View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #18801
    I know I'm going to regret this but hang on a minute. Farage is a passenger in a car that is involved in a low speed accident on a single track country lane and somehow he is to blame and not the driver(s) who failed to anticipate and avoid the car coming the other way??? And somehow the drivers' actions means that Farage wants to kill people? Apparently this is enough to express exasperation that he is still alive?

    I dislike Farage but blaming him is beyond ridiculous, even for this thread, and trying to link it as Dribbles would want the child to be killed is simply shameful!
    Last edited by Pann; 2019-05-12 at 09:07 AM.

  2. #18802
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    I know I'm going to regret this but hang on a minute. Farage is a passenger in a car that is involved in a low speed accident on a single track country lane and somehow he is to blame and not the driver(s) who failed to anticipate and avoid the car coming the other way??? And somehow the drivers' actions means that Farage wants to kill people? Apparently this is enough to express exasperation that he is still alive?

    I dislike Farage but blaming him is beyond ridiculous, even for this thread, and trying to link as Dribbles would want the child to be killed is simply shameful!
    I'm not blaming him. I'm saying he fails as a human being. He has no manners. As Riversong says, he's a twat. A massive one. You can't legally charge someone for being a twat... but somehow, this episode alone would have made other politicians pretty much unelectable. This asshole? He'll probably surge, because killers like Dribs like carnage.
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  3. #18803
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    I know I'm going to regret this but hang on a minute. Farage is a passenger in a car that is involved in a low speed accident on a single track country lane and somehow he is to blame and not the driver(s) who failed to anticipate and avoid the car coming the other way??? And somehow the drivers' actions means that Farage wants to kill people? Apparently this is enough to express exasperation that he is still alive?

    I dislike Farage but blaming him is beyond ridiculous, even for this thread, and trying to link it as Dribbles would want the child to be killed is simply shameful!
    He could have provided a witness report and an account of what happened but no because he's so big and important he slinked off into the shadows just like what he did back in 2016 after he felt he was accomplished the man is a scumbag and people who trust and believe have got to be fucking brain damaged I swear.

  4. #18804
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    I know I'm going to regret this but hang on a minute. Farage is a passenger in a car that is involved in a low speed accident on a single track country lane and somehow he is to blame and not the driver(s) who failed to anticipate and avoid the car coming the other way??? And somehow the drivers' actions means that Farage wants to kill people? Apparently this is enough to express exasperation that he is still alive?

    I dislike Farage but blaming him is beyond ridiculous, even for this thread, and trying to link it as Dribbles would want the child to be killed is simply shameful!
    He's not at fault for the crash as he wasn't driving, he's a bit of a dick for bailing from the location of it as fast as he appears to have done though.

  5. #18805
    Quote Originally Posted by Riversong View Post
    He could have provided a witness report and an account of what happened but no because he's so big and important he slinked off into the shadows just like what he did back in 2016 after he felt he was accomplished the man is a scumbag and people who trust and believe have got to be fucking brain damaged I swear.
    Provide a witness report to who? The police will not be interested in a low speed collision and the insurance companies will contact him if they need to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zealo View Post
    He's not at fault for the crash as he wasn't driving, he's a bit of a dick for bailing from the location of it as fast as he appears to have done though.
    That's as maybe but we only have the word of one person who appears to have sold the story to as many newspapers as possible and in the aftermath of an accident there is not much anyone can do apart from wait for the respective insurance companies to arrange recovery of the vehicles.

  6. #18806
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Two very interesting videos, describing the negotiations from the point of view of Verhoefstad's office:

    It's two hours, but amazingly insightful into the EU side of things.
    I wanted to watch this and get more perspective on the situation but I got like ten minutes into the first video and couldn't stomach it anymore. I know you have good intentions but this shit is such obvious propaganda. How do people see this and not notice the obvious emotional manipulation?

    They haven't explained any positions yet but have devoted several minutes trying to establish silly things to pre program the viewer like how much of a good, normal, likable guy verhoefstadt is...See guys, he's just a down to earth dude who wants to make wine in his country villa and has a loving family and wife who he met and stayed with since he was 17. It's a classic manipulation tactic.

  7. #18807
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Provide a witness report to who? The police will not be interested in a low speed collision and the insurance companies will contact him if they need to.
    Are we talking about the UK or a third world country here? Because at least in Germany the police is interested in every traffic accident with even the slightest damage to persons, even if it's just a stiff neck. And the toddler was evidentially hospitalized. Participants leaving the scene prematurely would be considered committing a hit and run in such a case.
    Guns don't kill people! Toddlers kill people!!

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    Senator Moore will be sitting in that seat and I hope it burns you to your core.

