View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #18081
    Quote Originally Posted by zealo View Post
    At least in Sweden, anything above about 3-4% isn't allowed to be sold outside of a state-run monopoly. Obviously, that isn't exactly an environment conductive to cheap alcohol.
    Yeah, when I was little and we visited family in Sweden or Finland, it was almost customary to bring alcohol from the duty free shop of the ferry to the host.
    “It’s majoritarian, the majority wins, it’s ruled by the majority for the majority – sod the minority. Whereas true democracy includes everybody’s opinion in society,” - Margaret Georgiadou, 2019 about Brexit referendum.

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  3. #18083
    Quote Originally Posted by Butler to Baby Sloths View Post
    Here's some questions for you to think about:

    What 17 million? How many of those voted to leave without a deal, when the Leave campaign stated that the UK would only leave AFTER negotiating a deal. Do you remember when the Leave campaign said they wouldn't even hand in notice to leave until they had a deal? What about the ones that believed Liam Fox, IDS and David Davies when they said they would have a deal signed and sealed before Leaving Day?

    Why do you think there is an ever-growing list of multi-national corporations that have either left, or are leaving the UK?

    Why do you think all those manufacturers coincidentally decided to announce they were moving operations overseas after it became clear that a deal will never be struck and the UK will be in permanent limbo between leaving and staying?

    Why does British Steel need a 100M pound emergency loan from the government to cover the cost of buying emissions credits?

    Why have prominent (mostly Brexiteer) MPs been moving their money out of the UK to the EU?

    British scientists have been effectively excluded from bidding for EU grants for the last year and a half, as they would be due to start in 2020/21.

    The lies and financial rule breaking by the Leave campaign have been confirmed in court and they admitted guilt to it.

    The UK has a parliament that doesn't know what it wants (it just doesn't want a no-deal brexit and is prepared to legislate against the government to force its hand). It has a government that has no control over its party members, and cabinet members that contradict the PM in public and vote against the orders of a 3 line whip.

    Nobody is investing in the UK because nobody wants to invest in an unknown quantity. Tell me how much it will cost to import 12000 tonnes of aluminium to the UK in 2022 to build aircraft fuselages or car engines. What are the rules about work visas going to be in 2 years time?

    What will happen to the City of London when companies like Lloyds lose their license to trade in the EU, when EU members entice the firms with access to the EU? Where will the government's budget come from?
    .
    As a remainer I almost want to cry when I hear remainers talking this.

    These are terrible, awful arguments. If somebody had been whispering this stuff to me the day of the vote I'm not sure how I'd have voted.

    You need to stop parroting the ghasty, useless counter-productive strategy of the actual remain campaign. Without that campaign remain would have won easily.

    You people need to get this into your skulls: NO ONE, BUT NO ONE GIVES A FUCK ABOUT THE BANKS LEAVING. At best people don't care, at worst they actively loathe the banks. Stop tying your argument to a group of people which everyone fucking hates. You might as well point to the fact that immigrant child molesters are leaving.

    More generally most people don't care about the wider health of the economy, because a healthy economy has not benefited most people in the slightest, it has all gone to the top.

    Do you seriously think any one blathering on about thousands of tonnes of aluminum is going to change people's minds?

    You need to reframe your argument so that EU membership means something to ordinary people's lives.
    Last edited by kantlant; 2019-04-16 at 12:21 AM.

  4. #18084
    Quote Originally Posted by kantlant View Post
    You need to reframe your argument so that EU membership means something to ordinary people's lives.
    How about:

    Less doctors and nursing staff in surgeries and hospitals -> longer waiting times for both GPs and hospital beds (20% of medical staff in London hospitals were from the EU and the nationwide average was 5% before 2016, by 2021 there will be over 50k vacancies).
    Less people to harvest food -> less food available and it thus becomes more expensive (primarily done by eastern european seasonal workers).
    Less farm subsidies -> food more expensive and less of it (provided by the EU)
    Less teaching staff in schools and universities -> more students per teacher -> lower quality education
    Wealth gap increases as living costs rise and living standards decrease

  5. #18085
    Quote Originally Posted by kantlant View Post
    As a remainer...
    Does anyone else automatically assume that burner accounts claiming to be remainers are either leavers or non-Brits stirring the pot?

  6. #18086
    Just to make sure nobody dreams of unicorns tonight:

    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...1&guccounter=1

    Nancy Pelosi Warns 'No Chance Whatsoever' Of US-UK Trade Deal If Brexit Harms Good Friday Agreement
    Another nail in the coffin of no-deal, Dribs. Tick, tock, baby. Is your clock late? What's going on, mate?
    “It’s majoritarian, the majority wins, it’s ruled by the majority for the majority – sod the minority. Whereas true democracy includes everybody’s opinion in society,” - Margaret Georgiadou, 2019 about Brexit referendum.

