View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #19201
    I was following news closely when Brexit started, but then fell out of the loop and am now slowly catching up on what happened in the last years, using this as a guide:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-32810887

    And boy, did you manage to screw it all up. :-) Why the hell are you still in the EU, LOL?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    No definately not.

    I was kinda hoping you had started already. The more you milkshake the more you enable us to categorise remainers as fanatics.
    If only Jo Cox had a milkshake thrown at her.

  3. #19203
    Quote Originally Posted by rda View Post
    I was following news closely when Brexit started, but then fell out of the loop AND am now slowly catching up on what happened in the last years, using this as a guide:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-32810887

    And boy, did you manage to screw it all up. :-) Why the hell are you still in the EU, LOL?
    In short? Because Brexiteers don't want to Brexit. Turns out it's a really fucking stupid idea to trigger a countdown without a plan and without a majority to actually carry out that plan if you ever get round to having one.

    May decided that she wanted to try and carry this thing through Parliament using only the Conservatives and the DUP but neglected to actually count the votes, the ERG (hard Brexiteers) never supported her and neither did the DUP who she bribed with a billion quid to support her.

    She kept this up untill the 11th hour and by then it was too late because no other parties can actually work with her because she will be replaced soon and no leader can be bound by the actions of a previous leader, in other words there is no point making a deal with May to pass the WA because the next PM can just tear it up.

    Thus here we are.

  4. #19204
    Quote Originally Posted by Acidbaron View Post
    So after a disaster for years and being told several times people would come to their senses, plus that it's not the majority of the UK wanting a brexit, yadda, yadda.
    We are now once again proven by polls that the UK is going to vote for the one person who bailed on the entire brexit process and is now coming back into play after he secured his income as charlatan for RT and other obscure news stations in addition to ensuring his double citizenship.

    Big surprise there that everyone with common sense who knew the extension was a bad move, is now being shown why it was a bad move, i mean i could add in worlds like gullible, sadomasochists, racists, bigots to describe this particular movement and at the end of the day they'll get their due.

    It's a shame that nobody, except a few willing to short on the pound and certain UK business or EU businesses with heavy UK reliance stand to gain from this. And that for the coming years we'll have more of loud, dumb and zero substance opposition in the EU while having to deal with a few critical issues. What local forum clowns like Dribbles don't get even if the party of the most punchable face since a decade wins big in the UK they will still be rather small on an EU level and the entire "anti-EU" movement is so splintered that they won't be able to pack a punch as they struggle to find consensus, reason why they aren't even all under one EU 'party'.



    I'm still hoping for a No Deal. I personally as i find the people put forward by my own party to be rather bland and my party still not having a clear desire of what they want from the EU, i'm going to vote for ALDE and thus Verhofstad. As in a world of extremes voting for the center is a waste vote. I'll be interesting to see what the Netherlands votes on although they have always been rather EU sceptic and with the rise of a new populist who uses fancy words to hide his bigotry i'm sure they'll score quite a few points.
    There's always going to be a hardcore 30% ish people in the UK that has WW2/Napoleonic mentality that anything and everything between the Channel and the Med are run by those who want to kill brits. The issue is that the other 70% are split. Labour (outside of Corbyn and a handful), LD, Green, Change are all against this, making up a good 55% of the likely vote today.

    Myself tactically voted for the Green party since it seems they were the better choice to limit the brexit party pull where I am. Farage is going to get all the plaudits because the people here have a FPTP mentality where somehow just because you're the one with more votes, that means you have the majority. Even if those who are opposed to you have more votes just split between them.

  5. #19205
    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    In short? Because Brexiteers don't want to Brexit. Turns out it's a really fucking stupid idea to trigger a countdown without a plan and without a majority to actually carry out that plan if you ever get round to having one.

    May decided that she wanted to try and carry this thing through Parliament using only the Conservatives and the DUP but neglected to actually count the votes, the ERG (hard Brexiteers) never supported her and neither did the DUP who she bribed with a billion quid to support her.

    She kept this up untill the 11th hour and by then it was too late because no other parties can actually work with her because she will be replaced soon and no leader can be bound by the actions of a previous leader, in other words there is no point making a deal with May to pass the WA because the next PM can just tear it up.

    Thus here we are.
    Thank you, this was helpful.

  6. #19206
    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    There's always going to be a hardcore 30% ish people in the UK that has WW2/Napoleonic mentality that anything and everything between the Channel and the Med are run by those who want to kill brits. The issue is that the other 70% are split. Labour (outside of Corbyn and a handful), LD, Green, Change are all against this, making up a good 55% of the likely vote today.

