View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #18021
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Todays latest Yougov EU parliament voting intention polling

    Lab - 24%
    Con - 16%
    Brexit Party- 15%
    UKIP - 14%
    Lib Dem - 8%
    Green - 8%
    Change UK - 7%
    SNP/Plaid - 6%
    Other - 1%

    So in favour of Brexit 69%
    and in favour of Remain 31%

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1116981750083801088

    It's looking like a landslide for brexit eurochums. For me choices, choices. Farages guy or Sargon of Akkad MEP for the funsies.

    Hmmmm help me out here guys, it's a tricky one.

    (and please don't try and tell me lies that the great leader of the Labour party has finally seen the light and that him and they are for remain.)
    You read numbers like the devil reads the bible.

  2. #18022
    I am seeing 29% for Brexit, 29% for Remain and the rest for the main parties that have no idea what they want.

  3. #18023
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Todays latest Yougov EU parliament voting intention polling

    Lab - 24%
    Con - 16%
    Brexit Party- 15%
    UKIP - 14%
    Lib Dem - 8%
    Green - 8%
    Change UK - 7%
    SNP/Plaid - 6%
    Other - 1%
    I'm not sure. Basically, it's not that much different from the result of the 2014 EP election. Other than that the Tories have lost more of the popular vote. But, note: their loss is also benefitting non Brexit parties as it is BP / UKIP.

    If the election is meant (as Farage and others are claiming) to be a proxy 2nd referendum / the chance to reject utterly the EU, then 29% combined for the BP / UKIP really isn't looking that promising.

    It'll be interesting to see what the turnout is. Already established that younger Remain voters need to reject apathy and counter the grey Leave vote.

    From a different perspective, the interesting thing will be: how many BP / UKIP will come back to the Tories in a GE vote to stop Labour from winning. 'Coz, atm Corbyn's gonna be in no. 10.

    Nice to see so many options on the ballot paper, though.

  4. #18024
    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    I'm not sure. Basically, it's not that much different from the result of the 2014 EP election. Other than that the Tories have lost more of the popular vote. But, note: their loss is also benefitting non Brexit parties as it is BP / UKIP.
    Biggest difference from the 2014 election is that the idiot/racist vote is split between two parties, instead of consolidated under one choice = both parties will end up with less seats overall vs what they would have if combined.

    Sadly the same logic also works against the remain parties - if Lib Dems, Greens, Change and SNP combined into an anti Brexit coalition, they would have the highest overall % and the largest overall number of seats, vs the much smaller total number of seats they will receive as individual parties.

    Probably also useful to remember that MEPs are not always reflective of their party leadership - vast majority of Labour MEPs are very decent people (shout-out to Seb Dance), and the Conservatives also have quite a few good ones (like Richard Ashworth).

  5. #18025
    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    Hmm. So lets think now. Everyone who is for Brexit....who are they going to vote for? For Labour, who are trying to water it down to the point where it isn't a proper Brexit (according to you)? For the Tories, that everyone that wants Brexit is accusing of selling out Brexit for the last three years?

    Nope. Everyone who still believes that Brexit absolutely has to happen is going to vote UKIP, or the new Brexit party. Which means you are barely hitting 30%. That looks to me like a very healthy lead for Remain. And the vote is nicely split between the two bat-shit crazy alternatives, so thanks for that.

    You've lost dribbles. The longer you keep hanging on to the fantasy that this is going to work out well for your hate the foreigners, fascist wet dream crazy vision of the future, the worse it is going to be when reality crashes home. Trust me, let it go now and you will feel so much better in the long run.

    And just to make this clear; in 2014 UKIP got 27% of the vote on their own. While Independence from Europe and the BNP got about 2.5% between them. Which suggests that you are polling at about the same level as you were back then. Which means that it won't be any worse for the EU than it is at the moment. About 30% useless morons that probably won't turn up for any votes. They've survived that for the past 5 years, I'm confident they will survive it for the next 5.
    You are beginning to sound a little bit demented now, I hope you are not going to go off on one and start ranting like Slanty boy does. Everyone appears to be looking at the Brexit vote, flip it and look at remain. Who out of the parties will remainers vote for? Only the Lib Dems definitively stand for remain and less than 1 in 10 will vote for them. If to remain in the EU was such a popular idea, you would think the Lib Dems would be flying up the table. It's not though is it? Almost no one wants to stay in the EU. At what point are you going to accept you've lost and in the minority?

    Instead, if UKIP and the Brexit party were to combine they would top that table. And the Brexit party haven't even been formed for more than a few hours.

    Got to love and accept democracy in action.

  6. #18026
    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    Hmm. So lets think now.
    Your confidence makes me incredibly uncomfortable. I really hope you're right
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    Damnit hubcap, you are such a retard.
    Quote Originally Posted by mojusk View Post
    Oh, and stop being a "didn't do that in vanilla"-police. If we're doing something now that we didnt do back then, it's not because we had some sorta unwritten moral code back then, it's because we hadn't thought of it yet.

  7. #18027
    Here is a cool idea. Make a United States of Europe. Brussels can be your DC and you can form an army so the real United States doesn’t have to keep thousands of troops and spend billions of dollars defending you.

  8. #18028
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Only the Lib Dems definitively stand for remain
    the Greens/Change UK/SNP don't stand for remain?

    majority of Labour MEPs and some Conservative MEPs don't stand for remain?

