View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #17101
    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    Sargon/Carl's come a long way, from simple youtuber, to advocate and serious public speaker.
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  2. #17102
    Quote Originally Posted by Zelk View Post
    I've never blamed the eu for the government's actions? I criticised the attitude of a couple of posters on here and now you've all got upset and imagined my position on a government which I would actually quite gladly see ran out of parliament.
    Do you think it's fair to criticise the attitude of posters like this? The UK unilaterally decided to do something that affects all of us negatively. We begged them, we argued with them and we did everything legal we can do to talk them out of it, yet they unilaterally put this bullshit on all of us. And they unilaterally fail to bring this to an end in a timely fashion.

    You do not get to point fingers and accuse EU citizens of a bad attitude. You just don't. Point at your own Government. But don't act all surprised when the rest of the EU is full of people getting sick of this shitshow preventing us from doing business. Do you have an idea how many investments and business strategies involving UK assets or businesses are put on hold at the moment? We're in limbo as much as you are. And unlike you, we can't even do anything about it in the next elections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    dunno if its been posted yet, but:

    [video=youtu]beardy fash[/video]

    Sargon/Carl's come a long way, from simple youtuber, to advocate and serious public speaker.
    he's certainly simple

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    People blaming the EU while the UK was unable to form a consensus on anything and after granting olive branch after olive branch while their PM and brexit ministers often showed up empty handed to the negotiation table.

    The EU has spoiled the UK for too long so I at that people are right they should have treated the UK more evenly like the other members and this might not have never happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Do you think it's fair to criticise the attitude of posters like this? The UK unilaterally decided to do something that affects all of us negatively. We begged them, we argued with them and we did everything legal we can do to talk them out of it, yet they unilaterally put this bullshit on all of us. And they unilaterally fail to bring this to an end in a timely fashion.

    You do not get to point fingers and accuse EU citizens of a bad attitude. You just don't. Point at your own Government. But don't act all surprised when the rest of the EU is full of people getting sick of this shitshow preventing us from doing business. Do you have an idea how many investments and business strategies involving UK assets or businesses are on hold at the moment? We're in limbo as much as you are. And unlike you, we can't even do anything about it in the next elections.
    Why's it my fault that the UK government has acted in the way it has? I didn't vote for a fucking tory. I can throw the same back at you and blame all the ills of the European Union on you but I won't because that's ridiculous. You don't seem to realise that forcing the UK into a no deal brexit (by denying an extension which is the suggestion I was replying to) means the EU is also at fault.

  6. #17106
    The funny thing is, even May's deal wouldn't solve anything.

    It just delays all the painful and impossible decisions, so when the end of 2020 approaches all this shit could restart again.

    Meanwhile the UK would be out of the EU, have no say in any of its decisions, but still pay, still be (partially) subject to its jurisdiction, etc.

    What a bad joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelk View Post
    he's certainly simple
    oh thats a sweet burn. really thought of that one didn't you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acidbaron View Post
    People blaming the EU while the UK was unable to form a consensus on anything and after granting olive branch after olive branch while their PM and brexit ministers often showed up empty handed to the negotiation table.

    The EU has spoiled the UK for too long so I at that people are right they should have treated the UK more evenly like the other members and this might not have never happened.
    I mean, its so easy when you only take your outlook into account.
    Eu Good, Brexit Bad, Orange Man Bad!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    oh thats a sweet burn. really thought of that one didn't you

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    I mean, its so easy when you only take your outlook into account.
    It's not hard to make fun of a man who gets tired halfway through reading a 1000 word article and decides to guess what the rest says instead of reading it

  9. #17109
    Quote Originally Posted by Zelk View Post
    Why's it my fault that the UK government has acted in the way it has? I didn't vote for a fucking tory. I can throw the same back at you and blame all the ills of the European Union on you but I won't because that's ridiculous. You don't seem to realise that forcing the UK into a no deal brexit (by denying an extension which is the suggestion I was replying to) means the EU is also at fault.
    Nobody blamed you, did they? All they're saying is they're sick of the UK Government stalling what seems to be inevitable. And inevitably bad for us. If the UK wants to damage itself and us in the process, they should not dilly dally around and do it, so we can take the hit and know what's what.

    We do sympathize with every Briton who feels betrayed and cheated by their own Government, but ultimately, we cannot help you, can we? You're not our responsibility and beyond a few empty words on an internet forum, there is not much we can do for you.

    And the EU isn't "forcing" the UK into a no deal Brexit. The no deal Brexit is what the UK asked for. Read A50. All treaties cease to apply. If all you wanted was more exceptions, you should have asked for them. But surely you cannot blame the EU for the UK triggering A50. That's like me punching you in the face and then blaming you for my hand hurting afterwards. It's all backwards.

    The extensions that you get are not your right. You are not entitled to them. The one that you are already enjoying is due to the EU handing you an olive branch, being nice. Doing all the EU can to help you. But at some point the EU is really responsible to look out for the interests of its member states. Not yours. You are, by definition, not part of the EU for the sake of the withdrawal process. Don't look to the EU to fix your problems for you any longer. You need to stop this. The only party you can address regarding this is the UK Government and UK Parliament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    I mean, its so easy when you only take your outlook into account.
    Eu Good, Brexit Bad, Orange Man Bad!
    The UK wanted to get rid of EU influence. What you just posted? That's the UK without the EU's influence. I'm really, really not sure what your point is. This is what the Brexiteers wanted. The EU is just obliging the democratic wish of the UK electorate. As stupid as it may be.
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    I wish people would stop referring to the UK as if we voted almost unanimously to leave, and not as it were merely 52:48.

