View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #18641
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    I think UKIP flirting with advice from Tommy Robinson, the Sargon guy and the chap with the Nazi dog is too much.
    So when you said
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    So much fun to be had in who might be off to the EU he's got my vote Def worth a brexit delay, bwahahhhaaahaaaahaaaa
    referring to Sargon standing as a UKIP MEP, you were lying?

    You don't want to see Sargon or Yaxley-Lennon as MEPs in the European Parliament?

    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    It might but really shouldn't surprise you if you are British that some people, such as myself, need to drive for almost an hour to come across anyone with a different skin colour.

    If I chose to, I could spend the rest of my life not meeting any. Many people who live here, but not I, do quite happily make that choice.
    And yet you are all so terrified of them.

    Last edited by Dizzeeyooo; 2019-05-05 at 12:39 AM.

  2. #18642
    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzeeyooo View Post
    So when you said

    referring to Sargon standing as a UKIP MEP, you were lying?

    You don't want to see Sargon or Yaxley-Lennon as MEPs in the European Parliament?
    You are quoting me before the very existence and miraculous formation of the Brexit party in the last few days and under such recent historical circumstances sure, without the re-incarnation of Farage and his party it would be fun to see them cause chaos in the EP. They would certainly be welcomed by their fellow kindred MEP spirits sent there by the Italian voters, Hungarians, Czechs and Poles amongst many others. Do you think they are a phenomenon of only the UK?

    But now moderate brexiteers, such as I, in a spirit of reconciliation have a new political force to coalesce around and unite the nation. Times are quickly changing and people move with them.

    And yet you are all so terrified of them.
    Who said we are terrified? Some love to live in a hotpot of cultures and are free to do so, but some do not. Both options are currently available in the UK.

    Nothing wrong with either choice. What's your point? What is wrong is removing that choice and forcing people into a society they do not desire. Ask the Germans how Merkel's come one come all policy to the world is working out for her. Oh don't bother, she is doomed as a leader only because of it.

    The sensible Germans have seen to that.

  3. #18643
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    You are quoting me before the very existence and miraculous formation of the Brexit party
    The party was announced on 20 January 2019
    The quote is you on the 12th April 2019 - did you still not think Farage's party was going anywhere 3 months after it was formed?

    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Who said we are terrified?
    Everything about that poster screams terrified.

    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Both options are currently available in the UK.
    If you already have the option to avoid all foreigners while the UK is a member of the EU, why are you so desperate to leave the EU in order to avoid foreigners?

    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    What is wrong is removing that choice and forcing people into a society they do not desire.
    And yet you support Brexit
    Last edited by Dizzeeyooo; 2019-05-05 at 02:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzeeyooo View Post


    And yet you are all so terrified of them.

    Seeing ads like that makes you question how anyone could seriously deny that Brexit wasn't a racist and xenophobic campaign.
    "If you are ever asking yourself 'Is Trump lying or is he stupid?', the answer is most likely C: All of the Above" - Seth Meyers

  5. #18645
    Quote Originally Posted by Zaydin View Post
    Seeing ads like that makes you question how anyone could seriously deny that Brexit wasn't a racist and xenophobic campaign.
    Especially when you see the Nazi propaganda that inspired the UKIP imagery.

    Last edited by Dizzeeyooo; 2019-05-05 at 02:17 AM.

  6. #18646
    I wish Brexit would hurry up and happen so I could see their faces when they get no more control of their borders than they already had.

    So basically, the upshot of these elections is that two years of miserable failure loses you votes? Well that's heartening I suppose...
    Last edited by Mormolyce; 2019-05-05 at 06:08 AM.
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    Look Batman really isn't an accurate source by any means
    Quote Originally Posted by Hooked View Post
    It is a fact, not just something I made up.

  7. #18647
    May has written a piece in The Mail on Sunday urging Corbyn to "put their differences aside" and do a Brexit deal.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eresa-May.html

    According to The Times May is willing to compromise on a customs union, goods alignment and workers' rights.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...bour-qdqf0qqfk

    It remains to be seen whether an agreement can be reached and whether it would be acceptable to the majority of Con and Lab MPs. However if an agreement is reached that tacks on a CU and goods alignment to the current WA, May and Corbyn will have managed to negotiate a deal that is fundamentally worse in every way than our current EU membership whilst at the same time letting down leave voters. Bonkers!

