View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #18561
    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    See @Dizzeeyooo's response above.

    The UK is, in theory, leaving the EU by the 31/10/19 at the latest.

    More likely, the UK will leave before May's self-imposed 30/06/19 deadline. I'm guessing as a result of MV4 passing with Labour support.

    This election is not about what Labour MEPs can accomplish in Europe as part of S&D for workers' rights. You are either deluding yourself or you are being entirely disingenuous.
    I doubt Lab will support May's deal.

    There are suggestions that May will offer a customs union by another name but this is unlikely to sit well the Tory party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler to Baby Sloths View Post
    And if you support the rights and interests of workers, and believe that these will be harmed significantly by leaving the EU, opening the way to US-style "at-will" employment contracts and the expansion of zero-hour contracts to formerly salaried positions, the sale of the NHS to private companies at a devalued cost which will lead to higher costs for those seeking healthcare (like they did with the Royal Mail a few years ago and the train network 20-odd years ago) and the sacrifice of the social security safety net to reduce corporation tax and a lowered tax-bill for the rich? Who should you vote for then?
    If you believe all that then vote https://www.omrlp.com/
    Last edited by Pann; 2019-05-01 at 09:43 AM.

  2. #18562
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    How does leaving automatically opens way to US-style working conditions?

    Don't you need to have appropriate legislation passed first?
    Give it time, there's a reason that Trump and his cronies are pro-brexit. (and it's not just to weaken the EU)

  3. #18563
    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzeeyooo View Post
    Still waiting for you to explain how Labour helping to deliver a right wing Tory wet dream project is in the interests of workers.
    If Labour wanted that then it would have supported May's deal in the first place.

    The interests of workers are not helped by Brexit, but nor is the status quo which is pricing many vulnerable unskilled workers out of the market and that's the part you people never seem to acknowledge. The EU is fundamentally a neo-liberal reactionary organization that needs substantial reform to stop exploiting its people and work in their collective interest.

    For this reason, while most socialists are ultimately pro-european, it is with very deep scepticism and ambivalence they approach the eu project.

    Is this really that difficult to understand? Socialists like some things about the EU and not others. Do you not understand there are very legitimate criticisms of the EU?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler to Baby Sloths View Post
    And if you support the rights and interests of workers, and believe that these will be harmed significantly by leaving the EU, opening the way to US-style "at-will" employment contracts and the expansion of zero-hour contracts to formerly salaried positions, the sale of the NHS to private companies at a devalued cost which will lead to higher costs for those seeking healthcare (like they did with the Royal Mail a few years ago and the train network 20-odd years ago) and the sacrifice of the social security safety net to reduce corporation tax and a lowered tax-bill for the rich? Who should you vote for then?
    Your post is unintentionally comic. Those things are happening already without Brexit, and the reason many people voted for Brexit in the first place in sheer frustration.

    I'd add that they wouldn't be happening if the Blairites had got behind Corbyn during the last general election instead of trying to stab him in the back every step of the way. That certainly cost the party a general election win.

    Ultimately the majority view on the left is pro-eu and opposed to a no-deal or any kind of market-based brexit. It is however not simply a blank cheque for the EU as it currently stands.
    Last edited by cathwath; 2019-05-01 at 10:17 AM.

  4. #18564
    I am shocked by this news!

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-48094266

    A UKIP candidate being a little bit racist... I never saw that one coming!

  5. #18565
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    If you believe all that then vote https://www.omrlp.com/
    Most of what he suggested is pretty much guaranteed.
    “It’s majoritarian, the majority wins, it’s ruled by the majority for the majority – sod the minority. Whereas true democracy includes everybody’s opinion in society,” - Margaret Georgiadou, 2019 about Brexit referendum.
    PSA: Being a volunteer is no excuse to make a shite job of it.

  6. #18566
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    I am shocked by this news!

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-48094266

    A UKIP candidate being a little bit racist... I never saw that one coming!
    Well in the whole "Nazi dog." video he was singing about gassing jews. The real reason he was in trouble, not some dog thing that people like to say is the reason. Which is why I wasn't shocked when he joined UKIP with Sargon


    Phil talking about Labour position with the vote, how Corbyn has fucked it up and basically it seems he's given up with Labour but will still vote for them mostly down to fptp and loyalty. (FPTP is not mentioned but in the end he's mentioned FPTP in other videos.)


  7. #18567
    Up and up we go...

    BREX: 30% (+2)
    LAB: 21% (-1)
    CON: 13% (-)
    LDEM: 10% (+3)
    CHUK: 9% (-1)
    GRN: 9% (-1)
    UKIP: 4% (-1)

    via @Yougov, 29 - 30 Apr


    and now bring on that Peterborough by-election on June 6th...

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit...-brexit-party/

    Happy days.

  8. #18568
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Up and up we go...

