View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #17981
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Wasn't 30% vote share enough to put Theresa May in power? Cheers, you set a low bar....
    And another thing for the list of "things that dribbles doesn't understand"....."proportional representation voting". We are used to you showing your ignorance around here dribbles, but not usually with this frequency. Are you off your meds?
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  2. #17982
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    A sample size of 1000 is hardly adequate, especially if in conjunction it was taken in or around the LSE student union bar for example. It's a codswallop poll no more no less.
    A sample of 1,000 is technically more than adequate. However I would want to see a number of polls with similar results in order to be sure that this is not an outlier or anomaly and I would want to see a much higher majority for remain before proclaiming that remain would be certain to win if another referendum was held.

  3. #17983
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Desperate times for you remainers.
    Is this projection? I think this is projection.

  4. #17984
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    A sample of 1,000 is technically more than adequate. However I would want to see a number of polls with similar results in order to be sure that this is not an outlier or anomaly and I would want to see a much higher majority for remain before proclaiming that remain would be certain to win if another referendum was held.
    This really, ideally you want to see if other polls will replicate the result. Still if there is a series of polls that show a 15%+ margin of victory for Remain, then I think a referendum would for the first time be an actually comfortable option.
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  5. #17985
    Quote Originally Posted by Demolitia View Post
    Sure. The problem in the UK is that many people are not too happy about their livelihoods, communities and struggle a whole lot for such a rich country. I can understand 50% is pissed off and wants to kick in the balls all the remote powers that don't seem to improve their lifestyle. The EU took the blame, yet again.
    I guess the vast majority of norwegians don't worry as much about making ends meet, or their pensions, or healthcare so they get to be ore philosophical.
    You make it sound like the British are living a Charles Dickens fantasy. That's a ridiculous notion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    I support what the Brexit party stands for, why don't you?
    Ok, getting closer to an answer. What do they stand for?

    I'm not british.
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    I never said I was knowledge-able and I wouldn't even care if I was the least knowledge-able person and the biggest dumb-ass out of all 7.8 billion people on the planet.

  7. #17987
    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    Ok, getting closer to an answer. What do they stand for?

    I'm not british.
    Single-Issue party - they want a no-deal brexit, same as UKIP. The main difference is that Brexit members claim that they aren't racist, while UKIP members are happy to show that they are (like that piece of racist neo-nazi BNP shit that goes by the name of Sargon).


    In case anybody was wondering, Labour runs under the banner of the Party of European Socialists in European elections and will thus be campaigning on their manifesto.
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  8. #17988
    Quote Originally Posted by starplath View Post
    Charles Dickens was not a fantasy writer, the environments of his book reflect the reality of his era.

    The current divergence between rich and poor is actually much more pronounced than in Dickens time.
    Ok, so the poor live in third world country conditions, is that it?
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  9. #17989
    Quote Originally Posted by starplath View Post
    The most plausible explanation for this is that there are a small but significant % of voters who just don't trust pollsters and won't speak to them at all seeing them as another manifestation of authority. These people hold extreme anti-authoritarian opinions by the general standards of British society and did not vote until very recently, though they are not tied to party ideology strongly.
    Here is the thing. Unless the pollsters are incompetent, you will be seeing weighted result to account for observed effects that bias sampling.
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  10. #17990
    Quote Originally Posted by starplath View Post
    It is a lot more complicated than that. The polls mostly agreed with each other in 2015 and 2017 and got it spectacularly wrong. The outliers (at least in one direction) were actually correct.

    The most plausible explanation for this is that there are a small but significant % of voters who just don't trust pollsters and won't speak to them at all seeing them as another manifestation of authority. These people hold extreme anti-authoritarian opinions by the general standards of British society and did not vote until very recently, though they are not tied to party ideology strongly.

    In 2015 this group gave the Tories a better result than expected, probably because of its anti-immigrant policies. In 2017 this group caused Corbyn to get a much better result than had widely been predicted. This only makes sense in that these people reflexively vote against the establishment. This happens abroad also. It is nothing to do with actual policy: Trump is a plutocrat but managed to dupe these people into voting for him. Macron is essentially a Blairite centrist but styled himself as an anti-establishment rebel and also picked up this vote.

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    Charles Dickens was not a fantasy writer, the environments of his book reflect the reality of his era.

    The current divergence between rich and poor is actually much more pronounced than in Dickens time.
    Didn't help that Macron opponent was someone unpalatable to anyone in France with brain cells. Given how France using a tiered election system and does a runoff if no one gets above 50 percent.

