View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #19841
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    How on earth do you get it down to 20%?

    This is a bit OT - but aren't you a ltd. company / dividend-drawer, not a sole trader? So, you have a clever accountant who does it?

    My problem is that I've always been stuck in that awkward should I turn myself into a company or not bracket and never bothered.

    Ho hum.
    Well the attraction of becoming ltd has fallen a little since they reduced tax free dividend income recently from 10k to 2K a year. Might still be worth it though even with the extra admin. But it depends what you regard as decent I suppose - we could take the crowns view on that and say it is at the level at which you start to pay a penal 40% tax. So the question really is can you survive on £1000 or, double that for a couple, a week? In which case all excess is best dumped in a SIPP up to your 40k a year limit so none of that has tax paid on it. Even more so if you have children and want to keep your child benefit, I know I do. So that's earnings of £90k per annum with an effective tax rate reduced to below 20% per person take care of, above that I haven't a clue. But if in that position I sure would have...

    Of course if you are super rich with 6 figure salaries like many public sector workers, doctors, headmasters etc etc you start to run into the problem of only being allowed £1 million ish in your pension pot now. That, not brexit, explains the shortage of staff in those professions as they start to retire pension capped in their 40's. It is not worth those people getting out of bed in the morning if half their income is being taxed with no way to mitigate that any more.

    They need to raise the pension cap back to what it was at £1.5 million ish a couple of years ago or reduce taxes for wealthy people to encourage them to stay working. No way I'm paying 40% tax to see it wasted on scroungers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    No, it seems you're now agreeing with me. So it is fraud then? Because gaining seats/votes and receiving funds/positions in the process sure seems like profit to me.
    No idea man, you started this... perhaps you'd like to go back to what I posted and verify that you still want to nitpick it.
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    A juicy Brexit Sunday is coming as the Tory leadership hots up...

    Michael Gove is going to scrap VAT after Brexit, it is a tax only required because of membership of the EU. Wouldn't you like that eurochums in your own country? Next time you get a receipt look at how much VAT you pay and imagine it slipping straight into the back pocket of Juncker and his cronies or, all you gotta do is leave...

    Boris confirms no payment of the £39 bn is due to the EU when the UK leaves...

    Lovely Jubbly, more goodies like that please. Lets show the other EU member states and their people the massive upsides of leaving...and the huge downside costs of remaining a member...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    No idea man, you started this... perhaps you'd like to go back to what I posted and verify that you still want to nitpick it.
    Didn't you say lying isn't illegal? Well, what is fraud if not lying?
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    I never said I was knowledge-able and I wouldn't even care if I was the least knowledge-able person and the biggest dumb-ass out of all 7.8 billion people on the planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    A juicy Brexit Sunday is coming as the Tory leadership hots up...

    Michael Gove is going to scrap VAT after Brexit, it is a tax only required because of membership of the EU. Wouldn't you like that eurochums in your own country? Next time you get a receipt look at how much VAT you pay and imagine it slipping straight into the back pocket of Juncker and his cronies or, all you gotta do is leave...

    Boris confirms no payment of the £39 bn is due to the EU when the UK leaves...

    Lovely Jubbly, more goodies like that please. Lets show the other EU member states and their people the massive upsides of leaving...and the huge downside costs of remaining a member...
    So the first lies weren't enough now you have to believe the new lies?

  6. #19846
    Yes let's show the massive upside to a massive loss of tax revenue of the collapse of public finance, the destruction of public services and the end of the NHS. Where the poor end up suffering because of short sighted conservatives that have never had a good idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    A juicy Brexit Sunday is coming as the Tory leadership hots up...

    Michael Gove is going to scrap VAT after Brexit, it is a tax only required because of membership of the EU. Wouldn't you like that eurochums in your own country? Next time you get a receipt look at how much VAT you pay and imagine it slipping straight into the back pocket of Juncker and his cronies or, all you gotta do is leave...

    Boris confirms no payment of the £39 bn is due to the EU when the UK leaves...

