View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #19761
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    wonder how it will be sold in UK they will miss the opportunity on purpose.

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    and page 1000 of the saga arrived. >4 months to go unless a miracle or desaster happens

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noradin View Post
    Then you're taking back your initial post about them?
    Good.
    Expansionism isn't integral part of nationalism. "Keeping what is already ours" is.

  3. #19763
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    Expansionism isn't integral part of nationalism. "Keeping what is already ours" is.
    Back to generalizing, I see...

  4. #19764
    Raab's plan of shutting down parliament to push through a no deal has been ripped apart by Bercow

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48541352

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    Raab's plan of shutting down parliament to push through a no deal has been ripped apart by Bercow

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48541352
    Did anybody really think that Bercow would allow them to do that?

  6. #19766
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Nationalism never seems sensible, sorry. Even without chauvinism, nationalism still sees an imperative to suppress any identity different from the traditional identity and culture of the nation and is thus inimical to minorities.

    The supposedly sensible alternative is patriotism. I still find any ideology that is tied, emotionally, to the concept of pride in anything that does not derive from your personal actions as explicitly irrational.
    Well, nationalism is a necessary step to form nations. The trick is to stop there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flarelaine View Post
    Today, you may argue that there is little difference and chauvinism is really just nationalism on steroids.

    But classical nationalism used to be a positive force. It fueled the German and Italian reunifications and several movements for ethnic self-government or even just cultural awakening, so to speak, in 19th century Europe. Nationalism in that sense is the desire to improve or lift up one's nation - not necessarily at the expense of others (though in practice it tends to manifest that way). As an example, the movement to have Hungarian translations - and worthy ones at that - for all of Shakespeare's works was borne of nationalism, to prove that Hungarian is not just a language for peasants in a backwater province of the Habsburgs.
    That's what I'm talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I mean we knew it was going to happen sooner than late
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...KCN1T72BV?il=0
    Yet another solid trade deal happening soon. That the UK will not be part of once Brexit happens.
    And the EU keeps knitting its net of economic allies. How does nobody notice that the EU is turning itself into quite the giant trade hub? Well, good for us, I suppose...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ranzino View Post
    wonder how it will be sold in UK they will miss the opportunity on purpose.

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    and page 1000 of the saga arrived. >4 months to go unless a miracle or desaster happens
    The UK will find a way to spin it. It includes Argentine. I mean, without having looked at their papers, I wouldn't be surprised if they call the EU traitors and threaten to quit NATO over this. No, I'm not exaggerating. That is the level of stupid Brexiteers entertain.
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    Posting in page 1000 for posterity.
    Quote Originally Posted by AeneasBK View Post
    Damnit hubcap, you are such a retard.
    Seriously guys, this forum would be a better place if everyone just stopped acknowledging Zenkai. It's just demeaning to everyone.

  8. #19768
    Quote Originally Posted by Butler to Baby Sloths View Post
    Did anybody really think that Bercow would allow them to do that?
    Brexiteers were hoping.

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    One thousand pages, my my how does the time fly. Still no solution fun times.

  10. #19770
    Early hours but looks like Brexit party have conceded defeat in Peterborough.

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/st...46107835490304

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    Also in herefordshire Ross North Lib Dem get 75% of the vote

    https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/s...61727733964802

  11. #19771
    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    One thousand pages, my my how does the time fly. Still no solution fun times.
    For a solution, you need to clearly define what the problem is. So far, we still haven't gotten further than "duh, sovereignity!" and "'cos... empire!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    Early hours but looks like Brexit party have conceded defeat in Peterborough.

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/st...46107835490304

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    Also in herefordshire Ross North Lib Dem get 75% of the vote

    https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/s...61727733964802
    Are those local elections? Why did we expect the Brexit party to win anything again?
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  12. #19772
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Are those local elections?
    Election A constituency voted to remove their MP, so there is a by-election to replace her.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Why did we expect the Brexit party to win anything again?
    Peterborough is very brexity, and the replacement Labour party candidate managed to walk into an antisemitic row (unusually for Labour )
    Last edited by Dizzeeyooo; 2019-06-06 at 11:37 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzeeyooo View Post
    Election A constituency voted to remove their MP, so there is a by-election to replace her.


    Peterborough is very brexity, and the replacement Labour party candidate managed to walk into an antisemitic row (unusually for Labour )
    Does not like Isreal "anti-semitism" or actual anti-semitism?
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  14. #19774
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrak View Post
    Does not like Isreal "anti-semitism" or actual anti-semitism?
    Lisa Forbes was forced to apologise over the weekend after it emerged she had liked a Facebook post earlier this year which claimed Theresa May had a "Zionist Slave Masters agenda".

    She also said she had "enjoyed" reading a thread which claimed Isis was created by the CIA and Mossad.
    You tell me

    Edit - and Labour wins, feels bad for Farageee
    Brexit Party brought Farage to the Peterborough count, where he hid in the candidates room, in shot of lens through the door, was briefly mobbed outside the gents by reporters, and then drove away early before declaration. Really bad handling
    Yikes
    Last edited by Dizzeeyooo; 2019-06-07 at 01:03 AM.

  15. #19775
    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzeeyooo View Post
    and Labour wins, feels bad for Farageee
    Feel bad for dribbles, he was just so sure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    If the definition of racism is the lack of tolerance and discrimination of ethnic minorites, there is no organisation on earth more racist than the EU. Once the British leave the EU will there be a single MEP left that's non white? Or are you saying that the whole EU racist movement is doomed to fail? In which case I'd agree.

    In the meantime congratulations to the ethnically diverse and tolerant Brexit party for the election of their first MP in Peterborough. Oh oopsie, it hasn't happened yet has it. Oh well gratz then in advance for later today...the first of many
    Boy this post didn't age well.

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    I have no obligation to condemn racists. You ideologues on the other hand, are an actual problem.

  18. #19778
    So looks like they got most of their votes from the conservatives and UKIP. Labour's that went down split over LD and Greens and couple to brexit

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    Looks like it'll be down to LD voters next election. If they stay LD then it's going to be close between BP and Labour again otherwise Labour will probably keep it.

    This is why multiple parties without a clear and concrete distinction really sucks in FPTP. Why can't we just have Left vs Right vs Up vs Down. It'd be so much simpler.
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  20. #19780
    Quote Originally Posted by Lollis View Post
    Looks like it'll be down to LD voters next election. If they stay LD then it's going to be close between BP and Labour again otherwise Labour will probably keep it.

    This is why multiple parties without a clear and concrete distinction really sucks in FPTP. Why can't we just have Left vs Right vs Up vs Down. It'd be so much simpler.
    Why can't we just ditch FPTP instead so that people can vote for someone they want and not for someone they may not want to keep out the one they really don't want.

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