View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #18781
    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzeeyooo View Post
    We did hear about it - it wasn't enough (obviously - as they pointed out, nothing is really there) to let her win the second vote.

    But yes, the program was great and depressing at the same time, you have to feel bad for the people on the EU side who spent that amount of time dealing with the variety of shitty UK attitudes to this whole thing.
    Did we really? I was following pretty intently but obviously not enough or I would of been on here laughing at it. But yeah, I was struck by how compassionate Barnier was when he spoke about respecting the views of the British people, seems like a stand up guy. Feel the same way about the whole negotiating team that we saw really, serious people actually trying to implement the referendum on our behalf rather than a group set up to try and destroy the UK.

    Right, on to the backlog!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzeeyooo View Post
    They were working together in Peterborough, until Labour decided to prevent their candidate from standing.

    Sadly as with most things remain at the moment, TIG seem to be getting shit for something they have limited or no control over.
    Is that how it's unfolded? Reading the BBC now it seems the candidate didn't want to snipe Labour votes but it all looks pretty messy and convoluted right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    I would not be so sure that Lab are as keen behind the scenes as they are in public for a GE especially after they not only failed to capitalise on the appalling showing from the Cons in the locals but actually managed to lose councillors compared to Miliband's previous poor showing. Add in Farage sniffing around leave constituencies and there is even more danger for the main two that they will lose more than they gain by calling a GE.
    A GE right now would be disastrous for both Lab and Con, no argument there. I just don't see how anything gets passed without a fundamental change in the arithmetic of Parliament.



    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    It's only an election for one seat out of 650. Wait until there is something more substantial to fight for before becoming too pessimistic and writing them off.
    Fair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    I thought this was an interesting read relating to the Brexit Party.

    Anecdotal? Sure. Reassuring for a political party? Not at all. Doesn't seem to be an isolated incident, either.
    Wow, so they have real life Brown Shirts? Or will it be Blue Shirts?

  2. #18782
    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    Did we really?
    Yes

    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    Is that how it's unfolded? Reading the BBC now it seems the candidate didn't want to snipe Labour votes but it all looks pretty messy and convoluted right now.
    A remain candidate vs brexit candidate obviously only works if no other credible candidates are standing - Labour having no intention of losing their candidate + People's Vote having a large number of Labour backers involved was always going to create situations like this, sadly.

  3. #18783
    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    A GE right now would be disastrous for both Lab and Con, no argument there. I just don't see how anything gets passed without a fundamental change in the arithmetic of Parliament.
    An early GE will not happen without some sort of consensus between Con and Lab.

    But would a GE really change the parliamentary arithmetic? Would a divided country return anything other than a divided parliament?

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    Farage on the ropes! Go, Man in Question Time audience!

  4. #18784
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Farage on the ropes! Go, Man in Question Time audience!
    Are you watching the same program as me? If there were an audience clap-o-meter are you seriously saying Farage hasn't got the biggest cheers?

    Anyhow, Andrew Neil and This Week next...

  5. #18785
    Since the parties in the EU elections won't be tactical about remain voting here is a small sight to help voters

    https://www.remainvoter.com

    Also in regards to QT I can't remember the last time I watched that, has the general intelligence of the audience gone up in last few years or is it still 90% insanity with the lone sane voice?

  6. #18786
    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzeeyooo View Post
    That's from November and it's about the PD, but your Reuters link had the full word salad in it so you can stop hammering me. :P


    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzeeyooo View Post
    A remain candidate vs brexit candidate obviously only works if no other credible candidates are standing - Labour having no intention of losing their candidate + People's Vote having a large number of Labour backers involved was always going to create situations like this, sadly.
    Fair. Still disappointed though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    An early GE will not happen without some sort of consensus between Con and Lab.

    But would a GE really change the parliamentary arithmetic? Would a divided country return anything other than a divided parliament?
    I think this is the future tbh, increasingly small majorities. But that only emphasises the need for electoral reform if FPTP can't deliver what it's meant to.


    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Farage on the ropes! Go, Man in Question Time audience!
    There I was explicitly choosing to forgo QT this week because I didn't think it would be good for the blood pressure having to watch an hour of Mr Toad. Got any highlights for us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    Since the parties in the EU elections won't be tactical about remain voting here is a small sight to help voters

    https://www.remainvoter.com
    Brilliant. Also hilarious describing Labour Seats as "Schrodingers seats".

  7. #18787
    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    That's from November and it's about the PD, but your Reuters link had the full word salad in it so you can stop hammering me. :P
    Oh sorry, wrong link

    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    There I was explicitly choosing to forgo QT this week because I didn't think it would be good for the blood pressure having to watch an hour of Mr Toad. Got any highlights for us?
    Anna Soubry pointing out that Farage claimed before and during the referendum campaign that we can be like Norway, be like Switzerland. Farage denying this and claiming that his position before and throughout the referendum was that no deal is better than a bad deal and a WTO brexit would always be the best outcome for the UK.

    2 seconds googling finds two videos that word for word prove Anna's point (because its true), I'm guessing @dribbles will fail to find any evidence to support the racist twat's claim (because its a blatant lie) so he won't even try and will laugh and joke about it instead. No prizes for guessing who the audience clapped and cheered for, and no prizes for guessing if Question Time pointed out that one statement was true and one statement was a lie.

