View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #18101
    Quote Originally Posted by ranzino View Post
    ok, it begs the question what would happen if UK denies its citizens the vote late in may. would EU enforce it and order a ballot weeks later or what ?
    Well the government has already ordered the elections to be held. But if for arguments sake it doesn't happen. Simply put EU would consider it the UK deciding it was leaving at that point in time with no deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler to Baby Sloths View Post
    The UK government has already issued the order to hold elections in May. So long as the UK is in the EU on 23 May, it has to hold the elections under British law.
    ok, so far they do not play dumb and hope for brexit in 4 weeks time by doing nothing in preparation for elections. but at the same time EU could not really enforce it ?


    ah, i see: no EU elections means no deal brexit by default. and nobody is so brave and stirs that pot
    Last edited by ranzino; 2019-04-22 at 07:01 PM.

  3. #18103
    Quote Originally Posted by ranzino View Post
    ok, it begs the question what would happen if UK denies its citizens the vote late in may. would EU enforce it and order a ballot weeks later or what ?
    The EU couldn't enforce a vote. The EU would probably start a process to sanction the UK for breaking the treaty and not fulfilling its obligations. Such a procedure would most likely end in the UK losing its voice in the Council (and fines the UK wouldn't be interested in paying anyway).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ranzino View Post
    ok, so far they do not play dumb and hope for brexit in 4 weeks time by doing nothing in preparation for elections. but at the same time EU could not really enforce it ?


    ah, i see: no EU elections means no deal brexit by default. and nobody is so brave and stirs that pot
    EU elections and Brexit aren't necessarily connected other than that the elections put a time table on the Brexit schedule with a few dates to observe for certain consequences.

    The EU cannot arbitrarily decide when the UK leaves. As far as I remember, having skimmed the document, the EU is held to the October date. Only the UK can end the term early.
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  4. #18104
    So...

    What's happening in parliament this week? Anything juicy?

  5. #18105
    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    So...

    What's happening in parliament this week? Anything juicy?
    They're on vacation, aren't they? Since they don't have any pressing matters...
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  6. #18106
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    Quote Originally Posted by FluFF View Post
    How the hell is the EU forcing anything if your elementary school of a government can't even pass some simple votes that bring a solution ???

    Like stated you could very well have been out by 29 March but instead your government played a little kids game of '' we don't want May's deal but we also vote against No Deal and meanwhile we shoot down 8 different votes on how to get out of this pickle ''

    The whole reason why you are heading for EU elections is because of YOUR government and it's inability to decide anything about Brexit, the EU forced no extension upon you, the extension was asked by your PM, up to two times now.
    Oh I agree the current UK government is useless. But there are 2 sides. EU citizens voted to leave the EU, the EU should have enabled its citizens to do just that if it was in any shape or form democratic. It didn't and colluded with the UK government to stop Brexit. The EU is as much to blame for this mess as the UK government.

    And just as useless.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    The EU has no military nor a police. It can - by definition - not be an occupying force. If EU regulations are enforced, they are enforced by the member state and its executive/judiciary. In your case, the UK.

    Of course, that doesn't concern killers like you. You just want violence and death for people, right?
    It is in a colonialist way occupying and ruling a country against the wishes of those citizens. I understand why you empire building EU fanatics support that, but you are doomed to fail. Again.
    Brexiteers are the new remainers. To remain outside of the EU.

  7. #18107
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    They're on vacation, aren't they? Since they don't have any pressing matters...
    No - they're back in session tomorrow.

    edit...

    Look, I'll answer my own question in a Calamari styleee:

    <Corbyn and May continue to agree while, at the same time, claiming they disagree>

    <Tick tock goes Dribbles' clock>

    <Bercow shouts Mr Peter Bone a lot>

    <Boris Johnson is assaulted by an irate climate change protestor, who shaves the creamy-topped fucktard bald>
    Last edited by LeGin Tufnel; 2019-04-22 at 08:00 PM.

  8. #18108
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    It is in a colonialist way occupying and ruling a country against the wishes of those citizens. I understand why you empire building EU fanatics support that, but you are doomed to fail. Again.
    It's not. As a true British citizen that still dreams of the Empire, I'm surprised you forgot how much military the British Empire had deployed around the planet to keep the colonies in check. Why do you think you lost them all, because they didn't like the idea of driving on the left side of the road?

    Not that a bloodthirsty sociopath like you would care about history or what the real world looks like, as long as it burns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    No - they're back in session tomorrow.
    Ah, we'll see what goes on. My money is on fuckall. :P
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  9. #18109
    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    No - they're back in session tomorrow.
    Nothing, the conservative party civil war has now hit grassroot levels. Quite Frankly unless an election happens we might as well not even have a parliament until the party conferences are over.

