View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #19081
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    A fool is someone who proposes the same thing over and over again and yet expects a different result.

    Remainers, Theresa May and fools have much in common. Ergo this "new" bill will not pass = no chance of another referendum.

    Bye Theresa.

  2. #19082
    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzeeyooo View Post
    Seems pretty accurate.

    Amen, as comparing Farage's reaction to Ed Miliband's egging clearly shows. The actual politician takes his jacket off, laughs and carries on, while the fascist gets angry and leaves immediately while raging at his Arron Banks funded security team.
    Fraser Anning, Donald Trump, etc.

    It's almost as if fascists tend to be narcissistic little men with inferiority complexes.

    Delenda Est.

  3. #19083
    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzeeyooo View Post
    Amen, as comparing Farage's reaction to Ed Miliband's egging clearly shows. The actual politician takes his jacket off, laughs and carries on, while the fascist gets angry and leaves immediately while raging at his Arron Banks funded security team.
    And where does that put Jezza?

  4. #19084
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    A fool is someone who proposes the same thing over and over again and yet expects a different result.

    Remainers, Theresa May and fools have much in common. Ergo this "new" bill will not pass = no chance of another referendum.

    Bye Theresa.
    Excellent. So since no-deal has already been voted down in Parliament, that leaves only two options; second referendum, or cancel Article 50. Since the Brexit crew are losing heavily in polls pitching Remain against either May's deal or no-deal, those mean basically the same thing.

    So, shall we just cancel Article 50 right now, and then you can all go back to whining about how unfair it is for the rest of time? That would save time and money for all of us.
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  5. #19085
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    A fool is someone who proposes the same thing over and over again and yet expects a different result.

    Remainers, Theresa May and fools have much in common. Ergo this "new" bill will not pass = no chance of another referendum.

    Bye Theresa.
    To be fair dribs if you were actually serious about Brexit you would be cheering for this bill. Completely rules out a People's Vote because it would lose in a Commons vote and you would get your Brexit. But just as it has been from the get go it will be Brexiteers that fuck this up, not Remainers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flarelaine View Post
    And where does that put Jezza?
    No audio and no security to shout at. Certainly doesn't take it with grace though and the guy got 28 days. Not sure whether Corbyn pressed charges or not, the Police can and will prosecute regardless if they think it's a slam dunk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    Excellent. So since no-deal has already been voted down in Parliament, that leaves only two options; second referendum, or cancel Article 50. Since the Brexit crew are losing heavily in polls pitching Remain against either May's deal or no-deal, those mean basically the same thing.

    So, shall we just cancel Article 50 right now, and then you can all go back to whining about how unfair it is for the rest of time? That would save time and money for all of us.
    No deal is the default position voted for into law by parliament should no EU agreement be forthcoming by October 31st. No no-deal has not been voted into law.

    Whatcha talkin bout Willis?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    To be fair dribs if you were actually serious about Brexit you would be cheering for this bill. Completely rules out a People's Vote because it would lose in a Commons vote and you would get your Brexit. But just as it has been from the get go it will be Brexiteers that fuck this up, not Remainers.
    Oh we will still get our Brexit, I'm not worried about that as all roads lead there, but the worst PM in history has to go first...

  7. #19087
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    No deal is the default position voted for into law by parliament should no EU agreement be forthcoming by October 31st. No no-deal has not been voted into law.

    Whatcha talkin bout Willis?
    If the EUMP elections are a "confirmatory vote" on Brexit then Parliament's resolution against a no-deal Brexit is the default position.

    Your logic, not ours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Oh we will still get our Brexit, I'm not worried about that as all roads lead there, but the worst PM in history has to go first...


    Wasn't Brexit supposed to happen two months ago?

    Delenda Est.

  8. #19088
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    No deal is the default position voted for into law by parliament should no EU agreement be forthcoming by October 31st. No no-deal has not been voted into law.

    Whatcha talkin bout Willis?



    Oh we will still get our Brexit, I'm not worried about that as all roads lead there, but the worst PM in history has to go first...
    You don't get no-deal. You seem happy not to get a deal. I'm sorry, but all that's left is cancelling Article 50. Saying that it's the default when you know that there is a majority against it in Parliament is disingenuous at best. Sure, if nothing happens between now and the end of October, that's what happens. But there is no way Parliament sits and does nothing while that happens, and you know it.

    You've lost dribbles. You've wasted an enormous amount of this countries time, effort and energy, but the end result is that you've lost and we won't leave. Cheer up, this is the best result for you. You can carry on whining about how you were cheated and how wonderful Brexit would have been and nobody can prove that you are still talking out of your arse. Whereas if we leave and the inevitable chaos occurs, you will have no choice but to own the failure.

