View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #18761
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    I am sure those few 14% can be converted...
    Why are they reading the express if they are not already converted is the real question.

    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    As regards your silly comments about Claire Fox why don't you level your defamatory allegations directly to her as you seem a little, I have to say unhealthily, fixated? Or perhaps you would like me to copy her in on them, just let me know. You can do it yourself though right now... My guess is you won't, like most remainers all mouth and no trousers.

    https://twitter.com/Fox_Claire

    Before making your decision some friendly advice should you wish to proceed. Lawyer up.
    If i'm fixated on anything, it's getting you to actually reply to an actual point. If you believe in Claire Fox and everything she stands for, that's your choice - but if you do what you normally do and try to completely ignore something you don't like, then it seems only fair to keep reminding you about what you are missing
    Last edited by Dizzeeyooo; 2019-05-09 at 08:22 AM.

  2. #18762
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    I am sure those few 14% can be converted...

    As regards your silly comments about Claire Fox why don't you level your defamatory allegations directly to her as you seem a little, I have to say unhealthily, fixated? Or perhaps you would like me to copy her in on them, just let me know. You can do it yourself though right now... My guess is you won't, like most remainers all mouth and no trousers.

    https://twitter.com/Fox_Claire

    Before making your decision some friendly advice should you wish to proceed. Lawyer up.
    What are you going to do lobotomize them into stupidity along with the rest of your crowd, there's seriously no hope for people like you, also who reads that paper...

  3. #18763
    In today's news!

    Jeremy Corbyn concedes the EU elections to the Brexit Party. Word to the wise Jez, both Leavers and Remainers think your full of shit.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48208846

    But my fave is definitely Johnny Mercer putting himself on the market.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48209591

    For the low low price of just £350 an hour Nigel Farage can have his first Brexit Party MP (yeah he was a Remainer but he's changed his mind and he used to shoot people for a living!).

  4. #18764
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Well with the former main parties engineering the destruction of democracy I'm not sure people want any policy other than Brexit at the moment.
    Doesn't it worry you that despite apparently standing on the policy of Brexit they refuse to clarify what this means and how they plan to achieve the, so called, clean break Brexit?

    How can Nigel and pals be worthy of your's and other's votes when they won't tell you what you are voting for? It seems to me that the Brexit Party is every bit as bad as the self-serving, metropolitan Westminster elite they claim to be against.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    That depends on how much bandwidth Brexit eats up for the electorate of Peterborough. It could be an effective strategy for any of the parties to campaign on local issues rather than Brexit, but it will only work if that's what the people of Peterborough are interested in when they are voting for an MP.
    The point I am (badly) trying to make is that I am not sure that parties who have experience in parliament, and in the LD's case; government, pulling out of an election to support a candidate that appears to have just one (unworkable?) policy in order to fight another candidate who quite literally does not have a single policy is a good idea.

    If you live in Peterborough you can still register your opposition to Brexit by voting LD or Green and you will be supporting a candidate that is backed by an experienced party who are capable of dealing with more than Brexit.

  5. #18765
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Doesn't it worry you that despite apparently standing on the policy of Brexit they refuse to clarify what this means and how they plan to achieve the, so called, clean break Brexit?

    How can Nigel and pals be worthy of your's and other's votes when they won't tell you what you are voting for? It seems to me that the Brexit Party is every bit as bad as the self-serving, metropolitan Westminster elite they claim to be against.
    Didn't dribbles mention that they're waiting until after elections to declare their policies and so forth?

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    I actually got a "Brexit Party" pamphlet/brochure in the post today. Gave it a quick read, nothing really special or new, and then binned it. Waste of money, honestly.
    Often updated... ?

  6. #18766
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    The point I am (badly) trying to make is that I am not sure that parties who have experience in parliament, and in the LD's case; government, pulling out of an election to support a candidate that appears to have just one (unworkable?) policy in order to fight another candidate who quite literally does not have a single policy is a good idea.

