View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #19861
    Leavers voted to follow the American model and allow people to keep more of their own money in their pockets making them richer, with perhaps a 0.0% Sales Tax as they have in many places over there.
    When?

    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    I say leave and get rid of VAT.
    Where is 170 billion pounds of revenue per year for the British government going to come from then?

  2. #19862
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    So to be clear.

    Leavers voted to follow the American model and allow people to keep more of their own money in their pockets making them richer, with perhaps a 0.0% Sales Tax as they have in many places over there.

    Remainers voted to keep people in poverty with 2 tythes, in VAT, of everything as the cost of UK EU membership making people poorer.

    Good that as time goes by more and more evidence is exposed as to why it is so bad and costly for nations and their people to be within the EU experiment.

    I say leave and get rid of VAT.
    Americans aren't keeping more of there income in their own pockets....millions can't even afford healthcare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler to Baby Sloths View Post
    When?



    Where is 170 billion pounds of revenue per year for the British government going to come from then?
    You can throw away VAT but that goes hand in hand with other expenditure like healthcare, infrastructure, increasing income taxes.

  3. #19863
    Quote Originally Posted by ati87 View Post
    You can throw away VAT but that goes hand in hand with other expenditure like healthcare, infrastructure, increasing income taxes.
    I'm sure the Tories can find something they have yet to privatize to generate some short-term cash.

  4. #19864
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    So to be clear.

    Leavers voted to follow the American model and allow people to keep more of their own money in their pockets making them richer, with perhaps a 0.0% Sales Tax as they have in many places over there.

    Remainers voted to keep people in poverty with 2 tythes, in VAT, of everything as the cost of UK EU membership making people poorer.

    Good that as time goes by more and more evidence is exposed as to why it is so bad and costly for nations and their people to be within the EU experiment.

    I say leave and get rid of VAT.
    Still making things up that you've decided the 2016 vote meant, I see. It's amazing how much information about the intent of 17m people got packed into "do you want to leave the EU?" isn't it?

    I expect Pann will be along in a minute to explain how it was completely clear in 2016 that leaving would mean just that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    Still making things up that you've decided the 2016 vote meant, I see. It's amazing how much information about the intent of 17m people got packed into "do you want to leave the EU?" isn't it?
    I guess that's what happens when you give a blank, signed cheque to a dishonest person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler to Baby Sloths View Post
    I'm sure the Tories can find something they have yet to privatize to generate some short-term cash.
    No, that was Blair and the Labour plan and their explosion in PFI for our hospitals. Brexit supporters want to leave the EU and fund our NHS instead, not privatise it. Did you miss the Boris bus?
    Brexiteers are the new remainers. To remain outside of the EU.

  7. #19867
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    No, that was Blair and the Labour plan and their explosion in PFI for our hospitals. Brexit supporters want to leave the EU and fund our NHS instead, not privatise it. Did you miss the Boris bus?
    Back to the 350 million lie are we?

    Anyway, don't dodge the question: where will 170 billion pounds per year come from, after VAT is abolished?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler to Baby Sloths View Post
    Back to the 350 million lie are we?

    Anyway, don't dodge the question: where will 170 billion pounds per year come from, after VAT is abolished?
    It wasn't a lie as the court case found a couple of days ago when they threw the case against Boris out. All true, soon as we leave you'll see...
    Brexiteers are the new remainers. To remain outside of the EU.

  9. #19869
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    It wasn't a lie as the court case found a couple of days ago when they threw the case against Boris out. All true, soon as we leave you'll see...
    The case wasn't thrown out because he wasn't lying. The case was thrown out because the judge said him lying was not illegal.

    The UK has never sent 350 million pounds per week to the EU. That is established fact.

    I dare you to prove me wrong. Show me the invoices. Show me the documents that prove that Boris wasn't lying. I bet you can't though. In fact, you won't respond to this at all, because you KNOW you are lying. You can't be that stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    No, that was Blair and the Labour plan and their explosion in PFI for our hospitals. Brexit supporters want to leave the EU and fund our NHS instead, not privatise it. Did you miss the Boris bus?
    How are you going to fund it if you cut out the billions of pounds from the VAT?

