View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #19601
    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    Yep, but you know what's worrying? No matter how much the moronic, sperm-haired, morally-bankrupt, detestable slug bloviates, it won't stop Daily Mail-reading racist nans from creaming themselves at the sight of him. These are the people who will decide the UK's next PM. And the irony is that his fellow Tory MPS detest him: but there's nothing they can do about it.
    As I've understood it they COULD eliminate BoJo from the running before the final two are presented to the party members - That said they might be too scared of the repercussions.

  2. #19602
    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    Yep, but you know what's worrying? No matter how much the moronic, sperm-haired, morally-bankrupt, detestable slug bloviates, it won't stop Daily Mail-reading racist nans from creaming themselves at the sight of him. These are the people who will decide the UK's next PM. And the irony is that his fellow Tory MPS detest him: but there's nothing they can do about it.
    Somewhat. It's like Gobble is saying though. It will be the Parliamentary Party that does the voting untill only 2 candidates are left. It's going to be a super useful tool in finding out who the genuine malefactors are in the Conservative Party if we ever get those data sets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twdft View Post
    Good Friday Agreement says hi
    And to this day there's no solution to the Irish border that satisfies the people there. Regardless of Brexit type.

  4. #19604
    While not brexit related

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48441344

    Bercow has confirmed he's staying on.

  5. #19605
    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Goblin View Post
    And to this day there's no solution to the Irish border that satisfies the people there. Regardless of Brexit type.
    Well Remain works

  6. #19606
    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    Somewhat. It's like Gobble is saying though. It will be the Parliamentary Party that does the voting untill only 2 candidates are left. It's going to be a super useful tool in finding out who the genuine malefactors are in the Conservative Party if we ever get those data sets.
    Ahh, but that’s assuming Tory grassroots don’t force through the much-vaunted change to the leadership election rules to ensure their favourite is not excluded from the ballot paper. I thought this was pretty much a given. Or is it too late now?

    Ha. In which case, true to form, I would suggest that BJ will flip and publicly declare as pro-compromise, win a place on the ballot paper, then flip back.

    And if that’s too fanciful, my predictions would be:

    Raab & Gove

    Raab winning.

  7. #19607
    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    While not brexit related

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48441344

    Bercow has confirmed he's staying on.
    I have to say I love that Bercow is staying, any man who can wear these ties in Parliament is a man after my own heart.

  8. #19608
    We need more unbiased news in the UK and across the EU to show exactly why we are, and others should be, leaving. Something like this from Fox News yesterday as Tucker Carlson interviews the next UK PM should do it...

    How come Americans are allowed to see the truth and call the EU what it is, yet you never see it done on the UK news? Yet still the Brexit party wins bigly, imagine if we had a proper news service here too....


  9. #19609
    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    You'll excuse me if I don't bite this particular low hanging fruit.
    Low hanging?
    It is practically underground.
    Pomme de terre, anyone?

  10. #19610
    Quote Originally Posted by fathaswaop View Post
    Additionally you clearly would like a second referendum, which is explicitly anti-democratic and extra-parliamentary, at least until the first one is implemented.
    So if ever a winning vote is cast for something impossible democracy stops existing, because nothing can democratically reverse the decision until it is successfully implemented?
    Thank you for demonstrating the kind of deep insights into these matters that lead your reasoning, burner.

  11. #19611
    Quote Originally Posted by fathaswaop View Post
    Additionally you clearly would like a second referendum, which is explicitly anti-democratic and extra-parliamentary, at least until the first one is implemented.
    How so? There is no imperative to implement an advisory referendum.

  12. #19612
    Oh BoJo going to court regarding the 350mill lie
    Last edited by Crispin; 2019-05-29 at 10:44 AM.

  13. #19613
    Quote Originally Posted by fathaswaop View Post
    Yes. That is how democracy works.

    You do not have any special insight that allows you to ignore a democratic mandate. You have a selection of poorly conceived post-hoc rationalizations which are extremely dangerous: all of them could be used to justify tyranny and dictatorship.
    No, this is how you define "democracy" if you want it to fail.
    What you are doing is creating a perversion of democracy that is only fit to "prove" that democracy does not, in fact, work.
    That is really no different from what Farage is trying to pull.

