View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #18961
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    I have no issue with highlighting the views of the people who wish to hold a political office however I think the choice to use the words "Target Gay People" was poor to say the least.

    To be honest I liked what LBD did with Farage's march but I think that poster went too far and they have done the right thing by removing it.
    I certainly don't disagree with their choice to remove the poster and issue an apology, it's just sad that they need to worry about this in 2019.

    Gl to 'em anyway, doing sterling work (mostly).

  2. #18962
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    That's not their manifesto though, that's ByDonkeys smear campaign.
    Why is repeating what people have actually said a smear campaign?

    If they don't like seeing their own words, presumably they could just ... not say the words?

  3. #18963
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Thank you, genius. We couldn't tell by the disclaimer at the bottom of the billboard that says "They didn't write a manifesto, so we did it for them".
    Don't call it manifesto then?

    How do views on homosexuality matter one bit in Brexit decision?

    Or that some people will benefit from it, and support it because of that? No shit! And others will be hurt by it and therefore oppose it - should we dismiss them for that reason too? Got to listen only to purely neutral arbiters?

  4. #18964
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    Don't call it manifesto then?
    Is satire prohibited in Russia or something?

    How do views on homosexuality matter one bit in Brexit decision?
    They show she's a reprehensible person who should be kept away from the levers of power.

    Or that some people will benefit from it, and support it because of that? No shit! And others will be hurt by it and therefore oppose it - should we dismiss them for that reason too? Got to listen only to purely neutral arbiters?
    We should dismiss arguments that aren't backed up by facts. So, any pro-Brexit argument really.
    φιλοκαλοῦμέν τε γὰρ μετ᾽ εὐτελείας καὶ φιλοσοφοῦμεν ἄνευ μαλακίας
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  5. #18965
    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    I certainly don't disagree with their choice to remove the poster and issue an apology, it's just sad that they need to worry about this in 2019.

    Gl to 'em anyway, doing sterling work (mostly).
    I think it would be entirely appropriate to put this to Widdecombe in an interview but on a poster where she has no ability to reply especially with that tagline... I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that.

    The 1983 Bermondsey by-election was the most shameful campaign in British political history and to be quite honest it worries me that we are heading the same direction with European elections.

    LBD days putting up posters could well be numbered as we are currently in a regulated election period and as such they should not only be registered with the electoral commission but be subject to spending limits. But I would guess that any breach of spending rules will be unimportant to some.

  6. #18966
    Will england be more for free speech or less after brexit? Its the same though if sweden would leave eu, will we take in more immigrants then?

  7. #18967
    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzeeyooo View Post
    Why is repeating what people have actually said a smear campaign?
    Well, i went to check Farage quote history... and it looks fun.

    In 2010, the European Parliament (that bunch of ELECTED Eurocrats) voted in favour of a series of amendments to the Pregnant Workers Directive 92/85/EU. These provided for, amongst other things, 20 weeks’ maternity leave on full pay. MEP Nigel Farage described the vote as “foolishness”.

    The proposals were blocked in Council. The UK (you’ll probably have guessed) opposed the amendments. Who went along to block them? Vote Leave’s very own Chris Grayling MP: UK Ministers lobby Europe against ‘socially regressive’ maternity proposals

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    In advance of the meeting, Chris Grayling said: __

    “The proposals that MEPs put forward are costly for the UK. They are also socially regressive in that those that are earning the most will benefit the most from this.

    “When Member States are trying to balance their books in difficult times this is the wrong approach to adopt. Other Ministers and I will continue to lobby against these measures as we have done since October. “

    Employment Relations Minister, Edward Davey said:

    “As I have repeatedly made clear, what MEPs have tabled is not the right solution. Minimum standards are important but it should be down to the individual Member States to adopt their own model - not for Europe to dictate this.

    “We have recently launched our own consultation that looks at introducing a fully-flexible and family-friendly solution to parental leave that is tailored to suit the UK. Simply saying 20 weeks at full pay, in a one-size fits all format, is not the way forward. I am sure that other Members States agree with us here.”

    It is estimated that the proposals put forward by the Women’s Rights and Gender Equality and Employment Committee would cost the UK alone more than £2 billion per year.


    Well, if that is entirely in line within Conservative outlook (as seen by Conservative government opposing it), i can see why Brexit Party snatches Conservative votes now...

    If they don't like seeing their own words, presumably they could just ... not say the words?
    But it looks like that particular measure was, indeed, foolish one-size-fits-all regressive solution that was rightfully blocked at Council level... remember, that's 2010, just two years after 2008 crisis...
    Last edited by Shalcker; 2019-05-17 at 05:55 PM.

  8. #18968
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    In advance of the meeting, Chris Grayling said: __
    Feels bad when you need to try and use Grayling to defend Farage

    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    Chris Grayling said: The proposals ... are costly for the UK.
    Ahh, this should be up on billboards all across the UK.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    But it looks like that particular measure was, indeed, foolish one-size-fits-all regressive solution that was rightfully blocked at Council level... remember, that's 2010, just two years after 2008 crisis...
    In your opinion - at the time, the UK standard for maternity leave was 6 weeks at 90% of normal pay, followed by up to 33 weeks at £129 per week before tax (now increased to £149 a week, woo). The fact that we rely on private companies to offer company maternity schemes is pathetic.
    Last edited by Dizzeeyooo; 2019-05-17 at 07:16 PM.