  8. #18648
    Quote Originally Posted by Zaydin View Post
    Seeing ads like that makes you question how anyone could seriously deny that Brexit wasn't a racist and xenophobic campaign.
    Oh it was totally run on racism and xenophobia, Just google "Brexit propaganda" and you will see all the disgusting imagery used during their campaign.

  9. #18649
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    May has written a piece in The Mail on Sunday urging Corbyn to "put their differences aside" and do a Brexit deal.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eresa-May.html

    According to The Times May is willing to compromise on a customs union, goods alignment and workers' rights.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...bour-qdqf0qqfk

    It remains to be seen whether an agreement can be reached and whether it would be acceptable to the majority of Con and Lab MPs. However if an agreement is reached that tacks on a CU and goods alignment to the current WA, May and Corbyn will have managed to negotiate a deal that is fundamentally worse in every way than our current EU membership whilst at the same time letting down leave voters. Bonkers!
    Thanks for the link. IMHO, May's speech is one of the worst speeches I've ever read from a professional politician. Since she made it to the PM position, I am assuming that when she was not totally beat up and burnt out she did much better. Reading her speech really drives home the idea that Britain is … not in a good place right now. Regardless of HOW Brexit ends.

    Oh it was totally run on racism and xenophobia, Just google "Brexit propaganda" and you will see all the disgusting imagery used during their campaign.
    Thanks for the tip.

    Yuck. Yeah the stuff they peddled was disgusting. The comments to May's speech kind of show why May really is between a rock and a hard place. So many angry posts, which also is very consistent with the type of disgusting and dishonest imagery that was used to sell Brexit in the first place.


    People in this thread have claimed that the rhetoric from Dribbles is not unique to him. In the comments to May's speech, I felt like I was reading multiple versions of Dribbles. This will not turn out well for Britain.

  10. #18650
    Quote Originally Posted by Omega10 View Post
    Since she made it to the PM position, I am assuming that when she was not totally beat up and burnt out she did much better.
    Sadly she became PM by being the last person standing at the time who wanted the job, not because of any outstanding personal traits.

  11. #18651
    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzeeyooo View Post
    Sadly she became PM by being the last person standing at the time who wanted the job, not because of any outstanding personal traits.
    I can believe that. She is paying a pretty big price for taking the job it seems.

    On the one hand she seems incompetent and almost clueless. On the other hand, there is no one that looks good when they are put in a no-win situation in a very public high visibility situation.

  12. #18652
    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzeeyooo View Post
    The quote is you on the 12th April 2019 - did you still not think Farage's party was going anywhere 3 months after it was formed?
    The party may have been conceived then but the foetus of it was not launched or born until 12th April. At which point I, amongst millions of others, switched from UKIP to the Brexit party.

    Everything about that poster screams terrified.
    Sometimes the truth is terrifying.

    If you already have the option to avoid all foreigners while the UK is a member of the EU, why are you so desperate to leave the EU in order to avoid foreigners?
    So that uncontrolled immigration can be controlled. See that poster as an example of the alternative. Are you attempting to be shocking by posting it? Millions of people don't have a problem with it, why do you? What exactly is wrong with it? Go on be specific man.

    And yet you support Brexit
    I support democratic choice of which the result was to leave. Do you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    May has written a piece in The Mail on Sunday urging Corbyn to "put their differences aside" and do a Brexit deal.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eresa-May.html

    According to The Times May is willing to compromise on a customs union, goods alignment and workers' rights.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...bour-qdqf0qqfk

    It remains to be seen whether an agreement can be reached and whether it would be acceptable to the majority of Con and Lab MPs. However if an agreement is reached that tacks on a CU and goods alignment to the current WA, May and Corbyn will have managed to negotiate a deal that is fundamentally worse in every way than our current EU membership whilst at the same time letting down leave voters. Bonkers!
    I don't think its about the differences between May and Corbyn but between Labour and Tory backbenchers. Even if the leaders are frit enough of the Brexit party to cobble together a deal to try to avoid EU elections at any cost, it still won't command the support of the parties and pass through with a majority the house of commons.

  13. #18653
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Are you attempting to be shocking by posting it?
    No, but the racist twat who was leading UKIP at the time of its creation sure was.

    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    The party may have been conceived then but the foetus of it was not launched or born until 12th April. At which point I, amongst millions of others, switched from UKIP to the Brexit party.
    Their European election launch was April 18th, so what happened on April 12th? Something noteable, or are you just getting your dates wrong in all the excitement.
    Last edited by Dizzeeyooo; 2019-05-05 at 11:25 AM.

  14. #18654
    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzeeyooo View Post
    No, but the racist twat who was leading UKIP at the time of its creation sure was.


