View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #18681
    Quote Originally Posted by Xarkan View Post
    Where would the difficulty in a custom union be though

    Take the norway deal as a document, seach and replace norway with united kingdom, hit print, done

    Sure it gives a lot of bonus deals

    But they would get all that and not be in the EU, is that not what they want?
    There is no difficulty in a customs union on the side of the EU. However, the EU is well aware of the UK a) not knowing what they're doing, b) procastrinating the fuck out of this shitshow because of the previous point, and c) absolutely willing to abuse the goodwill of the EU for their own egoistical gain, going as far as destroying the EU if they could do it in the process.

    So yes, the EU would do wise to handle this as they have done so far, in an orderly fashion. First they get out, then we'll see what the situation is and what can be salvaged and then the UK can request a new arrangement, like any other third country would.

    Also, a customs union would immediately put any dreams of negotiating trade deals on their own into a deep grave. Despite what they probably believe right now, the UK cannot join the customs union and just go ahead and make trade deals on their own with whoever they want in whatever fashion they want.

    If that's done. What the hell was the point of Brexit in the first place? They always had control over their border, they are already in the customs union, they got to keep their precious money... so really Brexit is just about the UK giving up its vote in the most dramatic fashion conceivable, just to spite the EU?

    "I DETEST THESE PROCEEDINGS! I SHALL NOW LAY DOWN MY VOTE AND NEVER AGREE OR DISAGREE TO ANYTHING. Please let us stay, we dig your rules and want to continue being a member of everything, just really... it's the voting, it breaks our brains. We just can't do it."

    Is that it? :P
    Last edited by Slant; 2019-05-06 at 09:15 AM.
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  2. #18682
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-b...KCN1SC0OK?il=0

    So now May is realising that the People's Vote may not be avoidable after all.

  3. #18683
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-b...KCN1SC0OK?il=0

    So now May is realising that the People's Vote may not be avoidable after all.
    I'm not going to get my hopes up. They'll fuck it up somehow. Half-arse the campaign again or something... or not campaign in it at all, because that would mean taking a position. Imagine a Remain campaign that had no official backing other than the SNP and Libdems... And Tories and Labor both going "we'll see who wins first..."
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  4. #18684
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    I'm not going to get my hopes up. They'll fuck it up somehow. Half-arse the campaign again or something... or not campaign in it at all, because that would mean taking a position. Imagine a Remain campaign that had no official backing other than the SNP and Libdems... And Tories and Labor both going "we'll see who wins first..."
    I'd just feel greater moral clarity in not giving a shit about what happens to the UK after.

  5. #18685
    She's just stating the obvious in the knowledge that it will apply pressure to Leave-inclined waiverers on both sides to get behind her deal.

    I’m sure this is going to be the outcome: her deal (with token / fudgey amendments, stuff that can be unpicked in the future) will pass with Labour support.

    All we’re seeing is a desperate attempt by her and Corbyn to keep their parties intact, maintaining the two party system that is breaking this country. Corbyn thinks he can beat her but he can't and we'll just end up with endless Tory governments outside of the EU.

    Cheery, cheery.

  6. #18686
    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    She's just stating the obvious in the knowledge that it will apply pressure to Leave-inclined waiverers on both sides to get behind her deal.

    I’m sure this is going to be the outcome: her deal (with token / fudgey amendments, stuff that can be unpicked in the future) will pass with Labour support.

    All we’re seeing is a desperate attempt by her and Corbyn to keep their parties intact, maintaining the two party system that is breaking this country. Corbyn thinks he can beat her but he can't and we'll just end up with endless Tory governments outside of the EU.

    Cheery, cheery.
    I don't think she will get Labour support. They know full well that anything May is offering will be undone by whoever comes next, it is beyond obvious. Heck Tory Remainers know it as well.

  7. #18687
    Quote Originally Posted by Xarkan View Post
    Where would the difficulty in a custom union be though
    Doesn't fix the Irish Border, will require the same withdrawal agreement as exists today.

  8. #18688
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Honestly I only put someone on ignore if I believe that seeing their posts all the time may lead me to get infracted.
    I just don't see it as healthy, personally. It's what people do to create echo chambers or to essentially silence those they disagree with.

