View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #18681
    Quote Originally Posted by rfafeqwqweqwqwe View Post

    Er....Do you think the Labour party controls the internet or something? Why do you think this would not come out? We have multiple examples of unambiguous anti-semitic quotations and physical threats issued by far right supporters...how is it the Labour party are magically suppressing all evidence from left-wing sources?

    The Labour party's ADMISSION is that its membership contains <0.1% anti-semites which is lower than in the general population. Some ADMISSION. It is virtually a brag.
    Er....Where the fuck did you pull that from in my post? I know you get flustered when you think Corbyn-sama is under attack from the evil neo libs but chill the fuck out already, it's cute but stop trying so hard. I'm sure Corbyn senpai will notice you at your next Momentum rally.

    50 examples to of anti-Semitism in Labour
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  2. #18682
    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    You're a bit behind the times, really.

    Labour has already admitted the problem and started dealing with it. All credit to them.
    They just said that anti-semitism has no place in labour. I'm pretty sure Corbyn agrees.

    He also obviously disagrees that making foreword to that book is anti-semitism by itself.

    I acknowledge there is a real problem of antisemitism that Labour is working to overcome
    Deny, deny, deny doesn't really work when the accused has actually accepted guilt?
    From that page:
    I want to share this video message about the problem of antisemitism that Labour is working to overcome — and the need to support and guarantee the security of Jewish communities.
    Antisemitic abuse has no place in our Party or movement. No one with such views acts in my name, or the name of our Party. They are not our supporters.
    I want Jewish people to feel at home in the Labour Party and be able to play their full part in our campaigning work to take our country forward.
    Driving antisemitism out of our party for good, and working with the Jewish community to rebuild trust, are vital priorities.
    Anti-racism is at the core of our movement. We must act to unite people of all communities to overcome inequality and prejudice, and build a fair country for all.


    Emphasis mine.

    Clearly, writing foreword to book isn't anti-semitic abuse. Also, no clear acknowledgement that Labour party has anti-semitism problem; only that Labour fights it.

  3. #18683
    Someone should give Shalcker his turnips, he managed to get you all derail this thread again.
    Hail Lilith and see you in Hell!

  4. #18684
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Someone should give Shalcker his turnips, he managed to get you all derail this thread again.
    Nah, fuckall is happening. UK election circus is really not interesting enough to discuss it.
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  5. #18685
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Nah, fuckall is happening. UK election circus is really not interesting enough to discuss it.
    Touché. I've stopped posting here because I find the entire process just boring at this point as well. I'm past anger and acceptance and well into boredom with Brexit now.
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  6. #18686
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Touché. I've stopped posting here because I find the entire process just boring at this point as well. I'm past anger and acceptance and well into boredom with Brexit now.
    I'll give it until after the summer breaks before the pace picks up again... August with a slow increase in interest, September with some more bickering and watching the Commons will become interesting again and October will probably (hopefully) see the end of British membership.
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  7. #18687
    Well, supposedly May is going for a 4th "meaningful vote" in the beginning of June. Not that I really think it will be different from the previous ones, but one can hope it will end this farce.

  8. #18688
    Quote Originally Posted by Gibblewink View Post
    Well, supposedly May is going for a 4th "meaningful vote" in the beginning of June. Not that I really think it will be different from the previous ones, but one can hope it will end this farce.
    It will likely be the same leave agreement again, just hoping that by then MPs will have changed their mind. Or, you know, 'voting again and again until the desired result is met', because to Brexiteers, hypocrisy is a thing that happens to other people.

  9. #18689
    Problem is likely there will be quite a few of Tory and Labour MPs that detest the idea of voting for something the other party has had a hand in so much that they'd rather see the country burn. They could just cook up the usual excuses of too much or too little alignment and "We need a better deal" nonsense and the can is safely on the roll for a little while longer....