    Lovely Jubbly, more goodies like that please. Lets show the other EU member states and their people the massive upsides of leaving...and the huge downside costs of remaining a member...
    lol most countries in the world have VAT, it has nothing to do with the EU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Michael Gove is going to scrap VAT after Brexit, it is a tax only required because of membership of the EU.
    Another gem, thank you.
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    So, look um, I'm not a grief counselor, but if it's any consolation, I have had to kill and bury loved ones before. A bunch of times actually.
    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    I never said I was knowledge-able and I wouldn't even care if I was the least knowledge-able person and the biggest dumb-ass out of all 7.8 billion people on the planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    Another gem, thank you.
    Can't even blame his own government for the regresive taxes they put on them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrak View Post
    lol most countries in the world have VAT, it has nothing to do with the EU.
    According to the internets, the VAT is the third largest source of income for the UK government. I highly doubt the UK leaving the EU would mean the UK government would give up their third largest source of income.

    I also don't see what VAT has to do with the EU. It looks like a UK tax for UK government funding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    According to the internets, the VAT is the third largest source of income for the UK government. I highly doubt the UK leaving the EU would mean the UK government would give up their third largest source of income.

    I also don't see what VAT has to do with the EU. It looks like a UK tax for UK government funding.
    Farage probably told him it was an EU thing at his recent tea party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrak View Post
    Farage probably told him it was an EU thing at his recent tea party.
    Watch, the plan will be to replace the VAT with a Sales Tax. "See, we got rid of the VAT!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    Watch, the plan will be to replace the VAT with a Sales Tax. "See, we got rid of the VAT!"
    Are you planning on becoming the new British PM?
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    Michael Gove is going to scrap VAT after Brexit, it is a tax only required because of membership of the EU.
    In other news: Tory leadership candidate Michael Gove has said he "deeply regrets" taking cocaine

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    Ah, that explains the VAT thing then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Michael Gove is going to scrap VAT after Brexit, it is a tax only required because of membership of the EU. Wouldn't you like that eurochums in your own country? Next time you get a receipt look at how much VAT you pay and imagine it slipping straight into the back pocket of Juncker and his cronies or, all you gotta do is leave...
    VAT is not collected by the EU.

    So where is he going to find 169 billion pounds per year? In his cocaine-fuelled dreams?
    Last edited by Butler to Baby Sloths; 2019-06-08 at 11:33 PM.

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    Cocaine tends to destroy brain cells.. hence the VAT scrapping plan
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  18. #19858
    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    Watch, the plan will be to replace the VAT with a Sales Tax. "See, we got rid of the VAT!"
    Likely like how it is in the US too. Not shown on shelf prices but when you get to checkout the real price ends up being shown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    Likely like how it is in the US too. Not shown on shelf prices but when you get to checkout the real price ends up being shown.
    So to be clear.

    Leavers voted to follow the American model and allow people to keep more of their own money in their pockets making them richer, with perhaps a 0.0% Sales Tax as they have in many places over there.

    Remainers voted to keep people in poverty with 2 tythes, in VAT, of everything as the cost of UK EU membership making people poorer.

    Good that as time goes by more and more evidence is exposed as to why it is so bad and costly for nations and their people to be within the EU experiment.

    I say leave and get rid of VAT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    Didn't you say lying isn't illegal? Well, what is fraud if not lying?
    §263 StGB

    Whosoever with the intent of obtaining for himself or a third person an unlawful material benefit damages the property of another by causing or maintaining an error by pretending false facts or by distorting or suppressing true facts shall be liable to imprisonment not exceeding five years or a fine.
    The crime is the damage you inflict. The end goal is the intent to obtaining a material benefit. Lying is the method to do that. If you didn't damage any property, you could lie all day long without any consequences... Free speech and shit, you know. If you don't intend to get any benefit from that, you would maybe be liable for another crime, but not fraud. All of these have to be ticked. So yes, I think we can talk about fraud here, but I don't think lying itself is criminal per se.

    Meanwhile...

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