    This is your get out of jail free card. You should be happy.
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  9. #19089
    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    You don't get no-deal. You seem happy not to get a deal. I'm sorry, but all that's left is cancelling Article 50. Saying that it's the default when you know that there is a majority against it in Parliament is disingenuous at best. Sure, if nothing happens between now and the end of October, that's what happens. But there is no way Parliament sits and does nothing while that happens, and you know it.

    You've lost dribbles. You've wasted an enormous amount of this countries time, effort and energy, but the end result is that you've lost and we won't leave. Cheer up, this is the best result for you. You can carry on whining about how you were cheated and how wonderful Brexit would have been and nobody can prove that you are still talking out of your arse. Whereas if we leave and the inevitable chaos occurs, you will have no choice but to own the failure.

    This is your get out of jail free card. You should be happy.
    I wouldn't be so sure of that. They rejected every single option on the table when they got to vote on it, and there hasn't been much signs the situation will change since.

  10. #19090
    Quote Originally Posted by zealo View Post
    I wouldn't be so sure of that. They rejected every single option on the table when they got to vote on it, and there hasn't been much signs the situation will change since.
    There's unlikely to be a majority for any option unless the sitting government supports it.

    The problem is that any government that makes a firm decision on the matter isn't likely to last very long. Catch 22.

    Delenda Est.

  11. #19091
    Quote Originally Posted by zealo View Post
    I wouldn't be so sure of that. They rejected every single option on the table when they got to vote on it, and there hasn't been much signs the situation will change since.
    They got a bill through Parliament in less than a week to force the PM to request another extension and prevent a no-deal exit back in April though.

  12. #19092
    Quote Originally Posted by Butler to Baby Sloths View Post
    They got a bill through Parliament in less than a week to force the PM to request another extension and prevent a no-deal exit back in April though.
    And that was when it was still theoretically three possible outcomes and a lot of political manoevering. If it comes down to a straight vote to choose between no-deal and cancelling Article 50, it won't even be close. I would be amazed if it were less than 100 majority in favour of stopping Brexit in that instance. It could easily be a lot higher.

    Dribbles sees all this as good news, because it will force the issue. I don't know why he ignores the Parliamentary maths around this; maybe he prefers to stay ignorantly happy in his little Brexit bubble with all the unicorns?

    Like a dinosaur, his Brexit is already dead. The confirmation of this just hasn't made its way up to the tiny pea-brain at the other end of the body.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    And that was when it was still theoretically three possible outcomes and a lot of political manoevering. If it comes down to a straight vote to choose between no-deal and cancelling Article 50, it won't even be close. I would be amazed if it were less than 100 majority in favour of stopping Brexit in that instance. It could easily be a lot higher.

    Dribbles sees all this as good news, because it will force the issue. I don't know why he ignores the Parliamentary maths around this; maybe he prefers to stay ignorantly happy in his little Brexit bubble with all the unicorns?

    Like a dinosaur, his Brexit is already dead. The confirmation of this just hasn't made its way up to the tiny pea-brain at the other end of the body.
    Alternative Parliamentary Maths says there is a majority in the Commons for it :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    And that was when it was still theoretically three possible outcomes and a lot of political manoevering. If it comes down to a straight vote to choose between no-deal and cancelling Article 50, it won't even be close. I would be amazed if it were less than 100 majority in favour of stopping Brexit in that instance. It could easily be a lot higher.

    Dribbles sees all this as good news, because it will force the issue. I don't know why he ignores the Parliamentary maths around this; maybe he prefers to stay ignorantly happy in his little Brexit bubble with all the unicorns?

    Like a dinosaur, his Brexit is already dead. The confirmation of this just hasn't made its way up to the tiny pea-brain at the other end of the body.
    Nope, she has to go now, I can't say it enough times.

    Then,

    1. Boris Johnson coronation.
    2. General Election as poor Boris no longer has a majority in the House.
    3. Labour and Tory leave voting marginals elect Brexit party MP's kicking out current remainer incumbents that have betrayed their electorate.
    4. Tories align with 50 ish Farage BXP MP's to form a government.
    5. Bye Bye EU

    You read it here first, remember that, you can thank me later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    3. Labour and Tory leave voting marginals elect Brexit party MP's kicking out current remainer incumbents that have betrayed their electorate.
    Which are the 50 ish constituencies where the Brexit Party stands a chance to get the majority of votes?
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    A bunch of times actually.

  16. #19096
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Nope, she has to go now, I can't say it enough times.