    BREX: 30% (+2)
    LAB: 21% (-1)
    CON: 13% (-)
    LDEM: 10% (+3)
    CHUK: 9% (-1)
    GRN: 9% (-1)
    UKIP: 4% (-1)

    via @Yougov, 29 - 30 Apr


    and now bring on that Peterborough by-election on June 6th...

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit...-brexit-party/

    Happy days.
    It'll be interesting to see if the polls carry over into the election result.

    Love that headline "Nigel Farage says he’s too busy to become an MP in Peterborough by-election". Yeah... too busy... of course he is.

  9. #18569
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Up and up we go...

    BREX: 30% (+2)
    LAB: 21% (-1)
    CON: 13% (-)
    LDEM: 10% (+3)
    CHUK: 9% (-1)
    GRN: 9% (-1)
    UKIP: 4% (-1)

    via @Yougov, 29 - 30 Apr


    and now bring on that Peterborough by-election on June 6th...

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit...-brexit-party/

    Happy days.
    Little England being little england with skewed poll results.

  10. #18570
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Love that headline "Nigel Farage says he’s too busy to become an MP in Peterborough by-election". Yeah... too busy... of course he is.
    Also possibly scared of losing again to a man dressed in a dolphin costume

  11. #18571
    Quote Originally Posted by Riversong View Post
    Little England being little england with skewed poll results.
    What do you think is skewed about the poll?

  12. #18572
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    What do you think is skewed about the poll?
    Because they probably only questioned certain area's of people with certain backgrounds tbh you'd never get a completely accurate polling unless you make it mandatory for every single person in the UK to vote in that poll therefore a majority of these polls are skewed and will never give a true picture of what people really want.

  13. #18573
    Quote Originally Posted by Riversong View Post
    Because they probably only questioned certain area's of people with certain backgrounds tbh you'd never get a completely accurate polling unless you make it mandatory for every single person in the UK to vote in that poll therefore a majority of these polls are skewed and will never give a true picture of what people really want.
    Did they? Looking through their data, they have a good spread of people from all over the country, political allegiance, leave/remain, gender and age groups as well from both ABC1 and C2DE social groups.

    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.ne...Trackers_w.pdf

    You do not need to poll every single person in order to get a true picture of public opinion and quite frankly there is nothing wrong or skewed with the poll.

  14. #18574
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Did they? Looking through their data, they have a good spread of people from all over the country, political allegiance, leave/remain, gender and age groups as well from both ABC1 and C2DE social groups.

    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.ne...Trackers_w.pdf

    You do not need to poll every single person in order to get a true picture of public opinion and quite frankly there is nothing wrong or skewed with the poll.
    Well whatever once farage wins he'll wiggle into his hole again and let the stupid country destroy themselves while he makes money off of their stupidity, he'll only come out once he finds another way to exploit you idiots again.

  15. #18575
    Quote Originally Posted by Riversong View Post
    Well whatever once farage wins he'll wiggle into his hole again and let the stupid country destroy themselves while he makes money off of their stupidity, he'll only come out once he finds another way to exploit you idiots again.
    I'm sorry what does this have to do with anything I have written? And what's with the "you idiots"?

  16. #18576
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    I'm sorry what does this have to do with anything I have written? And what's with the "you idiots"?
    Every idiot that has voted and still believes in farage even though time and time again he's lied and fled... I have no faith in a single soul who votes for that rat in that country and they deserve what they end up with.

  17. #18577
    Quote Originally Posted by Riversong View Post
    Every idiot that has voted and still believes in farage even though time and time again he's lied and fled... I have no faith in a single soul who votes for that rat in that country and they deserve what they end up with.
    Again, what does this have to with anything I've written? I simply commented on the validity of a poll, which you clearly did not understand, and now you're calling people idiots and ranting about Farage?!?

  18. #18578
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    and now you're calling people idiots and ranting about Farage?!?
    People that vote for Farage are either very badly misinformed or idiots, to be fair.

  19. #18579
    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzeeyooo View Post
    People that vote for Farage are either very badly misinformed or idiots, to be fair.
    Now I'm not sure if you're making an intelligent and nuanced argument that Farage does not sufficiently oppose globalism nor censorship to be a viable political force and that his presence is only splitting the Brexit majority vote, or if you're just another pro-EU millennial cretin.

  20. #18580
    Quote Originally Posted by lolpve View Post
    Now I'm not sure if you're making an intelligent and nuanced argument that Farage does not sufficiently oppose globalism nor censorship to be a viable political force and that his presence is only splitting the Brexit majority vote, or if you're just another pro-EU millennial cretin.
    Quote Originally Posted by lolpve View Post
    The EU is not a democracy. The commission is entirely unelected, the president is unelected
    One of the 28 is the Commission President, proposed by the European Council and elected by the European Parliament. The Council of the European Union then nominates the other 27 members of the Commission in agreement with the nominated President, and the 28 members as a single body are then subject to a vote of approval by the European Parliament.
    And here we have a Farage / UKIP voter to prove the point being made.
    Last edited by Dizzeeyooo; 2019-05-02 at 03:22 PM.

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