    If you live in Peterborough you can still register your opposition to Brexit by voting LD or Green and you will be supporting a candidate that is backed by an experienced party who are capable of dealing with more than Brexit.
    This is my main issue with voting Green over Lib Dem in a GE or local election really so I'm not disagreeing with you. But the reason this Peterborough stuff erks me is that this is a throw away by-election for the most part, whoever wins will be fighting an election proper very soon whether we Brexit or not and it would be encouraging to see parties cooperating on what is, atm, the core of their platforms. It's what makes Change UK such a terrible joke of a party. "Hey we are Change UK and we are going to be doing something different than the old politics by doing exactly what the old politics does!", fuck off.

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    Also the Peoples Vote Campaign just did a broadside on Labour's CU Brexit plan.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48213055

    Looks like they still had some ammo left over so they took a shot at the SS Brexit too.

    Quote Originally Posted by BBC
    Labour MP and People's Vote supporter Rachel Reeves said a customs union exit would not be as damaging as a no-deal exit or the PM's current deal.

    "But it is a mistake to regard it as a soft option, let alone a fix-all for a political crisis that has its roots in promises that can't be met," she added.

  7. #18767
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Doesn't it worry you that despite apparently standing on the policy of Brexit they refuse to clarify what this means and how they plan to achieve the, so called, clean break Brexit?

    How can Nigel and pals be worthy of your's and other's votes when they won't tell you what you are voting for? It seems to me that the Brexit Party is every bit as bad as the self-serving, metropolitan Westminster elite they claim to be against.
    The Brexit Party is a perfect representation of Brexit. They are promising to do something without explaining what they are going to do, how they will do it, or what it will mean. So it's impossible to argue against them, because they aren't holding a position you can argue against. It's like trying to catch smoke. But there will be plenty of idiots willing to believe that it will be what they want, so they will vote for it regardless. And in the meantime Farage will make money out of it.
    When challenging a Kzin, a simple scream of rage is sufficient. You scream and you leap.

    Quote Originally Posted by George Carlin
    Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
    Brexophilia: The act of rubbing yourself against dead political ideas for sexual pleasure.

  8. #18768
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Doesn't it worry you that despite apparently standing on the policy of Brexit they refuse to clarify what this means and how they plan to achieve the, so called, clean break Brexit?

    How can Nigel and pals be worthy of your's and other's votes when they won't tell you what you are voting for? It seems to me that the Brexit Party is every bit as bad as the self-serving, metropolitan Westminster elite they claim to be against.
    I'm not sure the Brexit party could be any clearer but it is a valid question for those late to the party. Perhaps that's why their chairman has had a pinned tweet up for the last 2 days.

    A vote for The Brexit Party on 23 May is a vote for:

    A WTO Brexit

    A vote for us is a vote against:

    paying EU £39bn for nothing

    https://twitter.com/TiceRichard

    If only the other parties had such clarity...

    How do they achieve that? They put the UK chequebook away and say toodlepip to the EU, job done.

  9. #18769
    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    This is my main issue with voting Green over Lib Dem in a GE or local election really so I'm not disagreeing with you. But the reason this Peterborough stuff erks me is that this is a throw away by-election for the most part, whoever wins will be fighting an election proper very soon whether we Brexit or not and it would be encouraging to see parties cooperating on what is, atm, the core of their platforms. It's what makes Change UK such a terrible joke of a party. "Hey we are Change UK and we are going to be doing something different than the old politics by doing exactly what the old politics does!", fuck off.

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    Also the Peoples Vote Campaign just did a broadside on Labour's CU Brexit plan.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48213055

    Looks like they still had some ammo left over so they took a shot at the SS Brexit too.
    The thing is we don't know if we will be fighting another GE any time soon, I would say that as it stands it is in neither of the main parties' interests to push for one. So what happens if Peterborough is fought solely on Brexit and in two years time the winner is using PMQ's to prattle on about a clean break Brexit or a people's vote when there could be pressing issues in Peterborough that need dealing with, like school or healthcare funding, housing, etc?

