View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #18661
    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    Problem is september and october has all the party conferences so nothing gets done there too.
    I begin to understand why the EU granted a 6 months extension. They look incredibly good without being under threat of the British accidentally coming up with a brilliant idea that would require the EU to move an inch...
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  2. #18662
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    seems UK government's rhetoric is playing with fire: if the june vote goes wrong it is about time for decision between no deal or revocation, Liam Fox and Steve Barclay mused on different occasions.

    https://twitter.com/BrexitCentral/st...20331365801984 <<<< clip with Barclay

    "There will be an opportunity for MPs to decide, after the local elections, after the European elections, whether they want to vote for Brexit or not.

    MPs will need to look and see if they want to continue down a path that inexorably takes us to either the potential of revocation of article 50 or leaving without a deal, and ask if they think that’s the best course either democratically or economically for the UK. MPs will have to face that decision..."

    Liam Fox today


    damage control mode and excuses if brexit fails ? or ammunition for "no deal" to avoid revocation ?

  3. #18663
    Thornberry has stated that Lab will be voting against the withdrawal bill when May brings it back https://twitter.com/GuardianAnushka/...46541282467840 coupled with the DUP saying that they will not back it https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/stat...53459551428608 this must mean that the deal is dead and with the potential strong showing of the BP and the predicted embarrassment of the Cons in the EP elections it most likely means May's time as PM will be over too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Thornberry has stated that Lab will be voting against the withdrawal bill when May brings it back https://twitter.com/GuardianAnushka/...46541282467840 coupled with the DUP saying that they will not back it https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/stat...53459551428608 this must mean that the deal is dead and with the potential strong showing of the BP and the predicted embarrassment of the Cons in the EP elections it most likely means May's time as PM will be over too.
    This was the likely outcome for reasons already stated; the collapse of effective leadership in the Tory party means that there is absolutely no guarantee that whatever May agreed to wouldn't be reneged on by whoever succeeded her.

    We'll have to see what the response is after the EP elections - if her premiership is effectively over she has nothing to lose by canceling Article 50.
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  5. #18665
    Personally, I cannot wait to see the hard Brexiteers out on the streets getting stamped on when the UK revokes.

    I cannot wait.

    /sarcasm

    But, in all honesty, I don't really see where this is going to end other than in massive, massive strife.

  6. #18666
    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    Personally, I cannot wait to see the hard Brexiteers out on the streets getting stamped on when the UK revokes.

    I cannot wait.

    /sarcasm

    But, in all honesty, I don't really see where this is going to end other than in massive, massive strife.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    Personally, I cannot wait to see the hard Brexiteers out on the streets getting stamped on when the UK revokes.

    I cannot wait.

    /sarcasm

    But, in all honesty, I don't really see where this is going to end other than in massive, massive strife.
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  8. #18668
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Our bariatric scooters will block out the sun...
    All the better we'll remain in the shade.

  9. #18669
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    This was the likely outcome for reasons already stated; the collapse of effective leadership in the Tory party means that there is absolutely no guarantee that whatever May agreed to wouldn't be reneged on by whoever succeeded her.

    We'll have to see what the response is after the EP elections - if her premiership is effectively over she has nothing to lose by canceling Article 50.
    Your first point is a contributing factor, albeit a minor one, as to why cross-party negotiations are going nowhere but largely irrelevant when it comes to voting for the Withdrawal Agreement Bill. Once passed the Bill would become law and could not be revoked without a further act of Parliament.

    May revoking A50 because she has nothing to lose is for want of a better word - bonkers.
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  10. #18670
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Your first point is a contributing factor, albeit a minor one, as to why cross-party negotiations are going nowhere but largely irrelevant when it comes to voting for the Withdrawal Agreement Bill. Once passed the Act would become law and could not be revoked without a further act of Parliament.

