View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #18021
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flarelaine View Post
    Erm... who?
    A 'minor' youtuber who slowly but surely went from 'centre' to antiSJW, alt-right moron. He used to be somewhat nuanced but yeah...(he's not really a small channel but you know, understating things)

  2. #18022
    I am going to reiterate on something.

    Farcical alt-right media personas are a boon, not a bane to the parliament. They strip the alt-right of legitimacy in the eyes of soft eurosceptics. Unlike Americans, Europeans are generally not attracted to histrionics. Le Pen is a vastly greater danger because she struggles and works to give nativist populists legitimacy and her and others have largely succeeded in that. Nothing could please me more than forcing her and others of her ilk to stand together with a dude who makes his dog do Nazi salutes.

  3. #18023
    So, essentially you want Hitler to get into a position where he really could inflict damage so everyone can see him for what he is?

    Dangerous strategy. Last time we tried that, it really didn't work out all that well.
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  4. #18024
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    So, essentially you want Hitler to get into a position where he really could inflict damage so everyone can see him for what he is?

    Dangerous strategy. Last time we tried that, it really didn't work out all that well.
    Eh, they are not in a position to inflict damage. They can at most be a minority in parliament, a fractious minority that will not be able to stand united on the long term. And what I want is them to be as ridiculous as they can in front of everyone.

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    Economic downturn pushes people to the extremes. Not random figureheads, all those clowns do is channel their feelings.

    Mostly because they promise to solve their financial woes by demanding effort from everyone but their target demographic. If you are on the left, it is the wealthy middle class and business owners, if you are on the right its the leeching migrants.

    Both groups are really successful at it cause beyond listening to their anger and frustrations and even feeding more causes into it that suit that, regardless of how real it is or not. They offer aid, aid in the form of day to day necessities.

    Christian democrats are in my opinion at least in Europe the biggest culprit why the extremes are now becoming as large as they are, they constantly struggled with their identity and constantly swapped from centre-left to centre-right when it suited them electorally. And they flip flopped so often that they lost credibility with a large group of the population and i doubt they attract any young voters at this point.

    Bit off topic but considering Hitler was being brought into this.

  6. #18026
    Todays latest Yougov EU parliament voting intention polling

    Lab - 24%
    Con - 16%
    Brexit Party- 15%
    UKIP - 14%
    Lib Dem - 8%
    Green - 8%
    Change UK - 7%
    SNP/Plaid - 6%
    Other - 1%

    So in favour of Brexit 69%
    and in favour of Remain 31%

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1116981750083801088

    It's looking like a landslide for brexit eurochums. For me choices, choices. Farages guy or Sargon of Akkad MEP for the funsies.

    Hmmmm help me out here guys, it's a tricky one.

    (and please don't try and tell me lies that the great leader of the Labour party has finally seen the light and that him and they are for remain.)

  7. #18027
    Oh, I don't think they are for remain (well many of the MPs are) but they are also not batshit lunatics that intend to make a mess of the EP, so they are quite welcome. All in all that little melody about all Labour and Cons voters must be for Brexit because the parties don't want to revoke Art 50 is getting rather threadbare - any chance you could cook up a new fantasy over the holidays just to keep the amusement level above wet paint drying?

  8. #18028
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Todays latest Yougov EU parliament voting intention polling

    Lab - 24%
    Con - 16%
    Brexit Party- 15%
    UKIP - 14%
    Lib Dem - 8%
    Green - 8%
    Change UK - 7%
    SNP/Plaid - 6%
    Other - 1%

    So in favour of Brexit 69%
    and in favour of Remain 31%

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1116981750083801088

    It's looking like a landslide for brexit eurochums. For me choices, choices. Farages guy or Sargon of Akkad MEP for the funsies.

    Hmmmm help me out here guys, it's a tricky one.

    (and please don't try and tell me lies that the great leader of the Labour party has finally seen the light and that him and they are for remain.)
    Hmm. So lets think now. Everyone who is for Brexit....who are they going to vote for? For Labour, who are trying to water it down to the point where it isn't a proper Brexit (according to you)? For the Tories, that everyone that wants Brexit is accusing of selling out Brexit for the last three years?

    Nope. Everyone who still believes that Brexit absolutely has to happen is going to vote UKIP, or the new Brexit party. Which means you are barely hitting 30%. That looks to me like a very healthy lead for Remain. And the vote is nicely split between the two bat-shit crazy alternatives, so thanks for that.

