View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #17601
    Quote Originally Posted by crokka View Post
    Are you actually this stupid??. The outbreaks usually occor because the manufacturer doen't follow proceedure and guidelines for handling the food, not the way it's processed.

    Who said the we will be forced to buy Chlorinated Chicken?? You do realise U.S has other products other than chicken right??
    Chlorinated chicken as well as other "too strict health requirements needing to be removed" is what was in the trade deal proposed by the USA to the UK... There are detailed advises to the government out there from the major UK food industries which warned against the trade deal and the nefarious consequences on the local market as well as the public's health.

    The US isn't letting you choose what you buy or not in the trade deal they proposed. They literally told the UK "our way and no other way".

    Don't call other people thick when you're not informed enough yourself of what has already been thrown on the table.
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  2. #17602
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Mostly it's Russia. End of story.
    At least in the US, most of our misinformation is domestically produced. Russia may be adding to the pile, but we are the CHAMPIONS of misinformation.

    One of the interesting defenses of Trump revolves around the idea that: Americans produce SO MUCH misinformation, and are SO good at insulting each other, that how can anyone complain about the little bit extra that Russia - or any other country - is throwing in on top?

    And Israel does a LOT more interfering in our political discourse. Orders of magnitude more.


    If ever DO get around to cleaning up our political atmosphere - then removing Russian influence needs to be only a start.

  3. #17603
    Quote Originally Posted by Flarelaine View Post
    I've read it somewhere that Western European history is really just Charlemagne's empire trying to put itself back together. The EU is the best shot so far. If you look at it, it was founded by the countries whose land actually made that empire up.
    And that is just the Franks trying to rebuild* the Roman Empire (thus the name).

    *this does not necessarily mean that they wanted rule it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AeneasBK View Post
    Jesus you'll summon Shalcker and we'll be on page 900 before we get back to the topic
    You forgot to put an @ in front of his name.

  4. #17604
    Quote Originally Posted by crokka View Post
    Are you actually this stupid??. The outbreaks usually occor because the manufacturer doen't follow proceedure and guidelines for handling the food, not the way it's processed.

    Who said the we will be forced to buy Chlorinated Chicken?? You do realise U.S has other products other than chicken right??.

    Bunch of thick cunts.
    So, when Chaud finally decides to close General OT, this is going to make your life a better place is it?

  5. #17605
    Quote Originally Posted by Twdft View Post
    So she asks for the option least likely to get from the EU? No reason to extend longer than may 22nd if the UK doesn't say they will definately participate in the EU elections.
    Well, she needs it to fail so she can use the EU as a scapegoat one last time and blackmail parliament by threathening no deal.

  6. #17606
    Quote Originally Posted by Omega10 View Post
    At least in the US, most of our misinformation is domestically produced. Russia may be adding to the pile, but we are the CHAMPIONS of misinformation.
    Russia is very involved in Europe. We do not know the extent of it, yet. But it seems everytime some fucked up organisation pops up, Russia is behind it. See, while I detest misinformation from a domestic source, I react aggressively towards foreign forces manipulating the European ecosystem. This goes for the Russia as well as China or the US.
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  7. #17607
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    I have yet to meet someone who wants more immigration. Anywhere on this planet. The most I see is people tolerating immigration and making the best of it. But want?
    How about the SNP?
    They want more immigration from Europe (and the rest of the world) into Scottish highlands.
    They do not want to "exploit" them though, they simply need more people to keep their communties alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    Every nation exploits their own people though, that's how nations work.
    Not surprising that this is your view of the workings of nations.

  8. #17608
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Russia is very involved in Europe. We do not know the extent of it, yet. But it seems everytime some fucked up organisation pops up, Russia is behind it. See, while I detest misinformation from a domestic source, I react aggressively towards foreign forces manipulating the European ecosystem. This goes for the Russia as well as China or the US.

    Understood. I see that there is a fundamental difference between the US and EU. We have so much domestic misinformation that it would be tough for foreign sources to compete. Usually when a fucked up organization pops up here, it is domestic.