  7. #18087
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    If middle England ever voted commie Corbyn into power i'll eat my left testicle.
    Anyone is free to correct me, but the latest polls which i've casually stumbled upon, even YouGov which you seem to quote often are showing Labour having up to a 15% lead, 2x times as many votes as the next party, Tory.

    It appears as if the Brexit Party and UKIP are cannibalizing the Tory conservative votes, leaving the Leave-faction politically fractured. This wouldn't matter if the UK didnt use FPTP, but it does so...

    ... it seems very likely we're tumbling towards a BINO EU-vassal kinda situation.
    We are often struck down easily. However no matter how often beaten, we can't forget the joy we felt during the dispute. The pleasure of stretching our willpower. The pleasure of trying out our own strength. The pleasure of seeing a manifestation of real comradely emotions among friends. The pleasure of seeing the world clearly split into camps of foes and friends. The pleasure of seeing an improvement in our own personality. by Sakae Osugi

  8. #18088
    Quote Originally Posted by Up The Gary View Post
    Oh you mean all the scare mongering with "horror stories" that never happened or are still yet to happen?

    What has happened is the betrayal of 17 million+ people and growing... that's pretty fked up, I didn't vote either because I've never trusted UK government.
    "All the Horror Stories" Got news for you bro I'm on my last week in my job in the medicine sector of england and guess what want Naproxen 250mg GR Good luck with that our suppliers have had none for months, does your wife need HRT because guess what most women do after a certain age woooooops suppliers have had none of that for weeks and while ibruprofen 200mg is still in stock atm its running out quickly as for the 400mg version sorry bro ran out weeks ago no idea when more will be coming in and these are just a few of the very commonly used medications that have gone out of stock with no word on their return, THAT's just medicine.

    Before anyone says Hurrdurrr use other suppliers most pharmacies use other suppliers ALL of them have none of the stock...

  9. #18089
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Just to make sure nobody dreams of unicorns tonight:

    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...1&guccounter=1



    Another nail in the coffin of no-deal, Dribs. Tick, tock, baby. Is your clock late? What's going on, mate?
    Not unicorns at all matey, because of brexit...

    UK is found to be hottest investment destination despite Brexit - knocking the United States off the top spot for the first time in FIVE years

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...te-Brexit.html

    Quote Originally Posted by Riversong View Post
    "All the Horror Stories" Got news for you bro I'm on my last week in my job in the medicine sector of england and guess what want Naproxen 250mg GR Good luck with that our suppliers have had none for months, does your wife need HRT because guess what most women do after a certain age woooooops suppliers have had none of that for weeks and while ibruprofen 200mg is still in stock atm its running out quickly as for the 400mg version sorry bro ran out weeks ago no idea when more will be coming in and these are just a few of the very commonly used medications that have gone out of stock with no word on their return, THAT's just medicine.

    Before anyone says Hurrdurrr use other suppliers most pharmacies use other suppliers ALL of them have none of the stock...
    You still here, hanging around in the UK like a bad smell? Hurry up will you, can't have you still here to vote in the EU elections, Sargon has a job to do.

    But to be fair now you have told us why you always appear a little fraught on the forums in that you are missing your HRT tablets let me help you out.

    https://www.theindependentpharmacy.c...proxen-tablets

    Order before 4pm for delivery tomorrow, go on make the world a happier place get some right now ffs.

  10. #18090
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Not unicorns at all matey, because of brexit...

    UK is found to be hottest investment destination despite Brexit - knocking the United States off the top spot for the first time in FIVE years

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...te-Brexit.html



    You still here, hanging around in the UK like a bad smell? Hurry up will you, can't have you still here to vote in the EU elections, Sargon has a job to do.

    But to be fair now you have told us why you always appear a little fraught on the forums in that you are missing your HRT tablets let me help you out.

    https://www.theindependentpharmacy.c...proxen-tablets

    Order before 4pm for delivery tomorrow, go on make the world a happier place get some right now ffs.
    Awww is poor lil Dribs getting testy in his losing streak, I'm still a British citizen and I WILL still be voting just to to make life a misery even more for you pathetic Brexiteer's.

    I feel I touched a nerve with lil Dribs in lil England I'm genuinely howling right now.

  11. #18091
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Not unicorns at all matey, because of brexit...

    UK is found to be hottest investment destination despite Brexit - knocking the United States off the top spot for the first time in FIVE years

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...te-Brexit.html



    You still here, hanging around in the UK like a bad smell? Hurry up will you, can't have you still here to vote in the EU elections, Sargon has a job to do.

