View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #19061
    Quote Originally Posted by Fuiking View Post
    Damn that Paul Crowther should be arrested and tickled to death by Dribbles for wasting a Salted Caramel Milkshake.. damn!
    The problem with these radicalised remainers celebrating this milkshaking is they don't know when to stop.

    https://twitter.com/andywigmore/stat...78076105084928

    I hope the police prosecute the perpetrator, and those that incite them to carry out these attacks, to the fullest.

  2. #19062
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    I hope the police prosecute the perpetrator, and those that incite them to carry out these attacks, to the fullest.
    Wouldn't that be Burger King?
    Quote Originally Posted by AeneasBK View Post
    Damnit hubcap, you are such a retard.
    Quote Originally Posted by mojusk View Post
    Oh, and stop being a "didn't do that in vanilla"-police. If we're doing something now that we didnt do back then, it's not because we had some sorta unwritten moral code back then, it's because we hadn't thought of it yet.

  3. #19063
    Saying that throwing a milkshake at Farage is the wrong thing to do is not bloody well defending the man. It is just pointing out that "disagreeing" with a politician by throwing things at them is the wrong thing to do in a democracy.

    Just as freedom of speech applies to people I neither like nor agree with. What a person deserves and what civilized democracy will do to them are two very different things.

  4. #19064
    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    I'm not sure, I'm genuinely not sure.

    I do not think that Remain should be eager to give away the moral high ground.

    Morality is what separates us from the likes of Mair.

    In short: I don't think this will be anything other than a galvanising force for those on the hard right to think of / do much worse.

    What's more powerful and relevant? A Led By Donkeys billboard or throwing a milkshake?
    Oh, Led By Donkeys for sure. But make no mistake, neither LbD nor milkshakes will change anything about extremists. Not one thing. Everything they do is to spite you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gibblewink View Post
    Saying that throwing a milkshake at Farage is the wrong thing to do is not bloody well defending the man. It is just pointing out that "disagreeing" with a politician by throwing things at them is the wrong thing to do in a democracy.

    Just as freedom of speech applies to people I neither like nor agree with. What a person deserves and what civilized democracy will do to them are two very different things.
    Yep, one group throws milkshakes, the other just kills politicians. Throwing food at politicians is as old as politics. It's not a problem. It's a friendly hint that these politicians are rotten assholes. What's troubling is if the mob starts getting the actual pitchforks out and guillotines are being erected.

    Until that day, how about we chill out with a best of compilation of politicians being hit by edible stuff...



    Seriously, getting all dramatic about this... with Farage no less, that's just wrong. He's lucky that wasn't me. I'd have pissed in the cup and stuffed his silly face with it.
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  5. #19065
    Is my browser scuffed or do we have 10 ghost pages at the moment?

  6. #19066
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    No, you're quite right, 10 non-existent pages are showing for me as well.

  7. #19067
    Who got deleted this time?

  8. #19068
    The right: The persistent, vicious and coordinated abuse of women in public life = just a joke.

    Also the right: throwing a milkshake at someone they like = literal crime of the century

  9. #19069
    This thread WILL make it to a thousand pages goddamnit Stop getting yourselves permabanned and account deleted chrissakes people.
    Quote Originally Posted by AeneasBK View Post
    Damnit hubcap, you are such a retard.
    Quote Originally Posted by mojusk View Post
    Oh, and stop being a "didn't do that in vanilla"-police. If we're doing something now that we didnt do back then, it's not because we had some sorta unwritten moral code back then, it's because we hadn't thought of it yet.

  10. #19070
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    The problem with these radicalised remainers celebrating this milkshaking is they don't know when to stop.

    https://twitter.com/andywigmore/stat...78076105084928

    I hope the police prosecute the perpetrator, and those that incite them to carry out these attacks, to the fullest.
    I was sarcastic Dribbles.
    ''With this attack, we have no choice but to protect our kind by unleashing our almighty weapon upon them. Summoning the Apocalypse'' - Stellaris Apocalypse trailer.