    Already we are in a situation where parliament is paralysed by Brexit and now the Peterborough by-election is in danger of being hijacked by it which seems like a pointless distraction as even if the election is fought on Brexit it will make no difference in the grand scheme of things and both sides of the debate will claim victory regardless of the result.

    I think the people of Peterborough deserve better.

    Change UK seem to be the emperor's new clothes.

    I am glad that the whole CU plan is finally coming under scrutiny. I think it is terrible that it has been allowed to be seen as a solution to the current Brexit impasse and border problems for as long as it has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    I'm not sure the Brexit party could be any clearer but it is a valid question for those late to the party. Perhaps that's why their chairman has had a pinned tweet up for the last 2 days.

    A vote for The Brexit Party on 23 May is a vote for:

    A WTO Brexit

    A vote for us is a vote against:

    paying EU £39bn for nothing

    https://twitter.com/TiceRichard

    If only the other parties had such clarity...

    How do they achieve that? They put the UK chequebook away and say toodlepip to the EU, job done.
    That is nothing more empty soundbites and fantasy. And you've missed out "competent Brexit negotiators & Brexit Party MEPs at the table" that a vote for the Brexit party would apparently deliver. Why would negotiators be needed if we are going to leave with no deal?

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    Interesting developments regarding Peterborough.

    https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status...16853566779393

  10. #18770
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    The thing is we don't know if we will be fighting another GE any time soon, I would say that as it stands it is in neither of the main parties' interests to push for one. So what happens if Peterborough is fought solely on Brexit and in two years time the winner is using PMQ's to prattle on about a clean break Brexit or a people's vote when there could be pressing issues in Peterborough that need dealing with, like school or healthcare funding, housing, etc?
    Everyone but the Cons wants a GE atm, which is a great argument for saying we wont be seeing one lol but every party seems to be setting their boards to fight one soon, including the Cons (hence trying desperately to ditch May). Then if Brexit is still an issue in 2 years time then it won't matter whats going on or who represents Peterborough in Parliament because Brexit will still be eating up all the bandwidth and the MP for Peterborough won't be able to help their constituency anyway unless MPs have some sweeping powers I'm unaware of whilst in their constituencies so it's moot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Already we are in a situation where parliament is paralysed by Brexit and now the Peterborough by-election is in danger of being hijacked by it which seems like a pointless distraction as even if the election is fought on Brexit it will make no difference in the grand scheme of things and both sides of the debate will claim victory regardless of the result.
    True but I'd like Remain factions to start working together and right now they aren't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    I think the people of Peterborough deserve better.
    You've obviously never been to Peterborough. (joke!...sort of :P)

    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Change UK seem to be the emperor's new clothes.
    Yup.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    I am glad that the whole CU plan is finally coming under scrutiny. I think it is terrible that it has been allowed to be seen as a solution to the current Brexit impasse and border problems for as long as it has.
    It's due some scrutiny for sure, where did we end on CU vs future Trade Agreements?

  11. #18771
    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    The Brexit Party is a perfect representation of Brexit. They are promising to do something without explaining what they are going to do, how they will do it, or what it will mean. So it's impossible to argue against them, because they aren't holding a position you can argue against. It's like trying to catch smoke. But there will be plenty of idiots willing to believe that it will be what they want, so they will vote for it regardless. And in the meantime Farage will make money out of it.
    And they're also not even capable of delivering their promise. This is an EU election. Wtf do they think they can accomplish in the EUP? Fucking trolls.
    “It’s majoritarian, the majority wins, it’s ruled by the majority for the majority – sod the minority. Whereas true democracy includes everybody’s opinion in society,” - Margaret Georgiadou, 2019 about Brexit referendum.

  12. #18772
    I thought this was an interesting read relating to the Brexit Party.