    But to be fair now you have told us why you always appear a little fraught on the forums in that you are missing your HRT tablets let me help you out.

    https://www.theindependentpharmacy.c...proxen-tablets

    Order before 4pm for delivery tomorrow, go on make the world a happier place get some right now ffs.
    Also from your link :
    https://www.theindependentpharmacy.c...k-price-update

  12. #18092
    Quote Originally Posted by Riversong View Post
    Awww is poor lil Dribs getting testy in his losing streak, I'm still a British citizen and I WILL still be voting just to to make life a misery even more for you pathetic Brexiteer's.

    I feel I touched a nerve with lil Dribs in lil England I'm genuinely howling right now.
    Get your HRT tablets, sort them hot flushes out and we'll chat tomorrow when you are in a better mood!

  13. #18093
    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...igh_desc=false

    Hmm, the UK is beneath not just the US but also China, the Netherlands, Germany and Brazil in FDI inflows.

  14. #18094
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Get your HRT tablets, sort them hot flushes out and we'll chat tomorrow when you are in a better mood!
    Nice deflection I'm still young I don't need them this sort of response just goes to show you know you are losing and you have no real comebacks from this, not that you had any to begin with.

  15. #18095
    Quote Originally Posted by ctd12345 View Post
    Which one of these are from you on Big Fat Carls discord?

    Must be r8 happy to see the UK might have him as a representative.
    This is what happens when Tory and Labour politicians betray the people who put them in power, but they are finished now. And it is worrying. What idiot will vote Conservative or Labour when not a word out of their mouths can you trust?

    People only have three choices in upcoming elections, one extreme clearly offering remain is the Lib Dems, the centre mainstream ground occupied by the Brexit party and the other extreme being UKIP.

    Tbh I cant make my mind up yet between UKIPs Sargon and Dankula with his nazi dog or go mainstream with Farages Brexit party. I suppose like most moderate sensible people I'll go with the majority and Farage in the end. But for now I sit on the fence...

    I wonder if the Lib Dems, the only clear remain party, will even break 10% of the vote such is the unpopularity of that?

    I doubt they'll do better with remain as their policy than the Sargon lot will with their extreme leave.

    Oh well, does that leave Nigel Farage for PM? Don't rule it out.

  16. #18096
    Quote Originally Posted by vantlamper View Post
    I'm not sure Dribbles can either lose or win. He's channeling Nigel Farage, that's his goal. By the limited standards of this goal he is doing quite well. I'm not sure anything else matters to his belief system. Brexiteers are an odd sort of creature, like plankton or turtles or something, rules which apply to others don't apply to them.
    I quite like that, but if I may correct a small detail I would say brexiteers are plankton and remainers are turtles. One is far more populous than the other...

  17. #18097
    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzeeyooo View Post
    Probably also useful to remember that MEPs are not always reflective of their party leadership - vast majority of Labour MEPs are very decent people (shout-out to Seb Dance), and the Conservatives also have quite a few good ones (like Richard Ashworth).
    Probably need to update this, as Richard Ashworth has just joined TIG, along with Julie Girling, one of his equally decent colleagues.

    Conservatives are actually going to get destroyed in these elections
    Last edited by Dizzeeyooo; 2019-04-16 at 03:03 PM.

  18. #18098
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    I quite like that, but if I may correct a small detail I would say brexiteers are plankton and remainers are turtles. One is far more populous than the other...
    I'd suggest that your analogy, in terms of actual numbers, is wildly and spectacularly inaccurate.

    A better analogy would be e.g.,

    Pet population of UK 2014

    Hamsters vs lizards. 50/50 split.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    Can you explain that logic?

    Every poll shows that Corbyn almost as good as certain is going to end up being Prime Minister,
    No they don't. He hasn't a cat in hell's chance.

    He had his best shot last time and still lost by over 50 seats. He will never be Prime Minister.

  20. #18100
    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Goblin View Post
    No they don't. He hasn't a cat in hell's chance.

    He had his best shot last time and still lost by over 50 seats. He will never be Prime Minister.
    Just to make clear that I'm not just making this up here is a news article discussing in same polls: Jeremy Corbyn ‘on course to be prime minister’ as third poll in two days shows collapse in Tory support | The Independent https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8869171.html

    And a bit of googling for recent GE polls should also show how massive Labour's lead is at the moment. UKIP and Brexit Party are cannibalizing the Tory voters.

    I personally have no horse in this race, I'd rather prefer a PM that would cancel Brexit, but a BINO is probably just as good if not better for the EU.
    We are often struck down easily. However no matter how often beaten, we can't forget the joy we felt during the dispute. The pleasure of stretching our willpower. The pleasure of trying out our own strength. The pleasure of seeing a manifestation of real comradely emotions among friends. The pleasure of seeing the world clearly split into camps of foes and friends. The pleasure of seeing an improvement in our own personality. by Sakae Osugi

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