    It's even weirder on Twitter where people actually wear being ignored by someone as a badge of honour lol
    Often updated... ?

  9. #18689
    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    I just don't see it as healthy, personally. It's what people do to create echo chambers or to essentially silence those they disagree with.

    It's even weirder on Twitter where people actually wear being ignored by someone as a badge of honour lol
    I rarely ignore people, you really have to go far to make me ignore someone. However, i did ignore a fella a few months ago after he became too much of a defender of nasty regimes (North Korea defending eh? dafuq?)
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  10. #18690
    I've not seen the poll on which this article; https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top...main-1-6031751 is based but it is interesting in so much as although the leave vote is split over two options it the first poll (that I've seen) where specifically remain and no-deal have been polled and remain is the clear favourite.

    This may represent a shift in public opinion away from leaving the EU and, potentially, adds weight to the campaign for a 2nd ref.
    Last edited by Pann; 2019-05-06 at 04:25 PM.

  11. #18691
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    I've not seen the poll on which this article; https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top...main-1-6031751 is based but it is interesting in so much as although the leave vote is split over two options it the first poll (that I've seen) where specifically remain and no-deal have been polled and remain is the clear favourite.

    This may represent a shift in public opinion away from leaving the EU and, potentially, adds weight to the campaign for a 2nd ref.
    61% sounds like a safe margin

    I think it is this one:
    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.ne..._updated_w.pdf

    Edit: You know when I read those polls I wonder how many of the people who answer are just trolling, live in a cave or are brain damaged (probably the 1st). I mean look at this:https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.ne...t%20stance.pdf
    There is a 3% and 5% respectively that believe the Brexit Party and UKIP to be anti-brexit and a 16% and 21% who don't know.
    Last edited by Nymrohd; 2019-05-06 at 05:45 PM.

  12. #18692
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I don't think she will get Labour support. They know full well that anything May is offering will be undone by whoever comes next, it is beyond obvious. Heck Tory Remainers know it as well.
    There are x number of Eurosceptic Tory leavers who voted for MV3 but might now vote against MV4 depending on the exact nature of the 'concessions'. But, on the other hand, I'm sure there are plenty of Labour MPs who, as we approach the real cliff edge, are more concerned about keeping their seats and maintaining the two party system, and who voted against MV3 but will vote for MV4.

    It's all a numbers game isn't it? If they do actually agree a deal I don't think it's clear it'd fail. I’m sure a larger number of Labour MPs would vote for it while a hardcore of remainers wouldn't. But the question is would the Labour leavers be balanced out by an equally large number of hardcore Eurosceptic Tory leavers voting against it.

    You could end up with the (comical) scenario where both parties are split broadly in two. Entirely indicative of the country as a whole.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    I've not seen the poll on which this article; https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top...main-1-6031751 is based but it is interesting in so much as although the leave vote is split over two options it the first poll (that I've seen) where specifically remain and no-deal have been polled and remain is the clear favourite.

    This may represent a shift in public opinion away from leaving the EU and, potentially, adds weight to the campaign for a 2nd ref.
    https://www.kisbridgingloans.co.uk/f...ain-in-the-eu/ are the people who commissioned it but I can’t find the poll on the YouGov website.

  13. #18693
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    .....

    This may represent a shift in public opinion away from leaving the EU and, potentially, adds weight to the campaign for a 2nd ref.
    it may seem obvious to me, but if you dont know how to leave properly, the remain option is the best one.

  14. #18694
    This thread reached as many pages as there has been debates in the parliament

  15. #18695
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    I've not seen the poll on which this article; https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top...main-1-6031751 is based but it is interesting in so much as although the leave vote is split over two options it the first poll (that I've seen) where specifically remain and no-deal have been polled and remain is the clear favourite.

    This may represent a shift in public opinion away from leaving the EU and, potentially, adds weight to the campaign for a 2nd ref.
    But May keeps telling us; we decided, and we aren't allowed to change our minds now. It wouldn't be "democratic". /s

    We just need enough weight behind a second referendum that it becomes politically expedient to do it. Or rather, that the realisation dawns on them that it is going to be more politically damaging for them NOT to. The Tories are losing voters to both sides, the longer this goes on and isn't resolved. But whatever form of Brexit they actually push through will then actually crystalise further losses once people realise they haven't got the specific form of Brexit that they wanted (and were originally promised).