    Then,

    1. Boris Johnson coronation.
    2. General Election as poor Boris no longer has a majority in the House.
    3. Labour and Tory leave voting marginals elect Brexit party MP's kicking out current remainer incumbents that have betrayed their electorate.
    4. Tories align with 50 ish Farage BXP MP's to form a government.
    5. Bye Bye EU

    You read it here first, remember that, you can thank me later.
    We still need to thank you for your entirely correct prediction of a crash out Brexit on March 20th.

    Delenda Est.

  17. #19097
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    We still need to thank you for your entirely correct prediction of a crash out Brexit on March 20th.
    Yeah, but the worrying thing is that I really don't see that scenario as being completely implausible.

    But - it will be at that point that I start throwing milkshakes.

  18. #19098
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Nope, she has to go now, I can't say it enough times.

    Then,

    1. Boris Johnson coronation.
    2. General Election as poor Boris no longer has a majority in the House.
    3. Labour and Tory leave voting marginals elect Brexit party MP's kicking out current remainer incumbents that have betrayed their electorate.
    4. Tories align with 50 ish Farage BXP MP's to form a government.
    5. Bye Bye EU

    You read it here first, remember that, you can thank me later.
    Elect Brexit MPs? That's a bit optimistic, bearing in mind that they currently have literally 1 thing in their manifesto. They might get away with that going into the EU elections, but you can see from the polls already that their support more than halves if it comes to a GE. So they are not only going to have to come up with some actual stances to take on other things (which will drive voters away) they are also going to have to raise money to run in a GE while under VERY close scrutiny from the Electoral Commission (which Farage said today he wants to get rid of....I wonder why?)

    And that's ignoring the fact that the Brexit party, once it starts to take other positions, is going to be in more danger of fracturing than any other party. Where do they stand on private v public ownership? Bank reform? Education? They will have to pick positions on all of them, and the chances of the disparate supporters all being happy to ignore the other shit they come up with just to continue to support Brexit is going to be pretty slim.

    They are going to get a third of the votes in the EU election. If they can keep the party from falling apart for a GE, they MIGHT get 10-15%. But since the likelyhood is that they will stand on a manifesto that sits to the right of the Tories, most of those votes are going to come from the Tories. Leaving Labour and the centre parties to form a majority in any Parliament that results. And that's assuming that the Tories allow a GE to happen. If as expected it is that damaging to them, they will probably want to delay it as much as possible, especially if the fallout from cancelling Article 50 is bad for them.

    Any way you slice it, it really isn't simple. And it really isn't good for your people. A new leader won't save it. A GE won't save it. Dream all you like, it's almost over now. And from your point of view the ending is going to be more disappointing than GoT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    Elect Brexit MPs? That's a bit optimistic, bearing in mind that they currently have literally 1 thing in their manifesto. They might get away with that going into the EU elections, but you can see from the polls already that their support more than halves if it comes to a GE....<SNIP>
    That's a no too. It is very very simple...



    Compared to EU election polling...



    https://www.opinium.co.uk/political-...14th-may-2019/

    Halved you say? Dozens of BXP seats in a general election, holding the balance of power, are entirely possible. It is not just me saying it and the pollsters confirm it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    That's a no too. It is very very simple...



    Compared to EU election polling...



    https://www.opinium.co.uk/political-...14th-may-2019/

    Halved you say? Dozens of BXP seats in a general election, holding the balance of power, are entirely possible. It is not just me saying it and the pollsters confirm it.
    And as I said...that's with no manifesto. The second this joke of a one-trick party starts to make policy decisions that go beyond "do Brexit and magic will happen" that number will start dropping. And judging from the kind of people involved in the party, the policy decisions they make are going to be stupid, dangerous and unworkable. And probably fascist. I stand by my view that you will be lucky to get 10-15% in a GE once those policy decisions are made. Assuming that they don't do anything stupid with their funding that gets them banned from the election entirely. I rate that at about a 50-50 chance.

    And even if they did hold a "balance of power", what does that mean? That other parties would side with them in going for a no-deal Brexit that would take them down with the Brexit party? It would be Brexit party and whatever is left of the ERG on one side, and everyone else on the other. Even if your numbers held up that won't give you enough to get what you want. It just isn't going to happen.

    Let it go dribbles. It's the only way you can ever hope to recover your sanity.

    [Edit] I thought those numbers for the GE looked a bit off. Picked pretty much the only outlier poll that showed Brexit that high, eh? More dishonesty from a rank dishonest poster. Apart from that Opinium poll, most of the rest of the recent polls show them around 18%. Which is about half, as I said. It would be nice to have an honest discussion with you for once, but you just can't manage that, can you?
    Last edited by Huehuecoyotl; 2019-05-21 at 10:07 PM.
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