  10. #18110
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Ah, we'll see what goes on. My money is on fuckall. :P
    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    Nothing, the conservative party civil war has now hit grassroot levels. Quite Frankly unless an election happens we might as well not even have a parliament until the party conferences are over.
    Yes - exactly. A mini mars bar to the person who can come up with the most ridiculous, yet surprisingly accurate prediction of how time will be constructively wasted.

    The Mail has already wasted a good chunk on Diane Abbott drinking a mojito
    Last edited by LeGin Tufnel; 2019-04-22 at 08:05 PM.

  11. #18111
    I have no idea, lol. Couldn't even begin to predict the madness in the HoC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    Yes - exactly. A mini mars bar to the person who can come up with the most ridiculous, yet surprisingly accurate prediction of how time will be constructively wasted.

    The Mail has already wasted a good chunk on Diane Abbott drinking a mojito
    OMG someone drunk an alcoholic drink on a train Stop the presses this never happens in the history of ever!

    At this point I wonder how historians will view the brexit era Britain. Outside of a list of what not to do.

  13. #18113
    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    OMG someone drunk an alcoholic drink on a train Stop the presses this never happens in the history of ever!

    At this point I wonder how historians will view the brexit era Britain. Outside of a list of what not to do.
    They will protray Britain as a victim. The first victim of an epidemic symptom for the modern information age. See, humanity has managed to get analphabetism all but eliminated in modern societies (of the west at least). But we've still got to learn to filter information and distinguish bullshit from important information. The UK is pioneering that in that they were one of the first to fall into the deep pit of unadulterated and unmitigated bullshit. They will be a lesson to everyone else on what the dangers are.

    A solution? I think we're far from it at this stage. And everyone is in danger.
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  14. #18114
    So you think they will make one more vote? If the first vote dont count why would the second? Why not make a third? Its people in power that force their way until they get what they want as always. Why even have a vote when there is no democracy

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    No - they're back in session tomorrow.

    edit...

    Look, I'll answer my own question in a Calamari styleee:

    <Corbyn and May continue to agree while, at the same time, claiming they disagree>

    <Tick tock goes Dribbles' clock>

    <Bercow shouts Mr Peter Bone a lot>

    <Boris Johnson is assaulted by an irate climate change protestor, who shaves the creamy-topped fucktard bald>
    Calamari style

    <Boris Johnson wins Tory leadership contest>

    <Puts to the commons as a vote of confidence to leave the EU with no deal>

    <Vote fails - General election called.>

    <Brexit party storms to power with Labour and Conservatives gone in electoral oblivion.>
    Brexiteers are the new remainers. To remain outside of the EU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    More than just noise, some would say an unstoppable force. This man is raising £50 a minute from UK voters to use against the EU and deliver democracy to the people, whilst the Tories are going bust...
    Right, so either you think Brexit won't happen for a long time and that's what you're cheering for with this stupidity or you actually have no clue what the October date means for Farage and his unstoppable force, and of course you are regardless of the former completely clueless how voting works in the EU parliament.
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  17. #18117
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    <Brexit party storms to power with Labour and Conservatives gone in electoral oblivion.>
    Debatable.

    GE now is a win for Labour.

  18. #18118
    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    Debatable.

    GE now is a win for Labour.
    I think it's cute that he thinks a party with the sole program item: "Leave the EU." is electable to run a country. I mean, even if they implement their thing on day 1, what is their plan for the remainder of the term? What was it, 4 or 5 years in the UK?

    Kinda demonstrates the colossal lack of a perspective this sociopath has.
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  19. #18119
    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    Debatable.

    GE now is a win for Labour.
    I don't see this happening to be honest as I would say that the prospect of a GE is at best slim.

    However the issue I see with Labour, in the event of a shock election being called, is that they have not gained any ground and at best you could say that they have stood still (some polls showing minor losses) whilst the Cons have seen pro-Brexit voters put their weight behind the pro-Brexit parties. Whilst this would in theory be enough to see a Corbyn government in No. 10 it is worth noting that in the event of a GE Lab would have to make their Brexit policy clear and they would have to pick a side to support which is likely to see some of their pro/anti-Brexit voters splinter off to other parties depending on which side they come down on.

    I think if an election was to be held the most likely outcome would be a hung parliament.

  20. #18120
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Calamari style

    <Boris Johnson wins Tory leadership contest>

    <Puts to the commons as a vote of confidence to leave the EU with no deal>

    <Vote fails - General election called.>

    <Brexit party storms to power with Labour and Conservatives gone in electoral oblivion.>
    Brexit party storms to power? Please, talk me through how your ~27% support translates to storming to power. I could do with a laugh. Seeing the grinding of your cognitive abilities in writing would be an insight for all of us on this thread.
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