    May revoking A50 because she has nothing to lose is for want of a better word - bonkers.
    Can she even do that unilaterally? Does it require no act of parliament?
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  11. #18671
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Can she even do that unilaterally? Does it require no act of parliament?
    The ECJ demands that a revocation is in line with the national requirements for such things, aka it must be constitutional (if one wants to use that word for the UK).
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  12. #18672
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    The ECJ demands that a revocation is in line with the national requirements for such things, aka it must be constitutional (if one wants to use that word for the UK).
    Which is why I am asking a British poster; what would it take for her to do that per UK law?
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  13. #18673
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Which is why I am asking a British poster; what would it take for her to do that per UK law?
    What you said, an Act of Parliament. Mostly, because it was an Act of Parliament to invoke A50 in the first place. But we'll see what the British have to say about that.
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  14. #18674
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Can she even do that unilaterally? Does it require no act of parliament?
    I am unsure of the legalities regarding A50 revocation, triggering A50 was passed with a vote in Parliament so I would guess that it is a safe assumption that it would require a vote to revoke it but British law is often complex and not altogether straight forward especially to layman. However I am sure that if May was to announce that she intended unilaterally revoke A50 the Tories would find a way to remove her as PM before her plane landed in Brussels.

  15. #18675
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Your first point is a contributing factor, albeit a minor one, as to why cross-party negotiations are going nowhere but largely irrelevant when it comes to voting for the Withdrawal Agreement Bill. Once passed the Bill would become law and could not be revoked without a further act of Parliament.

    May revoking A50 because she has nothing to lose is for want of a better word - bonkers.
    Why would it be bonkers?

  16. #18676
    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    Why would it be bonkers?
    Really? Are you being serious?

    You don't think a PM who not only has lost the backing the house but her own party deciding to essentially tear up the results of two democratic votes (the ref. and subsequent GE) and in the process riding roughshod over her party, the HoC and our political systems and laws because she is being ousted and therefore has nothing to lose is bonkers?

    Assuming it was even possible for this to happen it would destroy not only the Tory party but our democracy with it.

  17. #18677
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    deciding to essentially tear up the results of two democratic votes
    Lets examine that, shall we.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    the ref.
    If it was not advisory, the result would have been declared invalid already due to the actions of the leave side.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    and subsequent GE
    Where the Conservatives lost their majority, implying the public did not agree with the direction they were taking.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Assuming it was even possible for this to happen it would destroy not only the Tory party
    At this point, a good thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    but our democracy with it.
    And now you sound like Farage.

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  18. #18678
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Really? Are you being serious?

    You don't think a PM who not only has lost the backing the house but her own party deciding to essentially tear up the results of two democratic votes (the ref. and subsequent GE) and in the process riding roughshod over her party, the HoC and our political systems and laws because she is being ousted and therefore has nothing to lose is bonkers?

    Assuming it was even possible for this to happen it would destroy not only the Tory party but our democracy with it.
    The GE was not in support of Brexit don't fall into the myth that just because someone put an x to labour or Tory they're flag waiving anti europe. That will put you in the Dribbles camp of stupid. As for the the ref. can we also stop pretending that wasn't hyjacked and had one side confirmed to be cheating while the remain side stuck to the laws of the land? (Confirmed by court cased which the leave groups aren't even appealing)

  19. #18679
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Really? Are you being serious?

    You don't think a PM who not only has lost the backing the house but her own party deciding to essentially tear up the results of two democratic votes (the ref. and subsequent GE) and in the process riding roughshod over her party, the HoC and our political systems and laws because she is being ousted and therefore has nothing to lose is bonkers?

    Assuming it was even possible for this to happen it would destroy not only the Tory party but our democracy with it.
    If your democracy is fragile enough to be destroyed by a PM acting against an advisory referendum with an almost 50-50 split, then maybe it deserves to be destroyed, tbh.

  20. #18680
    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    The GE was not in support of Brexit don't fall into the myth that just because someone put an x to labour or Tory they're flag waiving anti europe. That will put you in the Dribbles camp of stupid. As for the the ref. can we also stop pretending that wasn't hyjacked and had one side confirmed to be cheating while the remain side stuck to the laws of the land? (Confirmed by court cased which the leave groups aren't even appealing)
    You've failed to address my point and unsurprisingly seem to have missed it altogether. But to address your little strawman, the Cons ran on a manifesto of delivering Brexit and were subsequently elected, Labour votes have absolutely nothing to do with it, and the ref, flawed as it was, returned the result to leave the EU, you whining that it was not fair over and over and over again and calling others stupid will not change this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiri View Post
    If your democracy is fragile enough to be destroyed by a PM acting against an advisory referendum with an almost 50-50 split, then maybe it deserves to be destroyed, tbh.
    Yeah, and perhaps afterwards we could do away with the title Prime Minister altogether and go with something like... Lady Protector?!?

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