View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #19081
    Quote Originally Posted by Fuiking View Post
    I was sarcastic Dribbles.
    No no, I know you were but some are more serious than you friend and your tickly suggestion

    Some extreme remainers would love and celebrate, are a hairs breadth from incitement, an escalation from milkshakes to something far more sinister.

    Was just exposing that...

    Democracy only works when the losers accept they lost, as they will again on Thursday's confirmatory Brexit vote, but will they accept it this time? Or call for yet another peoples vote, how many more losses do they need?

    Let's face it when even Donald Tusks best mate interfering in London is standing as an MEP for Mr 3% Chukkas CUK, when Farages BXP gets ten times as many votes will they still not get it?

    Chief Eurocrat Donald Tusk meddles in British politics backing pro-EU Change UK who want to cancel Brexit

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit...jan-rostowski/

    You can understand how moderates like me find some people so fanatical, and the steps they are prepared to take, about remaining in the EU.

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    Moderate? you? You wanted a war with the EU, you want to execute Remainers etc, that aint moderate, thats extreme
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  3. #19083
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    moderates like me
    You really need to stop trying to troll people with this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Democracy only works when the losers accept they lost, as they will again on Thursday's confirmatory Brexit vote
    You'd know all about being wrong, wouldn't you? Remember this little gem back in March?

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    Except inadvertently Bercow has ruled out the return of May's deal, so that leaves, hip hip hooray, no deal. Finally.

    Now it's settled anyone got any celebratory plans for Brexiteve?

    Tick tock....
    Top kek, indeed.

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    Since there seem to be quite a few monocles popping out at the efforts of people to lactose the intolerant, I'd like to share an article that I think has some very salient points.

    The biggest topic in British political circles on Monday wasn’t the country’s impending departure from the European Union. It was milkshakes—or, rather, one milkshake in particular that was lobbed by a bystander in Newcastle at Nigel Farage, a Brexit Party candidate in the European Parliament elections later this week.

    Farage, the spiritual leader of the Brexit movement, quickly used the lactic confrontation to blame politicians who oppose him. “Sadly some remainers have become radicalised, to the extent that normal campaigning is becoming impossible,” he wrote on Twitter shortly after the incident. “For a civilised democracy to work you need the losers consent, politicians not accepting the referendum result have led us to this.”

    The former UKIP Leader isn’t alone. In recent weeks, other far-right figures running for European Parliament seats have been met with dairy-centric direct action. Anti-racist protesters have targeted Tommy Robinson, the former leader of the English Defense League, with milkshakes on multiple occasions. Carl Benjamin, an alt-right YouTube personality who said last month he “wouldn’t even rape” a woman running against him, has been milkshaked (milkshaken?) four times in the past week.

    Throwing a milkshake at someone is rude at worst. It may also qualify as assault in some jurisdictions, especially in the United States. British political and media figures condemned the incidents. Prime Minister Theresa May’s office said that politicians “should be able to go about their work and campaign without harassment, intimidation and abuse.” Tim Farron, the leader of the pro-Europe Liberal Democrats, said, “I’m not laughing along with the attack on Farage. Violence and intimidation are wrong no matter who they’re aimed at. On top of that, it just makes the man a martyr, it’s playing into his hands.”

    What these critiques misunderstand is why milkshaking is so potent against Farage and his brethren: It humiliates them. Nothing animates the far right or shapes its worldview quite so much as the desire to humiliate others—and the fear of being humiliated themselves. It’s why alt-right trolls, projecting their own sexual insecurities, enjoy calling their opponents “cucks.” It’s why they rally around blustery authoritarian figures like Donald Trump who cast themselves as beyond embarrassment, shame, or ridicule. They brandish humiliation like a weapon while craving release from it.

    Getting doused in a milkshake robs far-right figures of the air of chauvinistic invulnerability that they spend so much time cultivating. They hunger to be taken seriously despite their racist views. They want to be described as dapper, to be interviewed on evening news broadcasts and weekend talk-show panels, and to be seen as a legitimate participant in the democratic process. Most politicians to the left of Enoch Powell would brush off milkshaking as a harmless stunt. For those seeking mainstream legitimacy, it’s another searing reminder that they don’t belong.
    Bolded for emphasis. This isn't an unsupported argument, either - part of the reason why the far right tries to delegitimize a free press is because it is unable to withstand ridicule. The ideology is based on a suspension of rationality and buying into banal, emotional impulses; so when that aura of mystique is disrupted by satire or mockery, it loses its effectiveness.