    Also an Italian doctor fighting back tears while trying to explain how fucked the UK GP system is, while Farage and the other leave twat on the panel make derogatory comments about the UK "being shamed into accepting" migrant doctors and nurses who dare to choose to come to the UK to work.
    Last edited by Dizzeeyooo; 2019-05-10 at 12:24 AM.

  8. #18788
    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post

    Also in regards to QT I can't remember the last time I watched that, has the general intelligence of the audience gone up in last few years or is it still 90% insanity with the lone sane voice?
    It is mostly middle-class neo-liberal twats like yourself, I guess that's what you mean.

  9. #18789
    Quote Originally Posted by fathwathalp View Post
    It is mostly middle-class neo-liberal twats like yourself, I guess that's what you mean.
    That explains the horrifically large amount of cheering and clapping whenever Farage opened his racist mouth, all those middle class neo liberal twats who still think Brexit is a great idea.
    Last edited by Dizzeeyooo; 2019-05-09 at 11:39 PM.

  10. #18790
    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    Did we really? I was following pretty intently but obviously not enough or I would of been on here laughing at it. But yeah, I was struck by how compassionate Barnier was when he spoke about respecting the views of the British people, seems like a stand up guy. Feel the same way about the whole negotiating team that we saw really, serious people actually trying to implement the referendum on our behalf rather than a group set up to try and destroy the UK.
    I didn't get the impression there was much compassion for the EU for the poor and underprivileged. They seem very keen on austerity and free movement of labour with little regard for the consequences for unskilled labour.

  11. #18791
    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzeeyooo View Post
    That explains the horrifically large amount of cheering and clapping whenever Farage opened his racist mouth, all those middle class neo liberal twats who support Brexit.
    lol someone is upset.

    You can watch some of the best bits again here in a few short clips. Relive the moments so to speak.

    https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial

    Anyhow sorry to say eurochums but this is my last post until after the upcoming elections, I will be very busy until then working in the real world against you and as I can't give my full attention it's better to let you carry on happy back slapping all in it together as your side faces the abyss.

    Best of luck to you. You are going to need it...

    Keep the home fires burning in my absence and all that,

    Tick Tock.

  12. #18792
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    lol someone is upset.
    Stating facts makes me upset?

    How's your video of Nigel Farage saying no deal is better than a bad deal from before or during the referendum coming along?

    Oh never mind, you are doing a Farage and running away, guess no answer for me then

    Tick Tock.

  13. #18793
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    I will be very busy until then working in the real world against you.
    Literally, he’s a Russian agent.

    He’s on his way here.

    /quakes

  14. #18794
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Anyhow sorry to say eurochums but this is my last post until after the upcoming elections, I will be very busy until then working in the real world against you and as I can't give my full attention it's better to let you carry on happy back slapping all in it together as your side faces the abyss.

  15. #18795
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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Are you watching the same program as me? If there were an audience clap-o-meter are you seriously saying Farage hasn't got the biggest cheers?

    Anyhow, Andrew Neil and This Week next...
    No answer to my question? Shouldn't you know what you're voting for?
    Quote Originally Posted by ash
    So, look um, I'm not a grief counselor, but if it's any consolation, I have had to kill and bury loved ones before.

    A bunch of times actually.

  16. #18796
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Are you watching the same program as me? If there were an audience clap-o-meter are you seriously saying Farage hasn't got the biggest cheers?

    Anyhow, Andrew Neil and This Week next...
    I didn't say anything about whether Farage was popular with the audience but he came across as a fool after extolling the virtues of trading on WTO terms when he tired to swerve and lie his way out of the audience member's request to name one country that trades solely on WTO before admitting he did not know.

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    An interesting poll from Yougov out today examines how people would vote if the anti-Brexit parties stood under one banner in the EP elections.

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics...ct-have-done-e

    I don't think it comes as a shock that Change is failing to hit the mark and the anti-Brexit parties would do worst if they ran under the Change banner but what surprised me is that the poll shows that they would be most successful under the Green banner.


  17. #18797
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    I didn't say anything about whether Farage was popular with the audience but he came across as a fool after extolling the virtues of trading on WTO terms when he tired to swerve and lie his way out of the audience member's request to name one country that trades solely on WTO before admitting he did not know.

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    An interesting poll from Yougov out today examines how people would vote if the anti-Brexit parties stood under one banner in the EP elections.

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics...ct-have-done-e

    I don't think it comes as a shock that Change is failing to hit the mark and the anti-Brexit parties would do worst if they ran under the Change banner but what surprised me is that the poll shows that they would be most successful under the Green banner.

    Personally I think this is the kind of scenario that should happen. But with them all fielding candidates depending on who has the best canditate for which constituency. If anything the MEP elections specifically allow for this and in many countries you have alliance and similar acts. The only issue I see is where would these candidates stand in the term of EP parties because all three of them feel like they belong to different groups.

  18. #18798
    Two very interesting videos, describing the negotiations from the point of view of Verhoefstad's office:





    It's two hours, but amazingly insightful into the EU side of things.
    “It’s majoritarian, the majority wins, it’s ruled by the majority for the majority – sod the minority. Whereas true democracy includes everybody’s opinion in society,” - Margaret Georgiadou, 2019 about Brexit referendum.
    PSA: Being a volunteer is no excuse to make a shite job of it.

  19. #18799
    Nigel Farage puts the Brexit Party manifesto to music.


  20. #18800
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    But tbh you are overstating her importance to the Brexit party
    I know you won't reply to this either, but I am curious why her pedophile and terrorist supporting face is all over the Brexit party advertising that was dropped into my mail this morning

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