    It's a country where your chances of finding a leaver instead of a remainer are almost as likely as being able to accurately call the result of a coin flip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    oh thats a sweet burn. really thought of that one didn't you

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    I mean, its so easy when you only take your outlook into account.
    Eu Good, Brexit Bad, Orange Man Bad!
    I already went into depts why a hard brexit might be good long term for the political systems of both the EU and the UK. And how ecomically it is bad.

    So try harder when you attempt to put words in my mouth. Or at least bother to reply to what I wrote. Nowhere did I oversimplify it.

    But hey I bet your salty about something else but honestly I don't care for you to explain what you actually meant if that's your initial reply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Goblin View Post
    I wish people would stop referring to the UK as if we voted almost unanimously to leave, and not as it were merely 52:48.

    It's a country where your chances of finding a leaver instead of a remainer are almost as likely as being able to accurately call the result of a coin flip.
    We know you didn't vote unanimously to leave, but other countries can't really engage with the average citizen in these discussions. It is the UK government that represents the country, makes the decisions for the country, and ultimately are the people that other countries have to deal with. And the UK government has decided to leave. If your government is doing a shitty job of representing the people, that is REALLY unfortunate and is a huge problem... but there's very little that any of us can do about it unless we want to impose sanctions or the like to externally impose our will upon you. And that would be an absolute disaster in every possible way, it would legitimately be an unwarranted attack upon your sovereignty.

  13. #17113
    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Goblin View Post
    I wish people would stop referring to the UK as if we voted almost unanimously to leave, and not as it were merely 52:48.

    It's a country where your chances of finding a leaver instead of a remainer are almost as likely as being able to accurately call the result of a coin flip.
    Yes, we know that. Is you being against Brexit going to make it any better for my business dealing with British companies? Could you write us an excuse that we do not have customs delays because you're against Brexit? That would be awesome.

    In all seriousness, we are talking about countries here. Don't expect us to get you a legally watertight differentiated comment on every subset of people in the country. That would blow every post way out of proportion.

    As for the underlying sentiment that you don't like people talking about the UK in manner you don't like... think back to every single football match between Germany and England. Remember how your media talks about those football matches. Feels shit, doesn't it. Now, you have a lifetime of this, then we'll talk about how it's unfair to lump you together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Goblin View Post
    I wish people would stop referring to the UK as if we voted almost unanimously to leave, and not as it were merely 52:48.

    It's a country where your chances of finding a leaver instead of a remainer are almost as likely as being able to accurately call the result of a coin flip.
    The UK is being referred to as a collective entity in leaving because the ones that wants to remain are not in control of the British government, and thus the entire country is going to leave, unwilling remainers included.

    That there were a sizeable chunk of the electorate that did not vote for this doesn't matter much to the rest of us when that chunk is not dictating government policy.

  15. #17115
    Quote Originally Posted by Gully Man View Post
    Theresa needs to put her deal or no deal to a vote in parliament and that's the end of it. Stop all this fucking around. Brexit won, the house voted to trigger article 50 and the government have done what they can to get the best deal. You either take the deal or live with the consequences.
    What are the consequences, cancelled Brexit?

  16. #17116
    Quote Originally Posted by Dhrizzle View Post
    What are the consequences, cancelled Brexit?
    Oh no whatever shall we do against an army of uneducated white retirees. /s

    Quite a few of whom have literally died since the referendum.

    Delenda Est.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    Quite a few of whom have literally died since the referendum.

    Warning : Above post may contain snark and/or sarcasm. Try reparsing with the /s argument before replying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    It's not sanctions that are costing Putin votes, it's inane laws passed by Duma and rising of pension age right after election without immediate need to do so.
    You need economic growth to keep paying for the pensions, and for growth you need investments which there are none b/c of Russia's stupid strategy to try to take on The West. Russia will pay an even bigger price in the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vermented View Post
    You need economic growth to keep paying for the pensions, and for growth you need investments which there are none b/c of Russia's stupid strategy to try to take on The West.
    We don't need investments for growth because we can do investments ourselves. And we do.

    Really, that's the major part you seem to be getting wrong with sanctions. We don't need your money - we have plenty of them, our trade balance is positive for many years, our reserves are growing and can cover our entire debt - we needed technology and expertise that came with them.

    But if we can't get them then, fine, we can get this expertise on our own. We would prefer to just pay for it, but we can work ourselves too.

    Russia will pay an even bigger price in the end.
    And so will EU.

    Because they concentrated most money on state level. That's where many Russian giant companies are.

    You see that despite that - it's right there in the title - GDP is growing. Yes, this particular bump is "one-off" mega-project - but there are several more mega-projects in the works...

  20. #17120
    Quote Originally Posted by Zelk View Post
    Why's it my fault that the UK government has acted in the way it has? I didn't vote for a fucking tory. I can throw the same back at you and blame all the ills of the European Union on you but I won't because that's ridiculous. You don't seem to realise that forcing the UK into a no deal brexit (by denying an extension which is the suggestion I was replying to) means the EU is also at fault.
    What would the extension for be then? You are asking for the EU to grant what, an open ended extension in case somewhere along the line a consensus forms? There is no indication that this is happening and taking the time pressure away certainly is not going to help. If anything, the only chance for a consensus was at the cliff's edge; moving the cliff will just lead to more time being wasted on who will be the next Tory leader.

    You must realize that Brexit has for three years paused investment all over Europe. Both internally and externally so many companies have avoided investing here because of this uncertainty. These are jobs not created, lives not going forward. This is investment going elsewhere instead of coming to Europe and leaving us all in a worse position.

    Giving another extension, past three years of the UK negotiators acting largely in bad faith where we have come to the point that there are Tories discussing voting for the WA and then ignoring the treaty. There is no grounds for renegotiation when no one has any idea what would be acceptable by the House. We just cannot keep kicking the can down forever. I am sorry but at some point we must all cut our losses and go forward.
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