View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #18841
    I regret not taking your advice @Kronik85
    Last edited by Dizzeeyooo; 2019-05-12 at 07:02 PM.

  2. #18842
    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzeeyooo View Post
    I regret not taking your advice @Kronik85
    I had the misfortune of dealing with dippinsawse in the Notre Dame thread where they insisted that saying Muslims burning down Notre Dame was not a conspiracy theory, despite to this day infact, there being no mention of arson regarding Notre Dame.

    Really not worth your time lol.

  3. #18843
    Quote Originally Posted by dippinsawse View Post
    The point is to follow him? No. This isn't about him, it's about brexit. At best it is to show the negotiations from his perspective but that has nothing to do with his personal life. What value does it provide to show his personal life? How does that reflect on brexit?

    It's crazy how naive you people are about this sort of thing. You think the film crew was just like, "Okay now let's watch as your wife makes dinner, that's good content for this brexit documentary....it will really help people understand the EU's perspective on these negotiations." The film crew spent money and time on that. No, they knew what they were doing. They knew it woudn't inform you on brexit and they knew it would help humanize the EU's side.

    Do you guys see a politician kissing babies and think they just love children? I mean, honestly...I'm disturbed people fall for this and you point it out to them and they still can't grasp it. "It wasn't deliberate and calculated to manipulate the viewer, it was because Mrs verhoefstadt's cooking is relevant to a brexit documentary. You're just a conspiracy theorist."
    We're not naive. We're what you call "adults" and find this documentary interesting, because it gives you an insight into the behind-the-scenes of international negotiations. This is an unprecedented and candid window into the upper echolons of politics that few of us have seen before. Whatever your position is, it is interesting. As it is following only one side of the negotiations, it's clearly biased and adults can take the information conveyed with a grain of salt. Some comments of his were clearly not very diplomatic and more than once I was surprised anyone greenlighted the release of this documentary.

    As for the "propaganda", I'm sorry, what is the new information being presented here? Nothing shown in the documentary is new in any way or form. In fact, the only "revelation" this shows is that Verhofstadt asked pretty much the same questions we've been asking here. All it does is really show that the EU is thinking like we are. Which is reassuring, but not really ideal to "manipulate" us in anything.

    How are you manipulated exactly? I mean, your attack on "showing his personal life" is clearly far fetched and a desparate attempt at ad homineming the whole documentary, but you really ought to work more for your agenda than you're doing now. Which is whinging, in case you hadn't realised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    I had the misfortune of dealing with dippinsawse in the Notre Dame thread where they insisted that saying Muslims burning down Notre Dame was not a conspiracy theory, despite to this day infact, there being no mention of arson regarding Notre Dame.

    Really not worth your time lol.
    Oh, one of those guys... explains his weak ass fantasy arguments.
    “It’s majoritarian, the majority wins, it’s ruled by the majority for the majority – sod the minority. Whereas true democracy includes everybody’s opinion in society,” - Margaret Georgiadou, 2019 about Brexit referendum.
    PSA: Being a volunteer is no excuse to make a shite job of it.

  4. #18844
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    How are you manipulated exactly? I mean, your attack on "showing his personal life" is clearly far fetched and a desparate attempt at ad homineming the whole documentary, but you really ought to work more for your agenda than you're doing now. Which is whinging, in case you hadn't realised.
    It clearly hinders his attempts to pretend those are myterious shadowy figures who conspire to rule the world unseen.

  5. #18845
    Quote Originally Posted by Noradin View Post
    It clearly hinders his attempts to pretend those are myterious shadowy figures who conspire to rule the world unseen.
    Freemasons?
    “It’s majoritarian, the majority wins, it’s ruled by the majority for the majority – sod the minority. Whereas true democracy includes everybody’s opinion in society,” - Margaret Georgiadou, 2019 about Brexit referendum.
    PSA: Being a volunteer is no excuse to make a shite job of it.

  6. #18846
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Freemasons?
    He's obviously talking about the Illuminati! Haven't you heard, ze Germans are ruling Europe again
    Last edited by luckydevours; 2019-05-13 at 02:36 PM.
    Guns don't kill people! Toddlers kill people!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Sulla View Post
    Senator Moore will be sitting in that seat and I hope it burns you to your core.

  7. #18847
    Quote Originally Posted by luckydevours View Post
    He's obviously talking about the Illuminati! Ze Germans are ruling Europe again
    Ewige Blumenkraft!
    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    Brexit: it's the dumbest WWE plotline to ever escape into real-life that can't end soon enough because everyone hates how it started, how it's going and how its going to end.
    Quote Originally Posted by AwkwardSquirtle View Post
    Trebuchets new meta.

  8. #18848
    Quote Originally Posted by AeneasBK View Post
    Ewige Blumenkraft!
    ... und ewige Schlangenkraft!
    Guns don't kill people! Toddlers kill people!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Sulla View Post
    Senator Moore will be sitting in that seat and I hope it burns you to your core.

  9. #18849
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    Quote Originally Posted by AeneasBK View Post
    Ewige Blumenkraft!
    Nova Rock 2019!! \o/
    Quote Originally Posted by ash
    So, look um, I'm not a grief counselor, but if it's any consolation, I have had to kill and bury loved ones before.

    A bunch of times actually.

  10. #18850
    So, are we taking bets on Honda confirming they're going to shut down the Swindon plant being down to Brexit or... ?

    I mean, I was told this wouldn't happen.
    Often updated... ?