    Myself tactically voted for the Green party since it seems they were the better choice to limit the brexit party pull where I am. Farage is going to get all the plaudits because the people here have a FPTP mentality where somehow just because you're the one with more votes, that means you have the majority. Even if those who are opposed to you have more votes just split between them.
    All polling I've seen shows a majority for Brexit Parties (Con, BP and UKIP), to which we can only blame Corbyn for really.

  7. #19207
    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    All polling I've seen shows a majority for Brexit Parties (Con, BP and UKIP), to which we can only blame Corbyn for really.
    No need to blame anyone, just accept the democratic will of the people is to leave, as today's confirmatory peoples vote will show. Stop trying to impose a minority viewpoint on the majority of the electorate.

    Job done.

  8. #19208
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    No need to blame anyone, just accept the democratic will of the people is to leave, as today's confirmatory peoples vote will show. Stop trying to impose a minority viewpoint on the majority of the electorate.

    Job done.
    I'm pretty sure that today's vote doesn't count. After all, we had a vote in 2014 and the Brexit Party didn't get any votes at all. So we have to follow that vote. Democracy is all about taking one vote, at one point in time, and slavishly following it for the rest of time.

    And I love your satire by the way; "Stop trying to impose a minority viewpoint on the majority of the electorate.". Kind of like 17m trying to impose something on 47m, you mean? That being the size of the UK electorate. It gets even worse if you make it the whole population of the country. Once again I'm thinking that you have to be a secret remainer trying to make Brexiteers look like idiots. What other explanation could there be for shooting yourself so accurately in the foot like this?
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  9. #19209
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...s-admin-errors

    A nationwide picture is emerging of EU citizens in the UK being denied their democratic right to vote in the European parliament elections because of administrative errors by local councils.
    https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-e...ctions-brexit/

    The U.K.'s Electoral Commission blamed voting problems for EU27 citizens in the European election on the "very short notice" from the government that the ballot would take place.
    Oh, the irony... so the rabble keeps screaming how undemocratic the EU is, while denying EU citizens their right to vote in the UK. I mean, of course you can say the EU is undemocratic if you do that, but really... this is just asking for a verbal thrashing of the highest order.

    Meanwhile, because some mentally challenged people still think the Brexit party matters...



    Yep, it doesn't. It'll get ignored and we'll get to laugh about Farage being the cock he usually is in EP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...s-admin-errors



    https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-e...ctions-brexit/



    Oh, the irony... so the rabble keeps screaming how undemocratic the EU is, while denying EU citizens their right to vote in the UK. I mean, of course you can say the EU is undemocratic if you do that, but really... this is just asking for a verbal thrashing of the highest order.

    Meanwhile, because some mentally challenged people still think the Brexit party matters...



    Yep, it doesn't. It'll get ignored and we'll get to laugh about Farage being the cock he usually is in EP.
    Hardly a surprise now is it if you see what kind of bigots the brexiteer crowd and how they probably all feel empowered once again to crawl out of whichever hole they came from.

    I'm surprised they aren't stopping people from entering while holding tiki torches looking at their American "support" groups.

  11. #19211
    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    I'm pretty sure that today's vote doesn't count. After all, we had a vote in 2014 and the Brexit Party didn't get any votes at all. So we have to follow that vote. Democracy is all about taking one vote, at one point in time, and slavishly following it for the rest of time.

    And I love your satire by the way; "Stop trying to impose a minority viewpoint on the majority of the electorate.". Kind of like 17m trying to impose something on 47m, you mean? That being the size of the UK electorate. It gets even worse if you make it the whole population of the country. Once again I'm thinking that you have to be a secret remainer trying to make Brexiteers look like idiots. What other explanation could there be for shooting yourself so accurately in the foot like this?
    Your figures are completely wrong.

    I accept as fact your 17 (and a bit) million people voted for Brexit however the total electorate is not 47 million.

    A third of that 47 million people voluntarily opt out of the electorate by consciously choosing not to vote. If you don't vote you don't count. So at the 2017 General Election with a 68% turnout the total electorate was 32,336,000. (ish)

    I was quite correct in saying 17 million brexit voters are a majority of that 32 million.

    It gets even worse for you if you calculate it as 85% of voters at the last election voted for parties with a manifesto to deliver the result of the referendum and Brexit.

    My advice, stop digging that hole.

  12. #19212
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Your figures are completely wrong.

    I accept as fact your 17 (and a bit) million people voted for Brexit however the total electorate is not 47 million.

    A third of that 47 million people voluntarily opt out of the electorate by consciously choosing not to vote. If you don't vote you don't count. So at the 2017 General Election with a 68% turnout the total electorate was 32,336,000. (ish)

    I was quite correct in saying 17 million brexit voters are a majority of that 32 million.