    You've lost dribbles. The longer you keep hanging on to the fantasy that this is going to work out well for your hate the foreigners, fascist wet dream crazy vision of the future, the worse it is going to be when reality crashes home. Trust me, let it go now and you will feel so much better in the long run.

    And just to make this clear; in 2014 UKIP got 27% of the vote on their own. While Independence from Europe and the BNP got about 2.5% between them. Which suggests that you are polling at about the same level as you were back then. Which means that it won't be any worse for the EU than it is at the moment. About 30% useless morons that probably won't turn up for any votes. They've survived that for the past 5 years, I'm confident they will survive it for the next 5.
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  9. #18029
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Todays latest Yougov EU parliament voting intention polling

    Lab - 24%
    Con - 16%
    Brexit Party- 15%
    UKIP - 14%
    Lib Dem - 8%
    Green - 8%
    Change UK - 7%
    SNP/Plaid - 6%
    Other - 1%

    So in favour of Brexit 69%
    and in favour of Remain 31%

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1116981750083801088

    It's looking like a landslide for brexit eurochums. For me choices, choices. Farages guy or Sargon of Akkad MEP for the funsies.

    Hmmmm help me out here guys, it's a tricky one.

    (and please don't try and tell me lies that the great leader of the Labour party has finally seen the light and that him and they are for remain.)
    Given that the extremist brexitchums like Farage's lot and Sargon are only standing for Brexit Party and UKIP, that means they are in quite a significant minority.

    You are aware the EU elections aren't a "brexit referendum", aren't you?

  10. #18030
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Todays latest Yougov EU parliament voting intention polling

    Lab - 24%
    Con - 16%
    Brexit Party- 15%
    UKIP - 14%
    Lib Dem - 8%
    Green - 8%
    Change UK - 7%
    SNP/Plaid - 6%
    Other - 1%

    So in favour of Brexit 69%
    and in favour of Remain 31%

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1116981750083801088

    It's looking like a landslide for brexit eurochums. For me choices, choices. Farages guy or Sargon of Akkad MEP for the funsies.

    Hmmmm help me out here guys, it's a tricky one.

    (and please don't try and tell me lies that the great leader of the Labour party has finally seen the light and that him and they are for remain.)
    You read numbers like the devil reads the bible.

  11. #18031
    I am seeing 29% for Brexit, 29% for Remain and the rest for the main parties that have no idea what they want.

  12. #18032
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Todays latest Yougov EU parliament voting intention polling

    Lab - 24%
    Con - 16%
    Brexit Party- 15%
    UKIP - 14%
    Lib Dem - 8%
    Green - 8%
    Change UK - 7%
    SNP/Plaid - 6%
    Other - 1%
    I'm not sure. Basically, it's not that much different from the result of the 2014 EP election. Other than that the Tories have lost more of the popular vote. But, note: their loss is also benefitting non Brexit parties as it is BP / UKIP.

    If the election is meant (as Farage and others are claiming) to be a proxy 2nd referendum / the chance to reject utterly the EU, then 29% combined for the BP / UKIP really isn't looking that promising.

    It'll be interesting to see what the turnout is. Already established that younger Remain voters need to reject apathy and counter the grey Leave vote.

    From a different perspective, the interesting thing will be: how many BP / UKIP will come back to the Tories in a GE vote to stop Labour from winning. 'Coz, atm Corbyn's gonna be in no. 10.

    Nice to see so many options on the ballot paper, though.

  13. #18033
    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    I'm not sure. Basically, it's not that much different from the result of the 2014 EP election. Other than that the Tories have lost more of the popular vote. But, note: their loss is also benefitting non Brexit parties as it is BP / UKIP.
    Biggest difference from the 2014 election is that the idiot/racist vote is split between two parties, instead of consolidated under one choice = both parties will end up with less seats overall vs what they would have if combined.

    Sadly the same logic also works against the remain parties - if Lib Dems, Greens, Change and SNP combined into an anti Brexit coalition, they would have the highest overall % and the largest overall number of seats, vs the much smaller total number of seats they will receive as individual parties.

    Probably also useful to remember that MEPs are not always reflective of their party leadership - vast majority of Labour MEPs are very decent people (shout-out to Seb Dance), and the Conservatives also have quite a few good ones (like Richard Ashworth).