  11. #19071
    Quote Originally Posted by Fuiking View Post
    I was sarcastic Dribbles.
    No no, I know you were but some are more serious than you friend and your tickly suggestion

    Some extreme remainers would love and celebrate, are a hairs breadth from incitement, an escalation from milkshakes to something far more sinister.

    Was just exposing that...

    Democracy only works when the losers accept they lost, as they will again on Thursday's confirmatory Brexit vote, but will they accept it this time? Or call for yet another peoples vote, how many more losses do they need?

    Let's face it when even Donald Tusks best mate interfering in London is standing as an MEP for Mr 3% Chukkas CUK, when Farages BXP gets ten times as many votes will they still not get it?

    Chief Eurocrat Donald Tusk meddles in British politics backing pro-EU Change UK who want to cancel Brexit

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit...jan-rostowski/

    You can understand how moderates like me find some people so fanatical, and the steps they are prepared to take, about remaining in the EU.

  12. #19072
    Moderate? you? You wanted a war with the EU, you want to execute Remainers etc, that aint moderate, thats extreme
    ''With this attack, we have no choice but to protect our kind by unleashing our almighty weapon upon them. Summoning the Apocalypse'' - Stellaris Apocalypse trailer.

  13. #19073
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    moderates like me
    You really need to stop trying to troll people with this.

  14. #19074
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Democracy only works when the losers accept they lost, as they will again on Thursday's confirmatory Brexit vote
    You'd know all about being wrong, wouldn't you? Remember this little gem back in March?

    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Except inadvertently Bercow has ruled out the return of May's deal, so that leaves, hip hip hooray, no deal. Finally.

    Now it's settled anyone got any celebratory plans for Brexiteve?

    Tick tock....
    Top kek, indeed.

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    Since there seem to be quite a few monocles popping out at the efforts of people to lactose the intolerant, I'd like to share an article that I think has some very salient points.

    The biggest topic in British political circles on Monday wasn’t the country’s impending departure from the European Union. It was milkshakes—or, rather, one milkshake in particular that was lobbed by a bystander in Newcastle at Nigel Farage, a Brexit Party candidate in the European Parliament elections later this week.

    Farage, the spiritual leader of the Brexit movement, quickly used the lactic confrontation to blame politicians who oppose him. “Sadly some remainers have become radicalised, to the extent that normal campaigning is becoming impossible,” he wrote on Twitter shortly after the incident. “For a civilised democracy to work you need the losers consent, politicians not accepting the referendum result have led us to this.”

    The former UKIP Leader isn’t alone. In recent weeks, other far-right figures running for European Parliament seats have been met with dairy-centric direct action. Anti-racist protesters have targeted Tommy Robinson, the former leader of the English Defense League, with milkshakes on multiple occasions. Carl Benjamin, an alt-right YouTube personality who said last month he “wouldn’t even rape” a woman running against him, has been milkshaked (milkshaken?) four times in the past week.

    Throwing a milkshake at someone is rude at worst. It may also qualify as assault in some jurisdictions, especially in the United States. British political and media figures condemned the incidents. Prime Minister Theresa May’s office said that politicians “should be able to go about their work and campaign without harassment, intimidation and abuse.” Tim Farron, the leader of the pro-Europe Liberal Democrats, said, “I’m not laughing along with the attack on Farage. Violence and intimidation are wrong no matter who they’re aimed at. On top of that, it just makes the man a martyr, it’s playing into his hands.”

    What these critiques misunderstand is why milkshaking is so potent against Farage and his brethren: It humiliates them. Nothing animates the far right or shapes its worldview quite so much as the desire to humiliate others—and the fear of being humiliated themselves. It’s why alt-right trolls, projecting their own sexual insecurities, enjoy calling their opponents “cucks.” It’s why they rally around blustery authoritarian figures like Donald Trump who cast themselves as beyond embarrassment, shame, or ridicule. They brandish humiliation like a weapon while craving release from it.