  9. #18969
    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzeeyooo View Post
    Thankfully, old people are gradually dying out
    Nice logic pal. Tell me, who pays more taxes, us the older folk or you brainwashed young generation??.

    What does the UK gain from even being in the EU?. That we couldn't do ourselves?. Answer is nothing.

    You love playing this game that the older generation is destroying your lives when it's the opposite. You the brainwashed generation is giving away our rights because you're too dumb to figure anything out for yourselves.

  10. #18970
    Quote Originally Posted by buckk View Post
    Nice logic pal. Tell me, who pays more taxes, us the older folk or you brainwashed young generation??.

    What does the UK gain from even being in the EU?. That we couldn't do ourselves?. Answer is nothing.

    You love playing this game that the older generation is destroying your lives when it's the opposite. You the brainwashed generation is giving away our rights because you're too dumb to figure anything out for yourselves.
    Why do these accounts only appear when certain, more prominent posters are around...
    Often updated... ?

  11. #18971
    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    Why do these accounts only appear when certain, more prominent posters are around...


    Curious why Farage felt the need to lie about receiving half a million pounds from Banks last night on C4 news - presumably he hadn't checked with Banks if he was allowed to talk about it?

    @dribbles any thoughts?

  12. #18972
    Quote Originally Posted by buckk View Post
    Nice logic pal. Tell me, who pays more taxes, us the older folk or you brainwashed young generation??.
    I don't know! Maybe you could bring us some data and we can find out together.

    Quote Originally Posted by buckk View Post
    What does the UK gain from even being in the EU?. That we couldn't do ourselves?. Answer is nothing.
    Really? I thought it brought economic prosperity, stability and geopolitical relevancy but I'm sure you have some great arguments to explain otherwise.

    Quote Originally Posted by buckk View Post
    You love playing this game that the older generation is destroying your lives when it's the opposite. You the brainwashed generation is giving away our rights because you're too dumb to figure anything out for yourselves.
    Excellent point! Now list those rights the EU has stripped us of please,.I'm.sure you can.


  13. #18973
    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    Really? I thought it brought economic prosperity, stability and geopolitical relevancy but I'm sure you have some great arguments to explain otherwise.
    Don't repeat slogans, say actually what the EU is doing to make our economy great, not what people are telling you. Products costs alot, it also makes you less competitive in the market being in the EU.

    You see, the sign of a smart person is when you can explain shit easily. You on the other hand is a brainwashed puppet.

  14. #18974
    Kronik

    Don't repeat slogans, say actually what the EU is doing to make our economy great, not what other people are telling you. Products costs alot and it also makes you less competitive by being in the EU because you have to follow the same laws and regulations.

    You see, the sign of a smart person is when you can explain shit easily. You on the other hand is a brainwashed puppet.

  15. #18975
    Looks like our resident dupesalot is finally showing his true views now instead of faking.

  16. #18976
    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzeeyooo View Post
    Feels bad when you need to try and use Grayling to defend Farage


    Ahh, this should be up on billboards all across the UK.


    In your opinion - at the time, the UK standard for maternity leave was 6 weeks at 90% of normal pay, followed by up to 33 weeks at £129 per week (now increased to £149 a week, woo). The fact that we rely on private companies to offer company maternity schemes is pathetic.
    Atleast you got longer maternity leave.. dutchieland (I totally dislike that countries politicians for many reasons - not to forget its a quite dull country landscape wise) has almost no maternity leave.
    ''With this attack, we have no choice but to protect our kind by unleashing our almighty weapon upon them. Summoning the Apocalypse'' - Stellaris Apocalypse trailer.

  17. #18977
    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzeeyooo View Post
    Feels bad when you need to try and use Grayling to defend Farage
    I know even less about him then Farage... at least Farage occasionally was going through my usual channels.

    In your opinion - at the time, the UK standard for maternity leave was 6 weeks at 90% of normal pay, followed by up to 33 weeks at £129 per week (now increased to £149 a week, woo). The fact that we rely on private companies to offer company maternity schemes is pathetic.
    In Conservative opinion. I got no idea if UK could actually afford 2 Billion £ extra for maternity leave back in 2010; i do have idea that Conservative austerity policies aren't (and weren't) exactly popular...

    Looks like it would be about 1% increase on social spending? But given that they did 6.2 Billion £ cuts to reduce government borrowing it was obviously tough sell...

  18. #18978
    Quote Originally Posted by buckk View Post
    Kronik

    Don't repeat slogans, say actually what the EU is doing to make our economy great, not what other people are telling you. Products costs alot and it also makes you less competitive by being in the EU because you have to follow the same laws and regulations.

    You see, the sign of a smart person is when you can explain shit easily. You on the other hand is a brainwashed puppet.
    buckk

    The mark of a smart person is to bring data to back up there assertions and not mindlessly repeat what they heard Nigel Farage say.

    I asked you for data, now bring some.


  19. #18979
    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    buckk

    The mark of a smart person is to bring data to back up there assertions and not mindlessly repeat what they heard Nigel Farage say.

    I asked you for data, now bring some.

    Logically, what does the EU do to improve the economy. if you can't answer a simple question then it's best you keep quiet.

  20. #18980
    Kronik

    Stop making yourself look dumb. Answer logically, what does the EU do to improve the economy?. I'll tell you once you managed to figure it out by yourself.

    If you can't answer a simple question then it's best you keep quiet.

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