View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
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    11 11.96%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler to Baby Sloths View Post
    The President of the EU is recommended by the European Council (i.e. the heads of member states - for example you voted for Theresa May's voice on the Council) and voted on by the European Parliament (i.e. the people the you will be voting for next week). The nomination and confirmatory vote happens after the European Elections.
    Council and EP vote by majority, so it is perfect possible none of UK's candidates will become next President. in 2014 Cameron objected to Juncker, but as he and Orban (from Hungary) were the only ones, Juncker was nominated.

    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    ....

    You know that doesn't sound very democratic to me.
    nobody likes PM May, but she is still there (for some weeks) ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    What can you do if you don't like who is recommended? You just have to accept that?

    When is all this happening is it soon, surely not this Thursday? Are we just going to wake up on Friday and some new bod that nobody currently knows will appear on TV and say "hello eurochums, just to let you know I am your new great leader now bend the knee to my wishes for the next 5 years until my best mate takes over from me"

    You know that doesn't sound very democratic to me.
    If the representatives you elect next weekend do not approve, then they tell the commission to find another candidate.

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    Oh - Now that we have you Dribbles, would you care to explain the democratic process by which members of the House of Lords are elected? Or the mechanisms in place to remove them should their views stray from that of the populace? I mean there surely cannot be an undemocratic institution in place in the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gibblewink View Post
    Oh - Now that we have you Dribbles, would you care to explain the democratic process by which members of the House of Lords are elected? Or the mechanisms in place to remove them should their views stray from that of the populace? I mean there surely cannot be an undemocratic institution in place in the UK.
    Or how Theresa May became a democratically elected PM in 2016

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler to Baby Sloths View Post
    If the representatives you elect next weekend do not approve, then they tell the commission to find another candidate.
    Can I stand as a candidate? I'm not besties with the outgoing Juncker, will that be a problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibblewink View Post
    Oh - Now that we have you Dribbles, would you care to explain the democratic process by which members of the House of Lords are elected? Or the mechanisms in place to remove them should their views stray from that of the populace? I mean there surely cannot be an undemocratic institution in place in the UK.
    The Lords are advisory only, a group with centuries of life and political experience who offer opinions. Nothing more or less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler to Baby Sloths View Post
    If the representatives you elect next weekend do not approve, then they tell the commission to find another candidate.
    also means UK will have to lift their collective butts and vote next week or their influence is zilch. and btw: UK even in case of later Brexit will still be faced with the next President, as he/she is EU's representant to them.
    and Tories will vote PM and nominate the next President and do so without GE; they do not face any democracy until then. so what ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Can I stand as a candidate? I'm not besties with the outgoing Juncker, will that be a problem?
    Gain decades of experience dealing with international negotiations and policy decisions at the highest levels of government and yes, you could be selected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler to Baby Sloths View Post
    Gain decades of experience dealing with international negotiations and policy decisions at the highest levels of government and yes, you could be selected.
    Oh goodie I'll set to it straight away. Do you think my time on this board will count? I mean it probably has a population equal to Luxembourg where the existing great leader came from...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Do you think my time on this board will count?
    No. Indeed, when they come to read what you write here it may even count against you. It's probably best that you just stop. Accusations of being nazis might work for a low-level functionary such as Farage, but they are more than counter-productive for those with real responsibilities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Oh goodie I'll set to it straight away. Do you think my time on this board will count? I mean it probably has a population equal to Luxembourg where the existing great leader came from...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    I am not purporting to speak only for all British people but share the same view as 100's of millions of EU citizens continent wide. Please don't belittle that many people. Ask the ordinary impoverished Greek people, ask the debt ridden for life average Italian people, ask the EE nations/the Visegrad group, and so on what they really think of and those who hold the true power in the EU.

    This fallacy of EU unity as it falls apart before our eyes is quite ridiculous.

    And as for WW2 I'll give you an anecdote as to why a few mad men anointed somewhere in Europe will never succeed in ruling a continent.

    I lived in France for a few years on and off and I asked a now life long French friend why the English are only tolerated there rather than welcomed with open arms. His response was that it is hard to be 100% comfortable, even now, with countrymen whose ancestors participated in the 100 year war. That finished between England and France in 1453 ffs. The idea that, in comparison, recent events and those responsible for WW2 and their descendents will ever be totally forgiven in my lifetime, my children's lifetimes and my childrens childrens lifetime is total nonsense. Perhaps in 500 years as in my French/English example and memories fade through many generations we will tolerate each other once again.

    Just as an aside from all that perhaps you can help me out here. I hear rumours Juncker is on his way out as our EU President, is that true? Who is the new one, has that even been decided yet and by who? Will we find out before he or her addresses the continent from a podium as the anointed EU leader? Does anyone get to vote for the new President?

    I think it was the late great Tony Benn who once said that if ordinary people don't have the power to remove and elect their leader they don't live in a democracy.

    I am glad I do. Can you say the same eurochums?
    Your abit wrong, you and the french were concurrents up until the WW2, Napoleon, American War for Independance were either direct or proxy wars between france and the uk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuiking View Post
    Your abit wrong, you and the french were concurrents up until the WW2, Napoleon, American War for Independance were either direct or proxy wars between france and the uk.
    Your time line is a bit off on that, it's rather up until a while before WW1.