  10. #18690
    Quote Originally Posted by Gibblewink View Post
    Problem is likely there will be quite a few of Tory and Labour MPs that detest the idea of voting for something the other party has had a hand in so much that they'd rather see the country burn. They could just cook up the usual excuses of too much or too little alignment and "We need a better deal" nonsense and the can is safely on the roll for a little while longer....
    It really is not that though. Simply put there is a majority of Remainers in Labour and third parties who will settle for nothing less than the People's Vote with Remain as an option and there is a significant number of Tory MPs who will settle for nothing less than a very soft Brexit. There is also absolutely no trust that the next Tory PM will feel bound by whatever this parliament signs with most bets being that May will not survive June. So the Remainers and those willing to compromise with a soft Brexit have no reason to believe that a WA will actually get them that because whoever succeeds May will not follow through with the agreement as has been made abundantly clear.
    At this point there seems to be even less appetite for a compromise than there was months ago. The can has been kicked down the road, the clown show that is the British EU elections is well underway and both sides will keep at Hard Brexit and People's Vote for a chance to Remain until we are closing in on October. At least this is my prediction and I very much doubt I am wrong.
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  11. #18691
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    I'll give it until after the summer breaks before the pace picks up again... August with a slow increase in interest, September with some more bickering and watching the Commons will become interesting again and October will probably (hopefully) see the end of British membership.
    Problem is september and october has all the party conferences so nothing gets done there too.

  12. #18692
    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    Problem is september and october has all the party conferences so nothing gets done there too.
    I begin to understand why the EU granted a 6 months extension. They look incredibly good without being under threat of the British accidentally coming up with a brilliant idea that would require the EU to move an inch...
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    seems UK government's rhetoric is playing with fire: if the june vote goes wrong it is about time for decision between no deal or revocation, Liam Fox and Steve Barclay mused on different occasions.

    https://twitter.com/BrexitCentral/st...20331365801984 <<<< clip with Barclay

    "There will be an opportunity for MPs to decide, after the local elections, after the European elections, whether they want to vote for Brexit or not.

    MPs will need to look and see if they want to continue down a path that inexorably takes us to either the potential of revocation of article 50 or leaving without a deal, and ask if they think that’s the best course either democratically or economically for the UK. MPs will have to face that decision..."

    Liam Fox today


    damage control mode and excuses if brexit fails ? or ammunition for "no deal" to avoid revocation ?

  14. #18694
    Thornberry has stated that Lab will be voting against the withdrawal bill when May brings it back https://twitter.com/GuardianAnushka/...46541282467840 coupled with the DUP saying that they will not back it https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/stat...53459551428608 this must mean that the deal is dead and with the potential strong showing of the BP and the predicted embarrassment of the Cons in the EP elections it most likely means May's time as PM will be over too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Thornberry has stated that Lab will be voting against the withdrawal bill when May brings it back https://twitter.com/GuardianAnushka/...46541282467840 coupled with the DUP saying that they will not back it https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/stat...53459551428608 this must mean that the deal is dead and with the potential strong showing of the BP and the predicted embarrassment of the Cons in the EP elections it most likely means May's time as PM will be over too.
    This was the likely outcome for reasons already stated; the collapse of effective leadership in the Tory party means that there is absolutely no guarantee that whatever May agreed to wouldn't be reneged on by whoever succeeded her.

    We'll have to see what the response is after the EP elections - if her premiership is effectively over she has nothing to lose by canceling Article 50.
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  16. #18696
    Personally, I cannot wait to see the hard Brexiteers out on the streets getting stamped on when the UK revokes.

    I cannot wait.

    /sarcasm

    But, in all honesty, I don't really see where this is going to end other than in massive, massive strife.

  17. #18697
    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    Personally, I cannot wait to see the hard Brexiteers out on the streets getting stamped on when the UK revokes.

    I cannot wait.

    /sarcasm

    But, in all honesty, I don't really see where this is going to end other than in massive, massive strife.
    Everything will be hunky dory simply because "our Nigel" merely exists, you'll see!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    Personally, I cannot wait to see the hard Brexiteers out on the streets getting stamped on when the UK revokes.

    I cannot wait.

    /sarcasm

    But, in all honesty, I don't really see where this is going to end other than in massive, massive strife.
    Our bariatric scooters will block out the sun...
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  19. #18699
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Our bariatric scooters will block out the sun...
    All the better we'll remain in the shade.

  20. #18700
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    This was the likely outcome for reasons already stated; the collapse of effective leadership in the Tory party means that there is absolutely no guarantee that whatever May agreed to wouldn't be reneged on by whoever succeeded her.

    We'll have to see what the response is after the EP elections - if her premiership is effectively over she has nothing to lose by canceling Article 50.
    Your first point is a contributing factor, albeit a minor one, as to why cross-party negotiations are going nowhere but largely irrelevant when it comes to voting for the Withdrawal Agreement Bill. Once passed the Bill would become law and could not be revoked without a further act of Parliament.

    May revoking A50 because she has nothing to lose is for want of a better word - bonkers.
    Last edited by Pann; 2019-05-16 at 07:47 AM.

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