  9. #17609
    Quote Originally Posted by Noradin View Post
    How about the SNP?
    They want more immigration from Europe (and the rest of the world) into Scottish highlands.
    They do not want to "exploit" them though, they simply need more people to keep their communties alive.
    So what they want is more alive communities, but they don't look into immigration for the sake of immigration. That's my point. Whenever people say "X wants more immigration" they're kind of glossing over that country X wants to "fix a problem with immigration" and that usually means "controlled immigration of desired skillsets", which is way, way not what certain far-right groups imply when they pick up on these lines and say "Oh, so X wants to be the next caliphate".

    That's why I'm very sceptical of loose language like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega10 View Post
    Understood. I see that there is a fundamental difference between the US and EU. We have so much domestic misinformation that it would be tough for foreign sources to compete. Usually when a fucked up organization pops up here, it is domestic.
    I wouldn't be so sure of that. While capitalism leads to a lot of... strange things from a European point of view, they're essentially American and so... not as fucked up as you'd think by American standards. So, Trump really is just the culmination of what is going on in your culture and your society in general. But when you see how China submerses entire corporate networks in the US corporate landscape and the lobbies involved with it, you begin to wonder how much influence China actually has. Not speaking about the manipulation of voters, speaking more about direct influence on legislation.

    We'll see how this turns out, but if @Skroe is a representative example of a proper conservative in the US, the US will snap back so hard, China and Russia will rotate from the backlash.
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  10. #17610
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    So what they want is more alive communities, but they don't look into immigration for the sake of immigration. That's my point. Whenever people say "X wants more immigration" they're kind of glossing over that country X wants to "fix a problem with immigration" and that usually means "controlled immigration of desired skillsets", which is way, way not what certain far-right groups imply when they pick up on these lines and say "Oh, so X wants to be the next caliphate".

    That's why I'm very sceptical of loose language like that.
    No, they do not want to fix anything but a shortage of people, skillset does not matter.
    They truly desire immigration.

  11. #17611
    Quote Originally Posted by Noradin View Post
    Not surprising that this is your view of the workings of nations.
    If you consider what USSR did exploitation, then clearly there are no exceptions here.

  12. #17612
    Quote Originally Posted by Noradin View Post
    You forgot to put an @ in front of his name.
    No I genuinely didn't want to talk about bananas for 5 pages
    Quote Originally Posted by AeneasBK View Post
    Damnit hubcap, you are such a retard.
    Quote Originally Posted by mojusk View Post
    Oh, and stop being a "didn't do that in vanilla"-police. If we're doing something now that we didnt do back then, it's not because we had some sorta unwritten moral code back then, it's because we hadn't thought of it yet.

  13. #17613
    Aaand it's preview time! Preview you ask? Yes, preview of the near future. This is what you got your countrymen into, Brexiteers... good job!



    Totally working out for you guys, isn't it? Apparently, this dude needs that stuff for a dissertation, too. Pfft, who needs dissertations anyway, right? Just more experts and nobody needs those. Fuck education! Idiocracy ftw!
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  14. #17614
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Aaand it's preview time! Preview you ask? Yes, preview of the near future. This is what you got your countrymen into, Brexiteers... good job!

    Totally working out for you guys, isn't it? Apparently, this dude needs that stuff for a dissertation, too. Pfft, who needs dissertations anyway, right? Just more experts and nobody needs those. Fuck education! Idiocracy ftw!
    The penny is dropping in Germany on Brexit. Today’s @CDU & @CSU Euro-elections manifesto: “We respect the British decision to leave” and seek “good partnership, close cooperation & close trade relations” & want “to come to quick agreements even in a No Deal Brexit

    https://twitter.com/GregHands/status...59067997081600

    See there are some sensible Germans about. Hurry up eurochums with this agreement, there's some poor sod waiting to do his dissertation...