    All it takes is one milkshake to turn "Our Nigel" into a sad, lactose-soaked old man being escorted back to his car for a binky and a hot chocolate. So stop your pearl clutching, it's not like they're driving a car into a rally or shooting someone in the head.
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    Oh wow, looks like the UK might have a stay of execution.

    Don't fuck this up, Brits.
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  7. #19087
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Oh wow, looks like the UK might have a stay of execution.

    Don't fuck this up, Brits.
    If there is one thing we know how to do as a country, it's fuck up
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  8. #19088
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Oh wow, looks like the UK might have a stay of execution.

    Don't fuck this up, Brits.
    Not really. MPs will get to a vote on whether to have a vote. People's Vote MPs do not command a majority in the House of Commons.

  9. #19089
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Bolded for emphasis. This isn't an unsupported argument, either - part of the reason why the far right tries to delegitimize a free press is because it is unable to withstand ridicule. The ideology is based on a suspension of rationality and buying into banal, emotional impulses; so when that aura of mystique is disrupted by satire or mockery, it loses its effectiveness.
    How is that supported though?

    Are you sure that's how it works? There are plenty of thoroughly satirized movements that still exist and still attract new members. I'm sure both Labour and Conservatives had plenty of satire aimed at them, and i'm not seeing how far right are somehow particularly vulnerable - and there are plenty of intelligent variations to choose from for those that want rational right-wing arguments. Sure, most aren't interested in them but they do exist.

    And sometimes people take mean-spirited "satire" badly too... like with Charlie Hebdo.

  10. #19090
    So yeah, not much there really. As a piece of strategy, it is probably foolhardy in the traditional Theresa May way: Offering too little to bring opponents over, but enough to lose some of those who might have supported her from her side.
    Seems pretty accurate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    What these critiques misunderstand is why milkshaking is so potent against Farage and his brethren: It humiliates them. Nothing animates the far right or shapes its worldview quite so much as the desire to humiliate others—and the fear of being humiliated themselves. It’s why alt-right trolls, projecting their own sexual insecurities, enjoy calling their opponents “cucks.” It’s why they rally around blustery authoritarian figures like Donald Trump who cast themselves as beyond embarrassment, shame, or ridicule. They brandish humiliation like a weapon while craving release from it.

    Getting doused in a milkshake robs far-right figures of the air of chauvinistic invulnerability that they spend so much time cultivating. They hunger to be taken seriously despite their racist views. They want to be described as dapper, to be interviewed on evening news broadcasts and weekend talk-show panels, and to be seen as a legitimate participant in the democratic process. Most politicians to the left of Enoch Powell would brush off milkshaking as a harmless stunt. For those seeking mainstream legitimacy, it’s another searing reminder that they don’t belong.
    Amen, as comparing Farage's reaction to Ed Miliband's egging clearly shows. The actual politician takes his jacket off, laughs and carries on, while the fascist gets angry and leaves immediately while raging at his Arron Banks funded security team.
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  11. #19091
    A fool is someone who proposes the same thing over and over again and yet expects a different result.

    Remainers, Theresa May and fools have much in common. Ergo this "new" bill will not pass = no chance of another referendum.

    Bye Theresa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzeeyooo View Post
    Seems pretty accurate.

    Amen, as comparing Farage's reaction to Ed Miliband's egging clearly shows. The actual politician takes his jacket off, laughs and carries on, while the fascist gets angry and leaves immediately while raging at his Arron Banks funded security team.
    Fraser Anning, Donald Trump, etc.

    It's almost as if fascists tend to be narcissistic little men with inferiority complexes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzeeyooo View Post
    Amen, as comparing Farage's reaction to Ed Miliband's egging clearly shows. The actual politician takes his jacket off, laughs and carries on, while the fascist gets angry and leaves immediately while raging at his Arron Banks funded security team.
    And where does that put Jezza?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    A fool is someone who proposes the same thing over and over again and yet expects a different result.

    Remainers, Theresa May and fools have much in common. Ergo this "new" bill will not pass = no chance of another referendum.

    Bye Theresa.
    Excellent. So since no-deal has already been voted down in Parliament, that leaves only two options; second referendum, or cancel Article 50. Since the Brexit crew are losing heavily in polls pitching Remain against either May's deal or no-deal, those mean basically the same thing.