  14. #18034
    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    Hmm. So lets think now. Everyone who is for Brexit....who are they going to vote for? For Labour, who are trying to water it down to the point where it isn't a proper Brexit (according to you)? For the Tories, that everyone that wants Brexit is accusing of selling out Brexit for the last three years?

    Nope. Everyone who still believes that Brexit absolutely has to happen is going to vote UKIP, or the new Brexit party. Which means you are barely hitting 30%. That looks to me like a very healthy lead for Remain. And the vote is nicely split between the two bat-shit crazy alternatives, so thanks for that.

    You've lost dribbles. The longer you keep hanging on to the fantasy that this is going to work out well for your hate the foreigners, fascist wet dream crazy vision of the future, the worse it is going to be when reality crashes home. Trust me, let it go now and you will feel so much better in the long run.

    And just to make this clear; in 2014 UKIP got 27% of the vote on their own. While Independence from Europe and the BNP got about 2.5% between them. Which suggests that you are polling at about the same level as you were back then. Which means that it won't be any worse for the EU than it is at the moment. About 30% useless morons that probably won't turn up for any votes. They've survived that for the past 5 years, I'm confident they will survive it for the next 5.
    You are beginning to sound a little bit demented now, I hope you are not going to go off on one and start ranting like Slanty boy does. Everyone appears to be looking at the Brexit vote, flip it and look at remain. Who out of the parties will remainers vote for? Only the Lib Dems definitively stand for remain and less than 1 in 10 will vote for them. If to remain in the EU was such a popular idea, you would think the Lib Dems would be flying up the table. It's not though is it? Almost no one wants to stay in the EU. At what point are you going to accept you've lost and in the minority?

    Instead, if UKIP and the Brexit party were to combine they would top that table. And the Brexit party haven't even been formed for more than a few hours.

    Got to love and accept democracy in action.

  15. #18035
    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    Hmm. So lets think now.
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    Damnit hubcap, you are such a retard.
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  16. #18036
    Here is a cool idea. Make a United States of Europe. Brussels can be your DC and you can form an army so the real United States doesn’t have to keep thousands of troops and spend billions of dollars defending you.

  17. #18037
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Only the Lib Dems definitively stand for remain
    the Greens/Change UK/SNP don't stand for remain?

    majority of Labour MEPs and some Conservative MEPs don't stand for remain?

  18. #18038
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    You are beginning to sound a little bit demented now, I hope you are not going to go off on one and start ranting like Slanty boy does. Everyone appears to be looking at the Brexit vote, flip it and look at remain. Who out of the parties will remainers vote for? Only the Lib Dems definitively stand for remain and less than 1 in 10 will vote for them. If to remain in the EU was such a popular idea, you would think the Lib Dems would be flying up the table. It's not though is it? Almost no one wants to stay in the EU. At what point are you going to accept you've lost and in the minority?

    Instead, if UKIP and the Brexit party were to combine they would top that table. And the Brexit party haven't even been formed for more than a few hours.

    Got to love and accept democracy in action.
    You are getting pretty much the same proportion of the vote as you did in 2014. Except this time it's split. Which means under this form of PR your Brexit outlier nutjobs will probably end up with fewer seats than they got in 2014. The EU coped with them being stupid and bad at their job for the last 5 years. No reason to suppose that given 5 years of practice they can't do a better job of stopping them eating crayons for the next 5.

    Feel free to keep rubbing yourself up against Brexit, but at some point you are going to have to realise that what you're experiencing is necrophilia.
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  19. #18039
    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzeeyooo View Post
    Biggest difference from the 2014 election is that the idiot/racist vote is split between two parties, instead of consolidated under one choice = both parties will end up with less seats overall vs what they would have if combined.
    Yep, sure - so it's the D'Hondt method isn't it? So, if that poll of the popular vote is accurate does anyone know what the allocation of seats would be?

    ...

    Answering this myself:







    So…

    UKIP / Brexit Party would actually end up with less seats (21) than UKIP won in 2014 (24)?

    Is that right?

  20. #18040
    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    So…

    UKIP / Brexit Party would actually end up with less seats (21) than UKIP won in 2014 (24)?

    Is that right?
    That looks about right to me. I'm expecting dribbles to come back any second and explain how that's a democratic mandate for them to remove the third finger of every fifteenth person, and that Brussels will be under control of Basil Brush within the week as a result.

    I've just made that up, of course. But it makes about as much sense as anything else he's been spouting for the past week. I honestly think he's fallen into despair at the failure of Brexit and he's trying to cover it up with manic optimism.
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