  15. #17615
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    The penny is dropping in Germany on Brexit. Today’s @CDU & @CSU Euro-elections manifesto: “We respect the British decision to leave” and seek “good partnership, close cooperation & close trade relations” & want “to come to quick agreements even in a No Deal Brexit

    https://twitter.com/GregHands/status...59067997081600

    See there are some sensible Germans about. Hurry up eurochums with this agreement, there's some poor sod waiting to do his dissertation...
    Nobody ever disputed what you're getting at. But what still doesn't seem to have found a functioning brain cell in your head is the idea that THE EU IS CALLING THE SHOTS.

    Or, in Tweets, because you apparently need short doses of input:

    https://twitter.com/faisalislam/stat...72801148076032

    Barnier in Dublin says that if the UK leaves EU without a deal, “we would not discuss anything with the UK until there is an agreement for Ireland & N Ireland, as well as for citizens rights and the financial settlement”.
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    in other news: UK is preparing for EU elections.
    aaaand: Barnier says EU would refuse trade talks with UK after no-deal unless backstop addressed

  17. #17617
    Quote Originally Posted by ranzino View Post
    To no one's surprise except Dribbles'.

    I think he must be the most blissful person on this planet. Yes, the clue is in the hidden meaning.
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  18. #17618
    I am wondering the timing of Barnier's comments. I guess the winds are blowing for no extension. Also taking not of further comments suggesting that if the UK does follow through with JRM's suggested kindergarden tactics if they have to send MEPs, the EU may likely just pull back from any negotiations.

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    Also, I am just amazed at all the content every time the EU says something that could be considered harsh. Do people really think the EU is required to agree on a deal with the UK? Sovereignty works both ways. Ultimately if we do end up under WTO terms, the EU can still largely export to the UK. Yes, there will be tariffs and delays but that is not insurmountable and our products will still be cheaper given the proximity. Meanwhile the UK's primary export is services, not goods. And services are not covered at all by the WTO. All the EU will give is some temporary permits until the local markets can absorb the demand.
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  19. #17619
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    The penny is dropping in Germany on Brexit. Today’s @CDU & @CSU Euro-elections manifesto: “We respect the British decision to leave” and seek “good partnership, close cooperation & close trade relations” & want “to come to quick agreements even in a No Deal Brexit

    https://twitter.com/GregHands/status...59067997081600

    See there are some sensible Germans about. Hurry up eurochums with this agreement, there's some poor sod waiting to do his dissertation...
    Are you sure your British? Because I was told that the British know the what lip service was and how political talk works.

    Also context has a liberal bias it seems,

  20. #17620
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    The penny is dropping in Germany on Brexit. Today’s @CDU & @CSU Euro-elections manifesto: “We respect the British decision to leave” and seek “good partnership, close cooperation & close trade relations” & want “to come to quick agreements even in a No Deal Brexit

    https://twitter.com/GregHands/status...59067997081600

    See there are some sensible Germans about. Hurry up eurochums with this agreement, there's some poor sod waiting to do his dissertation...
    The EU has been saying that they respect the decision to leave (no matter how idiotic it is) and that they want trading relations with the UK since Article 50 was announced. But the EU will want assurances on Citizens' Rights, the stability of the Irish border and the ability of Parliament to actually ratify anything put to them before starting trade negotiations.

    Taken together with what Barnier said in Dublin this afternoon, in essence the UK will be forced into signing the WA after leaving with no deal, if the UK wants a trade deal. Or the WA will become the basis for the trade deal.

    So the UK either signs the WA before the 12th April, or before trade deal talks begin. Either way, that agreement is being signed by the UK. The only way the UK can avoid signing it, is to not leave at all.


    In other news, the legal order for returning officers to prepare for EU elections and notify candidates of the "signing up" deadline of will be issued by the Cabinet on Wednesday, according to emails that were sent out today. With the issuing of that order, the UK is obliged by law to hold EU elections under the not-yet-repealed European Parliament (Representation) Act 2003, unless it leaves the EU before then.

    https://twitter.com/faisalislam/stat...13921798418432

    Oh, and Letwin-Cooper has passed through the Lords with only minimal amendments.
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