    Anecdotal? Sure. Reassuring for a political party? Not at all. Doesn't seem to be an isolated incident, either.
    Often updated... ?

  13. #18773
    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    Everyone but the Cons wants a GE atm, which is a great argument for saying we wont be seeing one lol but every party seems to be setting their boards to fight one soon, including the Cons (hence trying desperately to ditch May). Then if Brexit is still an issue in 2 years time then it won't matter whats going on or who represents Peterborough in Parliament because Brexit will still be eating up all the bandwidth and the MP for Peterborough won't be able to help their constituency anyway unless MPs have some sweeping powers I'm unaware of whilst in their constituencies so it's moot.
    I would not be so sure that Lab are as keen behind the scenes as they are in public for a GE especially after they not only failed to capitalise on the appalling showing from the Cons in the locals but actually managed to lose councillors compared to Miliband's previous poor showing. Add in Farage sniffing around leave constituencies and there is even more danger for the main two that they will lose more than they gain by calling a GE.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    True but I'd like Remain factions to start working together and right now they aren't.
    It's only an election for one seat out of 650. Wait until there is something more substantial to fight for before becoming too pessimistic and writing them off.

  14. #18774
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    I'm not sure the Brexit party could be any clearer but it is a valid question for those late to the party. Perhaps that's why their chairman has had a pinned tweet up for the last 2 days.

    A vote for The Brexit Party on 23 May is a vote for:

    A WTO Brexit

    A vote for us is a vote against:

    paying EU £39bn for nothing

    https://twitter.com/TiceRichard

    If only the other parties had such clarity...

    How do they achieve that? They put the UK chequebook away and say toodlepip to the EU, job done.
    You speak of clarity and yet the only way to see the "policies" of the party are to read a 2-day-old pinned Tweet? Are these "policies" also on their website?
    Often updated... ?

  15. #18775
    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    True but I'd like Remain factions to start working together and right now they aren't.
    They were working together in Peterborough, until Labour decided to prevent their candidate from standing.

    Sadly as with most things remain at the moment, TIG seem to be getting shit for something they have limited or no control over.
    Last edited by Dizzeeyooo; 2019-05-09 at 06:23 PM.

  16. #18776
    Femi Oluwole, the potential independent Peterborough candidate, reveals that he decided not to stand as it ran the risk of taking votes from Lab.

    https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1126537699203137537

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    How do they achieve that? They put the UK chequebook away and say toodlepip to the EU, job done.
    Are general elections again or how are they supposed to achieve that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    A WTO Brexit
    .
    sound like a major loss for UK economy.




  19. #18779
    I know I've got some mentions to respond to and I intend to but I'm watching Brexit:Behind Closed Doors atm and it's fascinating and I just want to chime in with some of it so far.

    Davis met with the EU every 6 months.

    When Raab first met with Barnier he tried to play hard ball and said that if there was a border between NI and RoI it would be entirely the fault of the EU. Barnier responded by telling him that if this was Britain's position then he will tell this to the EU Parliament and Commission and then they will stop the negotiations. Raab promptly folded.

    Verhofstadt currently losing his shit over what happened with WA votes and the sheer incompetence of it all.

    Before MVII May sent an incomprehensible Unilateral Declaration to Verhofstadt that she hoped would strengthen her position is met broadly with derision. Verhofstadt christens it "the shit declaration". No wonder we never heard of it.
    Last edited by Kronik85; 2019-05-09 at 08:54 PM.

  20. #18780
    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    Before MVII May sent an incomprehensible Unilateral Declaration to Verhofstadt that she hoped would strengthen her position is met broadly with derision. Verhofstadt christens it "the shit declaration". No wonder we never heard of it.
    We did hear about it - it wasn't enough (obviously - as they pointed out, nothing is really there) to let her win the second vote.

    But yes, the program was great and depressing at the same time, you have to feel bad for the people on the EU side who spent that amount of time dealing with the variety of shitty UK attitudes to this whole thing.

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