    If you find out something is impossible to implement, you have to have the ability to ask the elctorate how to proceed, otherwise you will get stuck, eventually.
    Obviously you cannot simply ignore the mandate without repercussions, but you can return it.
    In this case I'd say it would mean that the parliament that took it upon itself to assume the responsibility to implement the mandate for Brexit would have to resign, but that is a decision that really is up to the sovereign of the UK to decide (which is, ironically, the parliament; not the elcorate and not the Queen.).

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    Quote Originally Posted by fathaswaop View Post
    Yes. That is how democracy works.
    Democracy not working is how democracy works.

    What a well thought-out answer.
    Quote Originally Posted by ash
    So, look um, I'm not a grief counselor, but if it's any consolation, I have had to kill and bury loved ones before.

    A bunch of times actually.

  15. #19615
    Quote Originally Posted by fathaswaop View Post
    Nigel wrote

    I'm not really sure what your objection is here. At least one of the candidates (Rory) has views pretty much identical to your own.
    Honestly, you do talk a lot of shit.

    - YES! means I agree with his voting choices! 16
    - NO! means I disagree with his voting choices! 55
    - DGAF! means I don’t give a fuck about his voting choices! 16

    Bolded are the single most important issues for me.

    Rory’s voting record:

    Generally voted for equal gay rights - YES!
    Almost always voted against smoking bans - DGAF!
    Generally voted for allowing marriage between two people of same sex - YES!
    Generally voted against laws to promote equality and human rights - NO!
    Almost always voted for use of UK military forces in combat operations overseas - COMPLICATED!
    Voted against investigations into the Iraq war - NO!
    Consistently voted for replacing Trident with a new nuclear weapons system - NO!
    Generally voted against more EU integration - NO!
    Generally voted against strengthening the Military Covenant - DGAF!
    Almost always voted against a right to remain for EU nationals already in living in the UK - NO!
    Generally voted against UK membership of the EU - NO!
    Consistently voted for military action against ISIL (Daesh) - COMPLICATED!
    Generally voted for reducing housing benefit for social tenants deemed to have excess bedrooms (which Labour describe as the "bedroom tax") - NO!
    Consistently voted against raising welfare benefits at least in line with prices - NO!
    Almost always voted against paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disability - NO!
    Almost always voted for a reduction in spending on welfare benefits - NO!
    Generally voted against spending public money to create guaranteed jobs for young people who have spent a long time unemployed - NO!
    Consistently voted for raising the threshold at which people start to pay income tax - YES!
    Almost always voted for increasing the rate of VAT - NO!
    Almost always voted for higher taxes on alcoholic drinks - DGAF!
    Almost always voted for higher taxes on plane tickets - YES!
    Almost always voted against increasing the tax rate applied to income over £150,000 - NO!
    Consistently voted for encouraging occupational pensions - YES!
    Generally voted against a banker’s bonus tax - NO!
    Voted a mixture of for and against higher taxes on banks - NO!
    Consistently voted against an annual tax on the value of expensive homes (popularly known as a mansion tax) - NO!
    Almost always voted for allowing employees to exchange some employment rights for shares in the company they work for - DGAF
    Almost always voted for more restrictive regulation of trade union activity - DGAF!
    Almost always voted for reducing capital gains tax - NO!
    Almost always voted for reducing the rate of corporation tax - NO!
    Generally voted for measures to reduce tax avoidance - YES!
    Voted a mixture of for and against stronger tax incentives for companies to invest in assets - DGAF!
    Almost always voted for new high speed rail infrastructure - NO!
    Consistently voted against restricting the provision of services to private patients by the NHS - DGAF!
    Consistently voted for reforming the NHS so GPs buy services on behalf of their patients - NO!
    Almost always voted against smoking bans - DGAF!
    Consistently voted for greater autonomy for schools - DGAF!
    Voted for raising England’s undergraduate tuition fee cap to £9,000 per year - NO!
    Consistently voted for academy schools - NO!
    Consistently voted for ending financial support for some 16-19 year olds in training and further education - NO!
    Consistently voted for university tuition fees - NO!
    Almost always voted for reducing central government funding of local government - NO!
    Generally voted for an equal number of electors per parliamentary constituency - YES!
    Consistently voted for fewer MPs in the House of Commons - YES!
    Generally voted against a more proportional system for electing MPs - NO!
    Consistently voted against a wholly elected House of Lords - NO!
    Almost always voted for local councils keeping money raised from taxes on business premises in their areas - DGAF!
    Consistently voted for greater restrictions on campaigning by third parties, such as charities, during elections - NO!
    Generally voted for fixed periods between parliamentary elections - YES
    Consistently voted against removing hereditary peers from the House of Lords - NO!
    Almost always voted against transferring more powers to the Welsh Assembly - NO!
    Generally voted against transferring more powers to the Scottish Parliament - NO!
    Generally voted against more powers for local councils - NO!
    Consistently voted for a veto for MPs from England, Wales and Northern Ireland over laws specifically impacting their part of the UK - YES!
    Generally voted against a lower voting age - NO!
    Consistently voted for a stricter asylum system - NO!
    Generally voted for the introduction of elected Police and Crime Commissioners - NO!
    Consistently voted for requiring the mass retention of information about communications - NO!
    Consistently voted for stronger enforcement of immigration rules - NO!
    Consistently voted for mass surveillance of people’s communications and activities - NO!
    Consistently voted for merging police and fire services under Police and Crime Commissioners - DGAF!
    Generally voted against measures to prevent climate change - NO!
    Voted a mixture of for and against lower taxes on fuel for motor vehicles
    Consistently voted for selling England’s state owned forests - NO!
    Almost always voted for higher taxes on plane tickets - YES!
    Generally voted against financial incentives for low carbon emission electricity generation methods - NO!
    Generally voted for culling badgers to tackle bovine tuberculosis - DGAF!
    Generally voted against greater regulation of hydraulic fracturing (fracking) to extract shale gas - NO!
    Almost always voted for new high speed rail infrastructure - NO!
    Almost always voted against greater public control of bus services - DGAF!
    Almost always voted against slowing the rise in rail fares - NO!
    Generally voted against a publicly owned railway system - DGAF!
    Consistently voted for phasing out secure tenancies for life - DGAF!
    Almost always voted for charging a market rent to high earners renting a council home - YES!
    Consistently voted against greater regulation of gambling - NO!
    Consistently voted for capping civil service redundancy payments - YES!
    Generally voted for the privatisation of Royal Mail - NO!
    Generally voted against requiring pub companies to offer pub landlords rent-only leases - DGAF!
    Generally voted for restricting the scope of legal aid - NO!
    Consistently voted for allowing national security sensitive evidence to be put before courts in secret sessions - YES!
    Generally voted for a statutory register of lobbyists - YES!
    Generally voted for limits on success fees paid to lawyers in no-win no fee cases - YES!
    Consistently voted against restrictions on fees charged to tenants by letting agents - NO!