    Getting doused in a milkshake robs far-right figures of the air of chauvinistic invulnerability that they spend so much time cultivating. They hunger to be taken seriously despite their racist views. They want to be described as dapper, to be interviewed on evening news broadcasts and weekend talk-show panels, and to be seen as a legitimate participant in the democratic process. Most politicians to the left of Enoch Powell would brush off milkshaking as a harmless stunt. For those seeking mainstream legitimacy, it’s another searing reminder that they don’t belong.
    Bolded for emphasis. This isn't an unsupported argument, either - part of the reason why the far right tries to delegitimize a free press is because it is unable to withstand ridicule. The ideology is based on a suspension of rationality and buying into banal, emotional impulses; so when that aura of mystique is disrupted by satire or mockery, it loses its effectiveness.

    All it takes is one milkshake to turn "Our Nigel" into a sad, lactose-soaked old man being escorted back to his car for a binky and a hot chocolate. So stop your pearl clutching, it's not like they're driving a car into a rally or shooting someone in the head.

    Delenda Est.

  15. #19075

  16. #19076
    Oh wow, looks like the UK might have a stay of execution.

    Don't fuck this up, Brits.

    Delenda Est.

  17. #19077
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Oh wow, looks like the UK might have a stay of execution.

    Don't fuck this up, Brits.
    If there is one thing we know how to do as a country, it's fuck up

  18. #19078
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Oh wow, looks like the UK might have a stay of execution.

    Don't fuck this up, Brits.
    Not really. MPs will get to a vote on whether to have a vote. People's Vote MPs do not command a majority in the House of Commons.

  19. #19079
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Bolded for emphasis. This isn't an unsupported argument, either - part of the reason why the far right tries to delegitimize a free press is because it is unable to withstand ridicule. The ideology is based on a suspension of rationality and buying into banal, emotional impulses; so when that aura of mystique is disrupted by satire or mockery, it loses its effectiveness.
    How is that supported though?

    Are you sure that's how it works? There are plenty of thoroughly satirized movements that still exist and still attract new members. I'm sure both Labour and Conservatives had plenty of satire aimed at them, and i'm not seeing how far right are somehow particularly vulnerable - and there are plenty of intelligent variations to choose from for those that want rational right-wing arguments. Sure, most aren't interested in them but they do exist.

    And sometimes people take mean-spirited "satire" badly too... like with Charlie Hebdo.

  20. #19080
    So yeah, not much there really. As a piece of strategy, it is probably foolhardy in the traditional Theresa May way: Offering too little to bring opponents over, but enough to lose some of those who might have supported her from her side.
    Seems pretty accurate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    What these critiques misunderstand is why milkshaking is so potent against Farage and his brethren: It humiliates them. Nothing animates the far right or shapes its worldview quite so much as the desire to humiliate others—and the fear of being humiliated themselves. It’s why alt-right trolls, projecting their own sexual insecurities, enjoy calling their opponents “cucks.” It’s why they rally around blustery authoritarian figures like Donald Trump who cast themselves as beyond embarrassment, shame, or ridicule. They brandish humiliation like a weapon while craving release from it.

    Getting doused in a milkshake robs far-right figures of the air of chauvinistic invulnerability that they spend so much time cultivating. They hunger to be taken seriously despite their racist views. They want to be described as dapper, to be interviewed on evening news broadcasts and weekend talk-show panels, and to be seen as a legitimate participant in the democratic process. Most politicians to the left of Enoch Powell would brush off milkshaking as a harmless stunt. For those seeking mainstream legitimacy, it’s another searing reminder that they don’t belong.
    Amen, as comparing Farage's reaction to Ed Miliband's egging clearly shows. The actual politician takes his jacket off, laughs and carries on, while the fascist gets angry and leaves immediately while raging at his Arron Banks funded security team.
    Last edited by Dizzeeyooo; 2019-05-21 at 05:01 PM.

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