  11. #17991
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Ok, so the poor live in third world country conditions, is that it?
    Not where im from tbh, but have you seen social housing in the UK slant? it makes you shiver like mad. it looks third world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    Ok, getting closer to an answer. What do they stand for?

    I'm not british.
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    I like how they have to bring in uncle toms to not come across racist.

    Not clicking bigot political youtube vids, would end up spending too much time removing the racist feeds youtube injects in your suggestions.

  14. #17994
    Quote Originally Posted by Fuiking View Post
    Not where im from tbh, but have you seen social housing in the UK slant? it makes you shiver like mad. it looks third world.
    It does everywhere. The UK doesn't have a monopoly on misery.
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  15. #17995
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    So pleased to be able to help. A minute or so video explains it for you. Feel free to donate...
    Ugh.....

    Absolutely ugh.

    In fairness, I've yet to view a political video message that hasn't elicited that response. But that was particularly awful.

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    And on to real news: trouble in NI last night. "Dissident republicans" firing on police. A journalist killed. Most "post-conflict" violence has been loyalist on loyalist, republican on republican. Is this the sign of things to come?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    And on to real news: trouble in NI last night. "Dissident republicans" firing on police. A journalist killed. Most "post-conflict" violence has been loyalist on loyalist, republican on republican. Is this the sign of things to come?
    All on the EU. If only they hadn't weaponised the Irish border during the Brexit negotiations. What did the EU expect?

  17. #17997
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    All on the EU. If only they hadn't weaponised the Irish border during the Brexit negotiations. What did the EU expect?
    How was the Irish border ever not going be an issue of "weaponised" proportions? Nothing to do with the EU or the UK. Just the logical outcome of the UK leaving the EU's institutions.

    In fairness, is it possible to draw a connection at this stage? I don't know. But this is a timely reminder of the appalling potential for violence in the region.

    But, hey, collateral damage right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    How was the Irish border ever not going be an issue of "weaponised" proportions? Nothing to do with the EU or the UK. Just the logical outcome of the UK leaving the EU's institutions.

    In fairness, is it possible to draw a connection at this stage? I don't know. But this is a timely reminder of the appalling potential for violence in the region.

    But, hey, collateral damage right?
    Remainers and the EU in collusion stirred up troubles in Ireland in an attempt to frustrate Brexit. No one on the Irish side or the British side were/are ever going to put up a hard border there. Remainers and the EU falsely claimed otherwise and lit the fuse under the Irish tinderbox with the inevitable results.

    Someone has blood on their hands and it's not the brexiteers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    All on the EU. If only they hadn't weaponised the Irish border during the Brexit negotiations. What did the EU expect?
    Unfortunate, then, that Pelosi has already said that any trade deal with the UK would be off the table if the Troubles started up again.

    Looks like that great trade deal you promised after Brexit ain't gonna happen while the Democrats are in power here, bub. We understand the EU's integrity is more important to Western interests than rural English fee fees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    All on the EU. If only they hadn't weaponised the Irish border during the Brexit negotiations. What did the EU expect?
    When did the EU vote to leave the UK?

    It is all on the UK. The UK voted to leave. The UK decided to make FoM the core issue. The UK refused to budge on its "red lines". The UK decided it didn't care about Ireland. The backstop was only put in there because the EU told the UK it had to care about peace in Ireland if it wanted a deal.

    The EU would have had no issues leaving the border open if May hadn't opened her stupid fucking mouth and said what Rees Mogg and Farage told her to say. This bullshit is entirely your mob's fault. Own it. Don't run away blaming the EU when you shit the bed.

    You're all the same. Loud mouth, but no trousers. Farage dropped everything when he won in 2016. Same day, he was in the USA with his head so far up Trump's backside he could have given him a colonoscopy. First whiff of a chance at a job with some responsibility, Johnson pulled out of the leadership race. May only got the job because she was the last Tory to remain standing when the music stopped and the game of musical chairs ended.

    Now the Americans have told the UK there is no chance of a trade deal if Irish Peace is even slightly affected. The EU has made itself perfectly clear that the UK will ratify the Withdrawal Agreement if it wants a trade deal (either before leaving, or after - doesn't particularly matter in the end).

    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    Unfortunate, then, that Pelosi has already said that any trade deal with the UK would be off the table if the Troubles started up again.

    Looks like that great trade deal you promised after Brexit ain't gonna happen while the Democrats are in power here, bub. We understand the EU's integrity is more important to Western interests than rural English fee fees.
    The EU restarted negotiations for a trade deal this week. Wouldn't it be poetic justice if the EU got a trade deal with the US before the UK did?

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