View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #18401
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    And now how many times has Corbyn got to hint at it?
    For once, we agree with each other.

    Quote Originally Posted by ranzino View Post
    interesting times ahead in next week; will they just "agree to disagree" or what will come around ?
    With that pathetic EU election manifesto, Corbyn has established his position as "If May amends her deal (in a currently unspecified way that is acceptable to me) Labour will back her deal", so there's every chance that next week will see him lining up with May to try and deliver a Tory Brexit, over the wishes of his voters/MPs/MEPs.
    Last edited by Dizzeeyooo; 2019-04-30 at 11:14 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzeeyooo View Post
    ....


    With that pathetic EU election manifesto, Corbyn has established his position as "If May amends her deal (in a currently unspecified way that is acceptable to me) Labour will back her deal", so there's every chance that next week will see him lining up with May to try and deliver a Tory Brexit, over the wishes of his voters/MPs/MEPs.
    for sure he could try, but will enough MPs fall in line or gladly revolt against their glorious leader ?

  3. #18403
    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    No, I said they had nothing to offer in the EP election.

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    He's not suggesting that the EP election is anything other than a single issue election is he?

    Fuck me, really?

    Please explain why anyone would possibly vote for Labour in the forthcoming EP elections other than out of partisanship and tribalism.
    To represent workers interest in Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post

    No doubt burner will be back to tell me he doesn't actually want my vote.
    I am not actually the Labour party. I'm not even a member.

    Vote how you wish. However, if you expect any prospect of a more centrist Labour party in the future then you need to understand the left of the party is not very likely to go along with it, as it did in the Blair years, against a historical backdrop of backstabbing and desertion by the middle class when things didn't go their way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzeeyooo View Post

    With that pathetic EU election manifesto
    Once again, Jeremy Corbyn is the leader of the Labour Party. The Labour party is meant to represent the interests of labour. Not your hostility to Brexit.

    Corbyn's views accurately represent the view of workers on this issue, whether you or I like it or not.

    If you do not support the interests of workers, and place a higher priority on a binary anti-brexit position, then you should support another party, as you seem to be doing. However, you shouldn't express any surprise that the Labour party does not reflect your personal views.

    I just mention this because people like you seem to have enormous difficulty understanding what the point of Labour is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ranzino View Post
    for sure he could try, but will enough MPs fall in line or gladly revolt against their glorious leader ?
    They've been bitching, pissing and moaning about him for years, what would you call a "revolt"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cathwath View Post
    To represent workers interest in Europe.
    That would be the first labour oriented party in Europe actually doing something for workers in the past 50 years, I reckon. But you keep on believing...
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  5. #18405
    Quote Originally Posted by cathwath View Post
    Once again, Jeremy Corbyn is the leader of the Labour Party. The Labour party is meant to represent the interests of labour. Not your hostility to Brexit.

    Corbyn's views accurately represent the view of workers on this issue, whether you or I like it or not.
    Still waiting for you to explain how Labour helping to deliver a right wing Tory wet dream project is in the interests of workers.
    Last edited by Dizzeeyooo; 2019-05-01 at 06:56 AM.

  6. #18406
    Quote Originally Posted by cathwath View Post
    To represent workers interest in Europe.
    See @Dizzeeyooo's response above.

    The UK is, in theory, leaving the EU by the 31/10/19 at the latest.

    More likely, the UK will leave before May's self-imposed 30/06/19 deadline. I'm guessing as a result of MV4 passing with Labour support.

    This election is not about what Labour MEPs can accomplish in Europe as part of S&D for workers' rights. You are either deluding yourself or you are being entirely disingenuous.

  7. #18407
    Quote Originally Posted by cathwath View Post
    If you do not support the interests of workers, and place a higher priority on a binary anti-brexit position, then you should support another party, as you seem to be doing. However, you shouldn't express any surprise that the Labour party does not reflect your personal views.
    And if you support the rights and interests of workers, and believe that these will be harmed significantly by leaving the EU, opening the way to US-style "at-will" employment contracts and the expansion of zero-hour contracts to formerly salaried positions, the sale of the NHS to private companies at a devalued cost which will lead to higher costs for those seeking healthcare (like they did with the Royal Mail a few years ago and the train network 20-odd years ago) and the sacrifice of the social security safety net to reduce corporation tax and a lowered tax-bill for the rich? Who should you vote for then?

  8. #18408
    Quote Originally Posted by Butler to Baby Sloths View Post
    And if you support the rights and interests of workers, and believe that these will be harmed significantly by leaving the EU, opening the way to US-style "at-will" employment contracts and the expansion of zero-hour contracts to formerly salaried positions, the sale of the NHS to private companies at a devalued cost which will lead to higher costs for those seeking healthcare (like they did with the Royal Mail a few years ago and the train network 20-odd years ago) and the sacrifice of the social security safety net to reduce corporation tax and a lowered tax-bill for the rich? Who should you vote for then?
    How does leaving automatically opens way to US-style working conditions?

    Don't you need to have appropriate legislation passed first?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cathwath View Post

    They've been bitching, pissing and moaning about him for years, what would you call a "revolt"?
    as MPs they can vote his deal with May down. it is also a speculation even Labour support cannot offset the nays by Conservatives, so it would still fail.

  10. #18410
    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    See @Dizzeeyooo's response above.

    The UK is, in theory, leaving the EU by the 31/10/19 at the latest.

    More likely, the UK will leave before May's self-imposed 30/06/19 deadline. I'm guessing as a result of MV4 passing with Labour support.