    Their European election launch was April 18th, so what happened on April 12th? Something noteable, or are you just getting your dates wrong in all the excitement.
    Oh the racism card, I never saw that one coming, you are reflecting upon the colour of their skin? Ok, not being racist, I hadn't noticed that bit, telling that you did though. Is there something you have to admit to us?

    On reflection perhaps it would have been better to have used a picture like this to refer to uncontrolled immigration because of the EU. The message would have been the same and just as effective without handing ammunition to remainers who have a problem with brown people.


  15. #18655
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    The party may have been conceived then but the foetus of it was not launched or born until 12th April. At which point I, amongst millions of others, switched from UKIP to the Brexit party.
    So if Farage had not split from UKIP, you would have voted for Yaxley-Lennon or Sargon?

  16. #18656
    Quote Originally Posted by Butler to Baby Sloths View Post
    So if Farage had not split from UKIP, you would have voted for Yaxley-Lennon or Sargon?
    They would have been the only people offering a true brexit, so unfortunately yes. We all have a lot to thank Farage for in his decision to form the Brexit party.

    Remainers, brexiteers, one and all.

  17. #18657
    Quote Originally Posted by Zaydin View Post
    Seeing ads like that makes you question how anyone could seriously deny that Brexit wasn't a racist and xenophobic campaign.
    Disgusting as that poster is, it isn't really much to do with Brexit.

    First, Farage was completely sidelined during the Brexit campaign, to the extent that when one of the networks allowed him to speak in a debate for Leave the official leave campaign protested. Even Brexiteers mostly viewed him as an embarrassment.

    Second, the campaign didn't really focus on racism, it did mention immigration but it was very subtle by right-wing standards. It was dishonest, "350 million for the US" etc, but mostly focused on economics and sovereignity.

    Third I do question how much remainers are less racist than their right-wing counterparts. They might not want to close the borders, but I do wonder how much of that is down to the fact that it keeps the price of their m&s strawberries down when they are picked by Polish laborers on a pound an hour sleeping 12 to a room. Their interest in the subject seems to wane when you talk about things like exploitation of foreign workers where doing something about it isn't in their direct economic interest.

    Additionally, no one seemed to give a shit about our friends in the commonwealth - which virtually stopped while EU migration was thriving. I do believe we have a duty to those people after our ancestors messed up their countries.

  18. #18658
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Oh the racism card, I never saw that one coming, you are reflecting upon the colour of their skin? Ok, not being racist, I hadn't noticed that bit, telling that you did though. Is there something you have to admit to us?
    I'm reflecting on Nigel Farage.

    Do you find public spaces uncomfortable when people around you are speaking foreign languages? (Apart from your own ex-wife/ex-children, obviously).

    Quote Originally Posted by rathwathar View Post
    Disgusting as that poster is, it isn't really much to do with Brexit.

    First, Farage was completely sidelined during the Brexit campaign
    Following this logic, the Brexit Party does not have much to do with Brexit either.

    Quote Originally Posted by rathwathar View Post
    Additionally, no one seemed to give a shit about our friends in the commonwealth - which virtually stopped while EU migration was thriving. I do believe we have a duty to those people after our ancestors messed up their countries.
    Presumably "lets leave the EU so we can replace EU migrants with commonwealth migrants (and then hostile environment deport them once we don't need them)" didn't have quite the same ring to it.
    Last edited by Dizzeeyooo; 2019-05-05 at 12:03 PM.

  19. #18659
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Isn't that just local council elections? I mean, do people not vote on other issues than Brexit anymore in the UK? Like local roads, council tax, getting rid of those power outages, attracting more tourists... that kinda stuff.
    The way UK politics is broken the General Election is a tactical affair where we vote to keep the bastards we dislike the most out. If the bastards we tolerate in a GE piss us off we let them know by voting against them in a less important election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Oh the racism card, I never saw that one coming, you are reflecting upon the colour of their skin? Ok, not being racist, I hadn't noticed that bit, telling that you did though. Is there something you have to admit to us?

    On reflection perhaps it would have been better to have used a picture like this to refer to uncontrolled immigration because of the EU. The message would have been the same and just as effective without handing ammunition to remainers who have a problem with brown people.

    Boxing day sale queues at the Trafford Centre?

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    oh, it was so nice while it lasted, but it seems we are back with another series of groundhog days, as the negotiations are to be finished and nobody (read: not enough MPs to vote it through in Commons) will like the foreseeable results. so what will happen now ?

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