  11. #19871
    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    How are you going to fund it if you cut out the billions of pounds from the VAT?
    Don't worry, the 18.2 billion they claim to save by leaving will totally cover it.

    (never mind that two years of VAT revenue more than pays for every penny the UK has sent to the EU since joining 46 years ago)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler to Baby Sloths View Post
    The case wasn't thrown out because he wasn't lying. The case was thrown out because the judge said him lying was not illegal.

    The UK has never sent 350 million pounds per week to the EU. That is established fact.

    I dare you to prove me wrong. Show me the invoices. Show me the documents that prove that Boris wasn't lying. I bet you can't though. In fact, you won't respond to this at all, because you KNOW you are lying. You can't be that stupid.
    A remainer took Boris to court over the bus, the Judge took 5 minutes and threw the case out. The NHS is already planned and diaried in to receive 384 million extra a week as a benefit of brexit a couple of years after we leave, exceeding the claims on the bus. He wasn't lying...

    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    How are you going to fund it if you cut out the billions of pounds from the VAT?
    It's Michael Gove's plan only announced a few hours ago, I don't know, ask him. I expect when the candidates face scrutiny in their debates it will come out. He must have a plan right?

    But as a concept scrapping VAT sounds great to me. It's a complex burdensome red tape calculation for SME's to do every three months, inside the EU we can't get rid of it - outside, newly sovereign, we can.

    There are so many different options being considered on an almost daily basis that are now being made public. The benefits of brexit are coming so fast, almost tsunami like it is difficult to keep up. Much much different to the scenarios painted by project fear. If you are looking for liars pick any one of the people who supported the remain project fear agenda. There's your liars, not honest brexiteers.
    Brexiteers are the new remainers. To remain outside of the EU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    He must have a plan right?
    .
    Probably snorting more cocaine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    Probably snorting more cocaine.
    Perhaps it will be taxable...
    Brexiteers are the new remainers. To remain outside of the EU.

  15. #19875
    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post

    I expect Pann will be along in a minute to explain how it was completely clear in 2016 that leaving would mean just that.
    And yet the leavers were all "We'll be Norway and Switzerland." yadda yadda.

    https://youtu.be/0xGt3QmRSZY

  16. #19876
    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    And yet the leavers were all "We'll be Norway and Switzerland." yadda yadda.

    https://youtu.be/0xGt3QmRSZY
    Well, UK has great reputation as safe haven for various money gotten through questionable means, so, certainly could double down on that aspect outside of EU (given that Switzerland cooperated with EU a lot on that front and had lost reputation on being "safe").

  17. #19877
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    A remainer took Boris to court over the bus, the Judge took 5 minutes and threw the case out. The NHS is already planned and diaried in to receive 384 million extra a week as a benefit of brexit a couple of years after we leave, exceeding the claims on the bus. He wasn't lying...
    I looked this up, and it is actually a figure floated by May back in 2018 (you know, when Brexit was going so well). She wants to pay for it by increased taxation and borrowing on top of some of the money saved from EU membership dues. She didn't say where the taxation would happen. The money will ramp up over time, with the increase of 384 million per week being tabled for the 2023/24 fiscal year. However, I find it hard to believe that this would be able to go ahead if VAT were to be abolished - that was certainly not an option on the table at the time - in particular as she planned to increase tax revenue to pay for it.

    He must have a plan right?
    It's Michael Gove. I wouldn't bet on it.

  18. #19878
    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    And yet the leavers were all "We'll be Norway and Switzerland." yadda yadda.

    https://youtu.be/0xGt3QmRSZY
    That video is far from honest.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9dKcjfeVTs

  19. #19879
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    It's Michael Gove's plan only announced a few hours ago, I don't know, ask him. I expect when the candidates face scrutiny in their debates it will come out. He must have a plan right?
    I hope that's not the extend of your motivation... relying on hope, that is. Because you're in for the mother of all awakenings in November.
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  20. #19880
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    get rid of VAT.
    Getting rid of VAT would be even more retarded an idea than leaving the EU is.

    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    It wasn't a lie as the court case found a couple of days ago when they threw the case against Boris out. All true, soon as we leave you'll see...
    Not at all true... that isn't why they threw the case out. I know you need to believe otherwise, but come on...

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