    There you go.

    I cannot believe I’ve taken the time to do that.

    Now, fuck off and fellate Len McCluskey.

  16. #19616
    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    Oh BoJo going to court regarding the 350mill lie
    The stop Boris campaign in full flow. Desperate.

    Ultimately a mistake by remainers though, the truth will out...

  17. #19617
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    We need more unbiased news in the UK and across the EU to show exactly why we are, and others should be, leaving. Something like this from Fox News yesterday as Tucker Carlson interviews the next UK PM should do it...

    How come Americans are allowed to see the truth and call the EU what it is, yet you never see it done on the UK news? Yet still the Brexit party wins bigly, imagine if we had a proper news service here too....

    Taking Tucker Carlson seriously are we? That guy got verbally destroyed by a dutchie not terrible long ago.
    ''With this attack, we have no choice but to protect our kind by unleashing our almighty weapon upon them. Summoning the Apocalypse'' - Stellaris Apocalypse trailer.

  18. #19618
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    The stop Boris campaign in full flow. Desperate.

    Ultimately a mistake by remainers though, the truth will out...
    What truth? That he’s full of shit? This case was brought to court before Mays resignation.

  19. #19619
    Ahahahahah Now to bring in the rest of these lying pieces of shit and make them stand trial for lying to the gullable and stupid, There there @dribbles we will look after you as you're too dumb to make adult decisions.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8934451.html

  20. #19620
    Quote Originally Posted by Fuiking View Post
    Taking Tucker Carlson seriously are we? That guy got verbally destroyed by a dutchie not terrible long ago.
    He gets 3 million viewers, anyone spreading the truth about what the EU is to that many people is a good guy in my book. He should be broadcast EU wide...

    Of course that wouldn't be allowed here in the EUSSR, the establishment would have him and people who tell the truth, like Boris, in court.

    No matter, Boris is innocent! https://boris2020.org/

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