  8. #18808
    Quote Originally Posted by luckydevours View Post
    Are we talking about the UK or a third world country here? Because at least in Germany the police is interested in every traffic accident with even the slightest damage to persons, even if it's just a stiff neck. And the toddler was evidentially hospitalized. Participants leaving the scene prematurely would be considered committing a hit and run in such a case.
    Then Germany is being very silly? Don't get to say that often lol.

    Last accident I had, very minor bump, exchanged details and went our separate ways within 5 mins. Absolutely no need for the police.

    Fair play though, we just can't afford that level of attention from the Police, with all the austerity they are struggling to even do the basics atm.
    Last edited by Kronik85; 2019-05-12 at 02:10 PM.

  9. #18809
    Quote Originally Posted by dippinsawse View Post
    I wanted to watch this and get more perspective on the situation but I got like ten minutes into the first video and couldn't stomach it anymore. I know you have good intentions but this shit is such obvious propaganda. How do people see this and not notice the obvious emotional manipulation?

    They haven't explained any positions yet but have devoted several minutes trying to establish silly things to pre program the viewer like how much of a good, normal, likable guy verhoefstadt is...See guys, he's just a down to earth dude who wants to make wine in his country villa and has a loving family and wife who he met and stayed with since he was 17. It's a classic manipulation tactic.
    It's almost like spending 30 years constantly churning out stories about how terrible the EU is; how it's run by faceless bureaucrats that waste money. How it comes up with terrible pointless laws that create red tape for no reason. That sort of manipulation you mean?

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  10. #18810
    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    Then Germany is being very silly? Don't get to say that often lol.
    What is silly about being concerned about the wellbeing of road users?

    Last accident I had, very minor bump, exchanged details and went our separate ways within 5 mins. Absolutely no need for the police.
    No damage to persons? Than this is absolutely reasonable and standard procedure in Germany a well

    But if your child was hurt and had to go to the hospital you would obviously call the police, wouldn't you?
    Guns don't kill people! Toddlers kill people!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Sulla View Post
    Senator Moore will be sitting in that seat and I hope it burns you to your core.

  11. #18811
    Quote Originally Posted by luckydevours View Post
    What is silly about being concerned about the wellbeing of road users?



    No damage to persons? Than this is absolutely reasonable and standard procedure in Germany a well

    But if your child was hurt and had to go to the hospital you would obviously call the police, wouldn't you?
    Are they trained medical professionals? Because if my kid was hurt I'd ring for some kind of medical help rather than the police who will be asking me why the hell I'm ringing them to report a medical emergency rather than an ambulance.

  12. #18812
    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    Are they trained medical professionals? Because if my kid was hurt I'd ring for some kind of medical help rather than the police who will be asking me why the hell I'm ringing them to report a medical emergency rather than an ambulance.
    Do medical personal collect evidence if the case has to go to court in your country?
    Guns don't kill people! Toddlers kill people!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Sulla View Post
    Senator Moore will be sitting in that seat and I hope it burns you to your core.

  13. #18813
    Quote Originally Posted by dippinsawse View Post
    I wanted to watch this and get more perspective on the situation but I got like ten minutes into the first video and couldn't stomach it anymore. I know you have good intentions but this shit is such obvious propaganda. How do people see this and not notice the obvious emotional manipulation?

    They haven't explained any positions yet but have devoted several minutes trying to establish silly things to pre program the viewer like how much of a good, normal, likable guy verhoefstadt is...See guys, he's just a down to earth dude who wants to make wine in his country villa and has a loving family and wife who he met and stayed with since he was 17. It's a classic manipulation tactic.
    Propaganda? It's an inside view of one side of negotiations. You can't get more biased than that. If you came into the video thinking it was going to be a neutral point of view, you're beyond delusion. They even said it in the video, they don't have to explain any positions. The UK started all of this, and it's on them to start explaining what they want to do. Something they, apparently, have not yet decided.
    Last edited by Slant; 2019-05-12 at 02:53 PM.
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  14. #18814
    Quote Originally Posted by luckydevours View Post
    Do medical personal collect evidence if the case has to go to court in your country?
    Only if there is a criminal case in the works. It's not strictly illegal to crash your car over here. Not looking at statistics right now since I'm shit posting whilst watching the title race at my mother in law's but I would at least imagine that the vast majority of road accidents in the UK arent investigated by the Police.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Propaganda? It's an inside view of one side of negotiations. You can't get more biased than that. If you came into the video thinking it was going to be a neutral point of view, you're beyond delusion. They even said it in the video, they don't have to explain any positions. The UK started all of this, and it's on them to start explaining what they want to do. Something they, apparently, have not yet decided.
    Told you this before Slant. Just give us all the benefits of being in the EU but with none of the associated costs. It's pretty simple. :P