    It gets even worse for you if you calculate it as 85% of voters at the last election voted for parties with a manifesto to deliver the result of the referendum and Brexit.

    My advice, stop digging that hole.
    Ah, so when you said "electorate" I was supposed to understand that meant "what dribbles has decided electorate means" as opposed to what it actually means. I hold my hands up to that, I missed that subtlety. So as well as deciding what votes we have to respect and what can be ignored, you are now deciding whose vote means anything as well? Pretty fascist of you, as is your won't.

    Pretty pathetic even by your low standards dribbles. I would love to say I expect better of you, but this is pretty much as good as I see it getting for you.
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  13. #19213
    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    Ah, so when you said "electorate" I was supposed to understand that meant "what dribbles has decided electorate means" as opposed to what it actually means. I hold my hands up to that, I missed that subtlety. So as well as deciding what votes we have to respect and what can be ignored, you are now deciding whose vote means anything as well? Pretty fascist of you, as is your won't.

    Pretty pathetic even by your low standards dribbles. I would love to say I expect better of you, but this is pretty much as good as I see it getting for you.
    I'm not deciding anything. You in your typical remain high handed way have decided that people who choose not to elect are a part of the electorate. They are not, they have chosen not to be by non participation.

    Worse you probably assume by choosing not to vote they count as remain votes! Two can play that game if you like, I say they are all brexiteers, how will we ever know?

    Let's stick to the facts shall we? Which are 17 million of the 32 million who chose to vote at the last general election were pro brexit.

    A majority in anyones book.

  14. #19214
    The worst thing about this is that May was told about this problem in advance, and she was told how to prevent it, but she actively choose not to.
    Thus we must conclude that denying EU citizens their right to vote was her express intention.

  15. #19215
    Quote Originally Posted by Noradin View Post
    The worst thing about this is that May was told about this problem in advance, and she was told how to prevent it, but she actively choose not to.
    Thus we must conclude that denying EU citizens their right to vote was her express intention.
    Well, probably not the intent, but she certainly accepted the possibility. Enough to hold her liable for this disaster to democracy. Shame on them. Losing more respect with each episode in this circus show.
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  16. #19216
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Well, probably not the intent, but she certainly accepted the possibility. Enough to hold her liable for this disaster to democracy. Shame on them. Losing more respect with each episode in this circus show.
    She was warned well in advance that this would definitively happen and was presented with a solution, she chose not to implement it despite having the power and ability to do so.

  17. #19217
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Let's stick to the facts shall we? Which are 17 million of the 32 million who chose to vote at the last general election were pro brexit.
    We all know your dictionary is broken dribbles, but do you have to prove it so often? How exactly can you prove the "fact" that 17m who voted at the last GE were pro-Brexit? Bearing in mind that it wasn't a vote on a single issue? Claivoyance on an industrial scale? Or just plain old making shit up and calling it a fact?
    When challenging a Kzin, a simple scream of rage is sufficient. You scream and you leap.

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  18. #19218
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    I'm not deciding anything. You in your typical remain high handed way have decided that people who choose not to elect are a part of the electorate. They are not, they have chosen not to be by non participation.

    Worse you probably assume by choosing not to vote they count as remain votes! Two can play that game if you like, I say they are all brexiteers, how will we ever know?

    Let's stick to the facts shall we? Which are 17 million of the 32 million who chose to vote at the last general election were pro brexit.

    A majority in anyones book.
    Why do you assume they all wanted a no-deal brexit?

  19. #19219
    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    We all know your dictionary is broken dribbles, but do you have to prove it so often? How exactly can you prove the "fact" that 17m who voted at the last GE were pro-Brexit? Bearing in mind that it wasn't a vote on a single issue? Claivoyance on an industrial scale? Or just plain old making shit up and calling it a fact?
    I was being kind to you. In fact 85% of the 32 million electorate at the last GE voted for supposedly pro Brexit, according to their manifesto, parties ie 27 million. A super majority if ever I saw one. The minute they got passed the election they both tore up those manifestos. Is it any wonder the BXP don't have one and don't need one?

    In other news Theresa is off on June 10th, or is she, but let the games begin! I wonder how PM Johnson will get on with the EU...

  20. #19220
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    I was being kind to you. In fact 85% of the 32 million electorate at the last GE voted for supposedly pro Brexit, according to their manifesto, parties ie 27 million. A super majority if ever I saw one. The minute they got passed the election they both tore up those manifestos. Is it any wonder the BXP don't have one and don't need one?

    In other news Theresa is off on June 10th, or is she, but let the games begin! I wonder how PM Johnson will get on with the EU...
    Using FPTP to present some kind of trend is just as fucked up as the rest of your drivel. I thought it was worth pointing this out, everything else... hot air.
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