  9. #18029
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    You are beginning to sound a little bit demented now, I hope you are not going to go off on one and start ranting like Slanty boy does. Everyone appears to be looking at the Brexit vote, flip it and look at remain. Who out of the parties will remainers vote for? Only the Lib Dems definitively stand for remain and less than 1 in 10 will vote for them. If to remain in the EU was such a popular idea, you would think the Lib Dems would be flying up the table. It's not though is it? Almost no one wants to stay in the EU. At what point are you going to accept you've lost and in the minority?

    Instead, if UKIP and the Brexit party were to combine they would top that table. And the Brexit party haven't even been formed for more than a few hours.

    Got to love and accept democracy in action.
    You are getting pretty much the same proportion of the vote as you did in 2014. Except this time it's split. Which means under this form of PR your Brexit outlier nutjobs will probably end up with fewer seats than they got in 2014. The EU coped with them being stupid and bad at their job for the last 5 years. No reason to suppose that given 5 years of practice they can't do a better job of stopping them eating crayons for the next 5.

    Feel free to keep rubbing yourself up against Brexit, but at some point you are going to have to realise that what you're experiencing is necrophilia.
    When challenging a Kzin, a simple scream of rage is sufficient. You scream and you leap.

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    Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
    Brexophilia: The act of rubbing yourself against dead political ideas for sexual pleasure.

  10. #18030
    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzeeyooo View Post
    Biggest difference from the 2014 election is that the idiot/racist vote is split between two parties, instead of consolidated under one choice = both parties will end up with less seats overall vs what they would have if combined.
    Yep, sure - so it's the D'Hondt method isn't it? So, if that poll of the popular vote is accurate does anyone know what the allocation of seats would be?

    ...

    Answering this myself:







    So…

    UKIP / Brexit Party would actually end up with less seats (21) than UKIP won in 2014 (24)?

    Is that right?

  11. #18031
    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    So…

    UKIP / Brexit Party would actually end up with less seats (21) than UKIP won in 2014 (24)?

    Is that right?
    That looks about right to me. I'm expecting dribbles to come back any second and explain how that's a democratic mandate for them to remove the third finger of every fifteenth person, and that Brussels will be under control of Basil Brush within the week as a result.

    I've just made that up, of course. But it makes about as much sense as anything else he's been spouting for the past week. I honestly think he's fallen into despair at the failure of Brexit and he's trying to cover it up with manic optimism.
    When challenging a Kzin, a simple scream of rage is sufficient. You scream and you leap.

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    Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
    Brexophilia: The act of rubbing yourself against dead political ideas for sexual pleasure.

  12. #18032
    Hmmms

    https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/s...85961999732738

    But, ofc, I didn't take into account regions.

    Not sure now...

    Or

    https://twitter.com/Ricky_Slade/stat...03916724912128

    Not straightforward.

  13. #18033
    Quote Originally Posted by Vatrilian View Post
    Here is a cool idea. Make a United States of Europe. Brussels can be your DC and you can form an army so the real United States doesn’t have to keep thousands of troops and spend billions of dollars defending you.
    IMO, Luxembourg would be a perfect capital. And once we plop the buildings on it, it'll be filled to the brim, too... tiny ass country that it is.

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    Also, for the clowns that still don't get it... here's a picture, so they don't have to read so many words that would hurt their tiny brains...

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  14. #18034
    Quote Originally Posted by flathwathar View Post
    You do come across as rather a nasty and simple-minded troll.
    Presumably you will also be writing to the economist to complain about their nasty cartoon?

  15. #18035
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    IMO, Luxembourg would be a perfect capital. And once we plop the buildings on it, it'll be filled to the brim, too... tiny ass country that it is.

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    Also, for the clowns that still don't get it... here's a picture, so they don't have to read so many words that would hurt their tiny brains...
    And the scary thought is that the EU probably will be 'nice'...unless the UK royally screws up.

  16. #18036
    Quote Originally Posted by flathwathar View Post
    You do come across as rather a nasty and simple-minded troll.
    Takes one to catch one, I presume...
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  17. #18037
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Takes one to catch one, I presume...
    Flatwhathar comes across me as a dribbles burner account.
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  18. #18038
    Quote Originally Posted by Fuiking View Post
    Flatwhathar comes across me as a dribbles burner account.
    I'm almost certain these burners that get banned, come back, scream they voted remain, then attack every remain argument no matter how rational as "Reason why leavers voted brexit." and denying evidence of everything shown at them is Dribbles.

  19. #18039
    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    I'm almost certain these burners that get banned, come back, scream they voted remain, then attack every remain argument no matter how rational as "Reason why leavers voted brexit." and denying evidence of everything shown at them is Dribbles.
    Won't stop me from hitting him with things like this:

    https://news.sky.com/story/british-s...reeze-11692336

    The UK's second-biggest steel producer is seeking an urgent £100m‎ government loan after Theresa May's failure to pass a Brexit deal left it frozen out of an EU-wide carbon trading scheme.

    [...]

    The freezing out of British companies from this year's EU ETS allocation covers more than £2bn of emissions allowances, equating to 100m tonnes of carbon credits - with British Steel accounting for roughly 5% of the total.‎
    Those are the realities of his actions. Fuck his unicorns.
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  20. #18040
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47924023

    Basically to remain electable in the local and EU elections (If UK takes part) Labour needs to push for people's vote. (Watch Corbyn try to say he wants it but backs away because he won't get his brexit through and use it to oust May.)

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