  15. #18815
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Propaganda? It's an inside view of one side of negotiations. You can't get more biased than that. If you came into the video thinking it was going to be a neutral point of view, you're beyond delusion. They even said it in the video, they don't have to explain any positions. The UK started all of this, and it's on them to start explaining what they want to do. Something they, apparently, have not yet decided.
    I didn't expect a balanced viewpoint that represents both sides. I agree that would be silly. My point is that you can present one side's argument without these weird propaganda tactics of trying to make you like and identify with the core figure on their side. I'd like to see their side without the emotional manipulation where they show his wife cooking and shit.

    It reminds me of those sob story videos my girlfriend shows me where someone finds a cat missing two legs and it focuses on the emotional hardships the owner deals with as it nurses it back to health. It uses similar documentary tactics designed to elicit an emotional reaction from the viewer. That's what I have a problem with.

  16. #18816
    Quote Originally Posted by dippinsawse View Post
    I didn't expect a balanced viewpoint that represents both sides. I agree that would be silly. My point is that you can present one side's argument without these weird propaganda tactics of trying to make you like and identify with the core figure on their side. I'd like to see their side without the emotional manipulation where they show his wife cooking and shit.
    Who knew TV shows giving some background information on people involved caused this level of anger in some people.

  17. #18817
    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzeeyooo View Post
    Who knew TV shows giving some background information on people involved caused this level of anger in some people.
    Please don't spoil the wokeness.

  18. #18818
    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzeeyooo View Post
    Who knew TV shows giving some background information on people involved caused this level of anger in some people.
    What anger?

    And do you even disagree with my explanation for why the documentary did that? If so, why do you think they did that?

  19. #18819
    Quote Originally Posted by dippinsawse View Post
    What anger?
    Quote Originally Posted by dippinsawse View Post
    I wanted to watch this and get more perspective on the situation but I got like ten minutes into the first video and couldn't stomach it anymore.
    Being physically unable to watch more then 10 mins of a show because it dares to mention that the people involved might have a home life suggests a certain amount of anger.

    Quote Originally Posted by dippinsawse View Post
    And do you even disagree with my explanation for why the documentary did that? If so, why do you think they did that?
    Documentaries showing a human side to the professional people they focus on has been a thing for as long as documentaries have existed.

    If shows focusing on MEPs who actually do work in Europe (unlike the racist twats we like to send who turn up once a month for edited social media clips and then leave again) had done more of this over the last 10-20 years, maybe "faceless Brussels bureaucrats" and other idiotic phrases would be less common in the UK.
    Last edited by Dizzeeyooo; 2019-05-12 at 04:33 PM.

  20. #18820
    Quote Originally Posted by dippinsawse View Post
    I wanted to watch this and get more perspective on the situation but I got like ten minutes into the first video and couldn't stomach it anymore. I know you have good intentions but this shit is such obvious propaganda. How do people see this and not notice the obvious emotional manipulation?

    They haven't explained any positions yet but have devoted several minutes trying to establish silly things to pre program the viewer like how much of a good, normal, likable guy verhoefstadt is...See guys, he's just a down to earth dude who wants to make wine in his country villa and has a loving family and wife who he met and stayed with since he was 17. It's a classic manipulation tactic.
    Here's the EU position right now about UK leaving:

    "Tell us what you want and we'll see if it breaks the 4 pillars.". That's it. You can't make a 2 hour video about what is essentially 1 line.

    The documentary was showing how things are going through the eyes of the EU, how they see it and they see it as bonkers. They see our representatives as devoid of rationality. Especially the dumbfuck who was all "You're the ones screwing Ireland over." talk as if the Tories sent Dribbles to talk to Verhoefstad. Since the guy seemingly didn't know how WTO terms work.

    Or when David Davis basically told them "You'll back down, you always do.".

    The UK during this time made 2 main mistakes. Firstly they treated this part as a negotiation. It never was, it is and always has been a legal process. The negotiations happen next if the UK leaves deal or not. Secondly they either didn't know about WTO terms or they absolutely believed the EU would compromise the 4 pillars over not having a no deal thinking the latter was worse for the EU than the former.

    May herself made many more mistakes. Firstly calling an election and treating it as a sure win instead of going out there to campaign and go to the debates. If she did that she likely would have got more MPs (although seeing how the tories are that might have mean more ERG nutters instead).

    If the EU made any mistakes it was basically being too nice and caring too much how the UK media viewed them, which is shown in the documentary.

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