    So, shall we just cancel Article 50 right now, and then you can all go back to whining about how unfair it is for the rest of time? That would save time and money for all of us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    A fool is someone who proposes the same thing over and over again and yet expects a different result.

    Remainers, Theresa May and fools have much in common. Ergo this "new" bill will not pass = no chance of another referendum.

    Bye Theresa.
    To be fair dribs if you were actually serious about Brexit you would be cheering for this bill. Completely rules out a People's Vote because it would lose in a Commons vote and you would get your Brexit. But just as it has been from the get go it will be Brexiteers that fuck this up, not Remainers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flarelaine View Post
    And where does that put Jezza?
    No audio and no security to shout at. Certainly doesn't take it with grace though and the guy got 28 days. Not sure whether Corbyn pressed charges or not, the Police can and will prosecute regardless if they think it's a slam dunk.

  16. #19096
    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    Excellent. So since no-deal has already been voted down in Parliament, that leaves only two options; second referendum, or cancel Article 50. Since the Brexit crew are losing heavily in polls pitching Remain against either May's deal or no-deal, those mean basically the same thing.

    So, shall we just cancel Article 50 right now, and then you can all go back to whining about how unfair it is for the rest of time? That would save time and money for all of us.
    No deal is the default position voted for into law by parliament should no EU agreement be forthcoming by October 31st. No no-deal has not been voted into law.

    Whatcha talkin bout Willis?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    To be fair dribs if you were actually serious about Brexit you would be cheering for this bill. Completely rules out a People's Vote because it would lose in a Commons vote and you would get your Brexit. But just as it has been from the get go it will be Brexiteers that fuck this up, not Remainers.
    Oh we will still get our Brexit, I'm not worried about that as all roads lead there, but the worst PM in history has to go first...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    No deal is the default position voted for into law by parliament should no EU agreement be forthcoming by October 31st. No no-deal has not been voted into law.

    Whatcha talkin bout Willis?
    If the EUMP elections are a "confirmatory vote" on Brexit then Parliament's resolution against a no-deal Brexit is the default position.

    Your logic, not ours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Oh we will still get our Brexit, I'm not worried about that as all roads lead there, but the worst PM in history has to go first...


    Wasn't Brexit supposed to happen two months ago?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    No deal is the default position voted for into law by parliament should no EU agreement be forthcoming by October 31st. No no-deal has not been voted into law.

    Whatcha talkin bout Willis?



    Oh we will still get our Brexit, I'm not worried about that as all roads lead there, but the worst PM in history has to go first...
    You don't get no-deal. You seem happy not to get a deal. I'm sorry, but all that's left is cancelling Article 50. Saying that it's the default when you know that there is a majority against it in Parliament is disingenuous at best. Sure, if nothing happens between now and the end of October, that's what happens. But there is no way Parliament sits and does nothing while that happens, and you know it.

    You've lost dribbles. You've wasted an enormous amount of this countries time, effort and energy, but the end result is that you've lost and we won't leave. Cheer up, this is the best result for you. You can carry on whining about how you were cheated and how wonderful Brexit would have been and nobody can prove that you are still talking out of your arse. Whereas if we leave and the inevitable chaos occurs, you will have no choice but to own the failure.

    This is your get out of jail free card. You should be happy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    You don't get no-deal. You seem happy not to get a deal. I'm sorry, but all that's left is cancelling Article 50. Saying that it's the default when you know that there is a majority against it in Parliament is disingenuous at best. Sure, if nothing happens between now and the end of October, that's what happens. But there is no way Parliament sits and does nothing while that happens, and you know it.

    You've lost dribbles. You've wasted an enormous amount of this countries time, effort and energy, but the end result is that you've lost and we won't leave. Cheer up, this is the best result for you. You can carry on whining about how you were cheated and how wonderful Brexit would have been and nobody can prove that you are still talking out of your arse. Whereas if we leave and the inevitable chaos occurs, you will have no choice but to own the failure.

    This is your get out of jail free card. You should be happy.
    I wouldn't be so sure of that. They rejected every single option on the table when they got to vote on it, and there hasn't been much signs the situation will change since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zealo View Post
    I wouldn't be so sure of that. They rejected every single option on the table when they got to vote on it, and there hasn't been much signs the situation will change since.
    There's unlikely to be a majority for any option unless the sitting government supports it.

    The problem is that any government that makes a firm decision on the matter isn't likely to last very long. Catch 22.
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