  11. #18851
    Fuck me, this is just getting so desperately boring now:

    Tory - Labour talks getting nowhere

    Both Labour & the Tories need to fracture (and get a move on with it) and the fallout is dealt with or there has to be a second referendum. This can't go on.

    With only a couple of exceptions, both front benches should be shipped off to Siberia.

  12. #18852
    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    With only a couple of exceptions, both front benches should be shipped off to Siberia.
    What did Siberia ever do to you?

    But yes, you're not wrong.
    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    Brexit: it's the dumbest WWE plotline to ever escape into real-life that can't end soon enough because everyone hates how it started, how it's going and how its going to end.
    Quote Originally Posted by AwkwardSquirtle View Post
    Trebuchets new meta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    Fuck me, this is just getting so desperately boring now:

    Tory - Labour talks getting nowhere

    Both Labour & the Tories need to fracture (and get a move on with it) and the fallout is dealt with or there has to be a second referendum. This can't go on.

    With only a couple of exceptions, both front benches should be shipped off to Siberia.
    But what then ? a new round of votes in Commons, leading nowhere ? how to push both front benches into second ref ? IMHO you wll have to drag the Tories into referendum by their feet

  14. #18854
    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    Fuck me, this is just getting so desperately boring now:

    Tory - Labour talks getting nowhere

    Both Labour & the Tories need to fracture (and get a move on with it) and the fallout is dealt with or there has to be a second referendum. This can't go on.

    With only a couple of exceptions, both front benches should be shipped off to Siberia.
    Labour to me are dead now while Corbyn is leader. Both them and Conservatives can burn in a fire.

  15. #18855
    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    Labour to me are dead now while Corbyn is leader. Both them and Conservatives can burn in a fire.
    It's a great shame for me really. Was looking forward to a bit of genuine left wing British socialism but can't vote for Labour atm because of the Brexit stance. I'll be voting for any Remain party that performs well in my constituency until this is done in all forth coming elections.

  16. #18856
    Quote Originally Posted by AeneasBK View Post
    What did Siberia ever do to you?
    Yep, fair enough… I’ve never been!

    Quote Originally Posted by ranzino View Post
    But what then ? a new round of votes in Commons, leading nowhere ? how to push both front benches into second ref ? IMHO you wll have to drag the Tories into referendum by their feet
    It’s more - I can’t see how this can be resolved without a second ref? As long as both parties exist under current leadership.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    Labour to me are dead now while Corbyn is leader. Both them and Conservatives can burn in a fire.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    It's a great shame for me really. Was looking forward to a bit of genuine left wing British socialism but can't vote for Labour atm because of the Brexit stance. I'll be voting for any Remain party that performs well in my constituency until this is done in all forth coming elections.
    Yes. Had it not been for Europe, I was v nearly there (not that it’d matter anyway - FPTP)

    Burner will be along shortly to tell me Labour doesn’t need my middle class vote.

    /whispers - little do they know IN SWING SEATS

  17. #18857
    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    It's a great shame for me really. Was looking forward to a bit of genuine left wing British socialism but can't vote for Labour atm because of the Brexit stance. I'll be voting for any Remain party that performs well in my constituency until this is done in all forth coming elections.
    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post

    Yes. Had it not been for Europe, I was v nearly there (not that it’d matter anyway - FPTP)

    Burner will be along shortly to tell me Labour doesn’t need my middle class vote.

    /whispers - little do they know IN SWING SEATS
    It's not just Europe. Honestly the final straw was finding out about Corbyn writing the forward in the Anti semetic book and calling it great. (In before the man with 100001 dupe accounts trying to spin it as not anti semetic).

    Where I live is basically safe for Tories so fuck it. Unless there's a major chance Labour might win here which is highly unlikely I'm just putting my X next to LD/Green/Change from now on. Depending on who has best chance.

  18. #18858
    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    It's not just Europe. Honestly the final straw was finding out about Corbyn writing the forward in the Anti semetic book and calling it great. (In before the man with 100001 dupe accounts trying to spin it as not anti semetic).
    1902 book called "Imperialism: A Study"

    ...remind me, which Jewish empires were active at the time?

    Contemporary notes about empires at the time are mostly interesting from historical perspective; and sure, plenty of authors back then were anti-semitic - plenty of countries had limits on where jewish people could live or where they could work. It's 1902...
    Last edited by Shalcker; 2019-05-14 at 08:04 AM.

  19. #18859
    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    Fuck me, this is just getting so desperately boring now:

    Tory - Labour talks getting nowhere

    Both Labour & the Tories need to fracture (and get a move on with it) and the fallout is dealt with or there has to be a second referendum. This can't go on.

    With only a couple of exceptions, both front benches should be shipped off to Siberia.
    I read through that article and I have to ask, what exactly are you expecting from Labour?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    1902 book called "Imperialism: A Study"

    ...remind me, which Jewish empires were active at the time?

    Contemporary notes about empires at the time are mostly interesting from historical perspective; and sure, plenty of authors back then were anti-semitic - plenty of countries had limits on where jewish people could live or where they could work. It's 1902...
    The racist remarks are even on the wikipedia page... you could've just looked them up, but instead you chose to butt in and make a fool out of yourself, as per usual.

    Also, excusing racism is generally a bad idea, unless you want to be viewed as a racist, then it's really good, well done.
    Quote Originally Posted by ash
    So, look um, I'm not a grief counselor, but if it's any consolation, I have had to kill and bury loved ones before.

    A bunch of times actually.

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