    Just needs one final push, from where I'm sitting. Maybe the EU elections will show enough support swinging behind the Remain parties to make it inevitable?
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  16. #18696
    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    But May keeps telling us; we decided, and we aren't allowed to change our minds now. It wouldn't be "democratic". /s

    We just need enough weight behind a second referendum that it becomes politically expedient to do it. Or rather, that the realisation dawns on them that it is going to be more politically damaging for them NOT to. The Tories are losing voters to both sides, the longer this goes on and isn't resolved. But whatever form of Brexit they actually push through will then actually crystalise further losses once people realise they haven't got the specific form of Brexit that they wanted (and were originally promised).

    Just needs one final push, from where I'm sitting. Maybe the EU elections will show enough support swinging behind the Remain parties to make it inevitable?
    I honestly don't see a reality where the Tories bringing a vote for a second referendum is not completely destructive for their party electorally.

  17. #18697
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    61% sounds like a safe margin

    I think it is this one:
    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.ne..._updated_w.pdf

    Edit: You know when I read those polls I wonder how many of the people who answer are just trolling, live in a cave or are brain damaged (probably the 1st). I mean look at this:https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.ne...t%20stance.pdf
    There is a 3% and 5% respectively that believe the Brexit Party and UKIP to be anti-brexit and a 16% and 21% who don't know.
    61% is a safe margin but you need to remember that is remain versus May's deal which has always polled poorly against both no deal and remain. What is key, for me at least, is that remain has been polled against both no-deal and May's deal and has come out the clear winner; 53% remain, 34% no-deal and remainder in favour of May's deal.

    It is not the poll you've linked as fieldwork for that one was carried out on 19th March and the fieldwork for the KIS commissioned poll took place between 23rd - 24th April 2019.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    https://www.kisbridgingloans.co.uk/f...ain-in-the-eu/ are the people who commissioned it but I can’t find the poll on the YouGov website.
    Yup, I read through that. It appears that the poll was commissioned to ascertain how Brexit has affected financial decision making therefore it's possible that Yougov will not publish the poll data as it may contain commercially sensitive data.

  18. #18698
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    61% is a safe margin but you need to remember that is remain versus May's deal which has always polled poorly against both no deal and remain. What is key, for me at least, is that remain has been polled against both no-deal and May's deal and has come out the clear winner; 53% remain, 34% no-deal and remainder in favour of May's deal.

    It is not the poll you've linked as fieldwork for that one was carried out on 19th March and the fieldwork for the KIS commissioned poll took place between 23rd - 24th April 2019.
    Hmm then they must not have posted that survey yet.

    Another thing that sadly indicated I may have been right (we'll soon know): https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.ne...t%20stance.pdf

    The Pro-Brexit crowd is all planning to vote while the Anti-Brexit crowd is mostly ambivalent.

  19. #18699
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Edit: You know when I read those polls I wonder how many of the people who answer are just trolling, live in a cave or are brain damaged (probably the 1st). I mean look at this:https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.ne...t%20stance.pdf
    There is a 3% and 5% respectively that believe the Brexit Party and UKIP to be anti-brexit and a 16% and 21% who don't know.
    Yes, that is utterly bizarre and completely depressing.

    A total of 19% of those polled either don't know that the Brexit Party is pro-Brexit or think that it's anti-Brexit.

    19% who are that dumb? Literally, they shouldn't be allowed to vote. It brings out my inner fascist.

    You notice that the Scots are more switched on / engaged?

  20. #18700
    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    Yes, that is utterly bizarre and completely depressing.

    A total of 19% of those polled either don't know that the Brexit Party is pro-Brexit or think that it's anti-Brexit.

    19% who are that dumb? Literally, they shouldn't be allowed to vote. It brings out my inner fascist.

    You notice that the Scots are more switched on / engaged?
    I honestly have to think that these people are trolling. Or maybe they don't speak English?

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