    This election is not about what Labour MEPs can accomplish in Europe as part of S&D for workers' rights. You are either deluding yourself or you are being entirely disingenuous.
    I doubt Lab will support May's deal.

    There are suggestions that May will offer a customs union by another name but this is unlikely to sit well the Tory party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler to Baby Sloths View Post
    And if you support the rights and interests of workers, and believe that these will be harmed significantly by leaving the EU, opening the way to US-style "at-will" employment contracts and the expansion of zero-hour contracts to formerly salaried positions, the sale of the NHS to private companies at a devalued cost which will lead to higher costs for those seeking healthcare (like they did with the Royal Mail a few years ago and the train network 20-odd years ago) and the sacrifice of the social security safety net to reduce corporation tax and a lowered tax-bill for the rich? Who should you vote for then?
    If you believe all that then vote https://www.omrlp.com/
    Last edited by Pann; 2019-05-01 at 09:43 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    How does leaving automatically opens way to US-style working conditions?

    Don't you need to have appropriate legislation passed first?
    Give it time, there's a reason that Trump and his cronies are pro-brexit. (and it's not just to weaken the EU)

  12. #18412
    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzeeyooo View Post
    Still waiting for you to explain how Labour helping to deliver a right wing Tory wet dream project is in the interests of workers.
    If Labour wanted that then it would have supported May's deal in the first place.

    The interests of workers are not helped by Brexit, but nor is the status quo which is pricing many vulnerable unskilled workers out of the market and that's the part you people never seem to acknowledge. The EU is fundamentally a neo-liberal reactionary organization that needs substantial reform to stop exploiting its people and work in their collective interest.

    For this reason, while most socialists are ultimately pro-european, it is with very deep scepticism and ambivalence they approach the eu project.

    Is this really that difficult to understand? Socialists like some things about the EU and not others. Do you not understand there are very legitimate criticisms of the EU?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler to Baby Sloths View Post
    And if you support the rights and interests of workers, and believe that these will be harmed significantly by leaving the EU, opening the way to US-style "at-will" employment contracts and the expansion of zero-hour contracts to formerly salaried positions, the sale of the NHS to private companies at a devalued cost which will lead to higher costs for those seeking healthcare (like they did with the Royal Mail a few years ago and the train network 20-odd years ago) and the sacrifice of the social security safety net to reduce corporation tax and a lowered tax-bill for the rich? Who should you vote for then?
    Your post is unintentionally comic. Those things are happening already without Brexit, and the reason many people voted for Brexit in the first place in sheer frustration.

    I'd add that they wouldn't be happening if the Blairites had got behind Corbyn during the last general election instead of trying to stab him in the back every step of the way. That certainly cost the party a general election win.

    Ultimately the majority view on the left is pro-eu and opposed to a no-deal or any kind of market-based brexit. It is however not simply a blank cheque for the EU as it currently stands.
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  13. #18413
    I am shocked by this news!

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-48094266

    A UKIP candidate being a little bit racist... I never saw that one coming!

  14. #18414
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    If you believe all that then vote https://www.omrlp.com/
    Most of what he suggested is pretty much guaranteed.
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  15. #18415
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    I am shocked by this news!

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-48094266

    A UKIP candidate being a little bit racist... I never saw that one coming!
    Well in the whole "Nazi dog." video he was singing about gassing jews. The real reason he was in trouble, not some dog thing that people like to say is the reason. Which is why I wasn't shocked when he joined UKIP with Sargon


    Phil talking about Labour position with the vote, how Corbyn has fucked it up and basically it seems he's given up with Labour but will still vote for them mostly down to fptp and loyalty. (FPTP is not mentioned but in the end he's mentioned FPTP in other videos.)


  16. #18416
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    Up and up we go...

    BREX: 30% (+2)
    LAB: 21% (-1)
    CON: 13% (-)
    LDEM: 10% (+3)
    CHUK: 9% (-1)
    GRN: 9% (-1)
    UKIP: 4% (-1)

    via @Yougov, 29 - 30 Apr


    and now bring on that Peterborough by-election on June 6th...

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit...-brexit-party/

    Happy days.

  17. #18417
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Up and up we go...

    BREX: 30% (+2)
    LAB: 21% (-1)
    CON: 13% (-)
    LDEM: 10% (+3)
    CHUK: 9% (-1)
    GRN: 9% (-1)
    UKIP: 4% (-1)

    via @Yougov, 29 - 30 Apr


    and now bring on that Peterborough by-election on June 6th...

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit...-brexit-party/

    Happy days.
    It'll be interesting to see if the polls carry over into the election result.

    Love that headline "Nigel Farage says he’s too busy to become an MP in Peterborough by-election". Yeah... too busy... of course he is.

  18. #18418
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Love that headline "Nigel Farage says he’s too busy to become an MP in Peterborough by-election". Yeah... too busy... of course he is.
    Also possibly scared of losing again to a man dressed in a dolphin costume

  19. #18419
    Quote Originally Posted by Riversong View Post
    Little England being little england with skewed poll results.
    What do you think is skewed about the poll?

  20. #18420
    Quote Originally Posted by Riversong View Post
    Because they probably only questioned certain area's of people with certain backgrounds tbh you'd never get a completely accurate polling unless you make it mandatory for every single person in the UK to vote in that poll therefore a majority of these polls are skewed and will never give a true picture of what people really want.
    Did they? Looking through their data, they have a good spread of people from all over the country, political allegiance, leave/remain, gender and age groups as well from both ABC1 and C2DE social groups.

    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.ne...Trackers_w.pdf

    You do not need to poll every single person in order to get a true picture of public opinion and quite frankly there is nothing wrong or skewed with the poll.

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