    Things started to change roughly after Bismarck died, and Willhelm II got put in charge, and the then unified Germany started adopting a much more aggressive foreign policy stance, especially the naval arms race with Britain that began at a time when the British view on things were essentially "have as many ships as the second and third strongest naval powers combined".

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    In previous years only people who really hated the EU bothered to vote in the European elections but this year is turning out to be a proxy for a 2nd referendum with leave and remain parties polling strongly whilst the main two flounder, with Lab falling behind the LDs and the Cons now polling worse than the Greens.

    https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/sta...78004161757184

    It will be very interesting to see what the turnout is this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    In previous years only people who really hated the EU bothered to vote in the European elections but this year is turning out to be a proxy for a 2nd referendum with leave and remain parties polling strongly whilst the main two flounder, with Lab falling behind the LDs and the Cons now polling worse than the Greens.

    https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/sta...78004161757184

    It will be very interesting to see what the turnout is this year.
    Not just for the UK, but for the whole of the EU. Brexit has rattled quite a few people and I wouldn't be surprised if voter turnout has increased after this election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    Most likely Frans Timmermans, worst possible person for this position if you ask me.
    Who? Never heard of the man, probably like 99/100 ordinary EU folk. How many on this board had heard of him prior to you mentioning him? Very odd isn't it for a supposed democracy. When will he stand up and introduce himself as the new head EU bossman to the ordinary joes like me who are expected to pay his extravagant salary, or we just get to hear of him through the grapevine? At the least it's just a bit rude that he can't be bothered prior to his appointment. Im not expecting an EU equivalent of "My fellow Americans" but a "wotcha eurochums" wouldn't go amiss. It is just uncivilised...

    Then tell me why May is still in power.
    Don't talk to me about living in a democracy, you're one of the few European nations that literally has the aristocracy in power.
    May is in place but not in power and she'll be gone by summer. Everyone in the UK is well aware of who the likely replacement will be and soon after his appointment he must face the electorate for confirmation, or not, of that.

    And at least eventually we get a say in that process and will have a good idea of the measure of the man, unlike the new EU nobody that nobody knows yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Who? Never heard of the man, probably like 99/100 ordinary EU folk. How many on this board had heard of him prior to you mentioning him? Very odd isn't it for a supposed democracy.
    You are mistaken a democracy for a mediacracy. In a democracy if you want to be informed you have to read, another thing low-iq brexiteers don't understand. In a mediacracy tv-stars become president...

    https://www.politico.eu/article/fran...ness-brussels/
    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-b...-idUSKCN1RF2QR
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    Looking forward to Thursday and casting my vote with the majority of my countrypeople for BREXIT and national sovereignty. Can't wait to see all the millennial bugman and soyboys on Friday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Software View Post
    You are mistaken a democracy for a mediacracy. In a democracy if you want to be informed you have to read, another thing low-iq brexiteers don't understand. In a mediacracy tv-stars become president...

    https://www.politico.eu/article/fran...ness-brussels/
    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-b...-idUSKCN1RF2QR
    Very low IQ post. A democracy is so popular among bugmen leftists like yourself precisely because it empowers the uninformed. It is why the more astute historical politicians have tried to remedy the tyranny of the masses via republicanism.

    As you demonstrated in your post, citing a fake news site (politico) fawning over an unelected far-left bureaucrat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lolpve View Post
    Looking forward to Thursday and casting my vote with the majority of my countrypeople for BREXIT and national sovereignty. Can't wait to see all the millennial bugman and soyboys on Friday.

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    Very low IQ post. A democracy is so popular among bugmen leftists like yourself precisely because it empowers the uninformed. It is why the more astute historical politicians have tried to remedy the tyranny of the masses via republicanism.

    As you demonstrated in your post, citing a fake news site (politico) fawning over an unelected far-left bureaucrat.
    You seem heavily triggered! Also congratulations for using almost all available right-wing incel cellar-dweller buzzwords in one post, but you forgot "cuck" ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by lolpve View Post
    Very low IQ post. A democracy is so popular among bugmen leftists like yourself precisely because it empowers the uninformed. It is why the more astute historical politicians have tried to remedy the tyranny of the masses via republicanism.

    As you demonstrated in your post, citing a fake news site (politico) fawning over an unelected far-left bureaucrat.
    So, republics aren't democracies? Are you sure you understand what you're talking about?

    One's how you decide who gets to rule. The other one is in what manner they get to rule. These two concepts are not mutually exclusive. See, this is what they mean with "you have to read..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by luckydevours View Post
    You seem heavily triggered! Also congratulations for using almost all available right-wing incel cellar-dweller buzzwords in one post, but you forgot "cuck" ...
    He also forgot to make any sense, tbh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    So, republics aren't democracies? Are you sure you understand what you're talking about?

    One's how you decide who gets to rule. The other one is in what manner they get to rule. These two concepts are not mutually exclusive. See, this is what they mean with "you have to read..."

    He also forgot to make any sense, tbh.
    I'd also like to point out the hilarity in all this Brits complaining about the EU being undemocratic when they're still a...what's the word....monarchy.
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