View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #19861
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Well, they did it once more. They managed to find someone else to blame...

    https://scramnews.com/brexit-party-i...Kr8nwlWJ8zb-UY



    Bad Pakistani!

    The irony is, them leaving the EU won't change anything about those bad Pakistanis.

    Also funny, can Pakistani just vote like that? Don't they have to be British citizens to begin with? In which case, aren't they British instead of Pakistani? So many questions...
    Almost certainly 3rd gen british citizens but for argument sake any citizen of the commonwealth when in the UK can vote in UK elections.

  2. #19862
    As was expected the case attempting to prosecute Boris Johnson over lying about the £350 million has been thrown out with the judge stating that the case was "politically motivated and vexatious".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48554853

  3. #19863
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    As was expected the case attempting to prosecute Boris Johnson over lying about the £350 million has been thrown out with the judge stating that the case was "politically motivated and vexatious".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48554853
    You could've been the first country to hold their politicians accountable for lies and deceiving the public... but of course not. It'll be up to Scandinavia or the Benelux to be the trendsetters as always I suppose.
    Last edited by Rochana; 2019-06-07 at 04:05 PM.

  4. #19864
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    the judge stating that the case was "politically motivated and vexatious".
    Mr Darbishire said the attempt to prosecute Mr Johnson was "politically motivated and vexatious".
    In the interest of accuracy - Darbishire is Johnson's barrister, not the judge

    The Uxbridge and South Ruislip MP's legal team argued that the offence of misconduct in public office was about the secret abuse of power and there was nothing secret about Mr Johnson's claim
    A politician lying during a campaign is fine if they lie loudly enough and in public, apparently.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    You could've been the first country to hold their politicians accountable for lies and deceiving the public... but of course not.
    Sad but true.
    Last edited by Dizzeeyooo; 2019-06-07 at 04:08 PM.

  5. #19865
    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    You could've been the first country to hold their politicians accountable for lies and deceiving the public... but of course not.
    How dare you!? We'll have none of that justice nonsense, tyvm!
    Often updated... ?

  6. #19866
    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    You could've been the first country to hold their politicians accountable for lies and deceiving the public... but of course not. It'll be up to Scandinavia or the Benelux to be the trendsetters as always I suppose.
    Didn't Iceland beat us all to the punch there over the financial crisis in 2008?
    Quote Originally Posted by AeneasBK View Post
    Damnit hubcap, you are such a retard.
    Seriously guys, this forum would be a better place if everyone just stopped acknowledging Zenkai. It's just demeaning to everyone.

  7. #19867
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    As was expected the case attempting to prosecute Boris Johnson over lying about the £350 million has been thrown out with the judge stating that the case was "politically motivated and vexatious".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48554853
    The fact that the judge BJ's lawyer has described it as "vexatious" sums it up, really.

    Oh, it's so tiresome that I'm being taken to court for lying through my teeth. How extraordinarily bothersome, irksome and generally displeasing.
    Last edited by LeGin Tufnel; 2019-06-07 at 05:25 PM.

  8. #19868
    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    You could've been the first country to hold their politicians accountable for lies and deceiving the public... but of course not. It'll be up to Scandinavia or the Benelux to be the trendsetters as always I suppose.
    Like all democracies we do hold them to account. If you believe that they are lying don't vote for them - simple really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    The fact that the judge has described it as "vexatious" sums it up, really.

    Oh, it's so tiresome that I'm being taken to court for lying through my teeth. How extraordinarily bothersome, irksome and generally displeasing.
    Yeah, I'm not sure that's what the judge meant.

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    For those of you interested in the legalities and arguments regrading the Johnson case this blog from when the prosecution was first launched has more information.

    http://barristerblogger.com/2018/09/...blicity-stunt/
    Last edited by Pann; 2019-06-07 at 04:39 PM.

  9. #19869
    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    The fact that the judge has described it as "vexatious" sums it up, really.
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Yeah, I'm not sure that's what the judge meant.
    Again, the judge didn't say that - the person paid to defend Johnson did.
    Last edited by Dizzeeyooo; 2019-06-07 at 05:10 PM.

  10. #19870
    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    You could've been the first country to hold their politicians accountable for lies and deceiving the public... but of course not. It'll be up to Scandinavia or the Benelux to be the trendsetters as always I suppose.
    Well the reasoning goes that parliament is in charge of holding politicans accountable for the lies they use to get elected.

  11. #19871
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Like all democracies we do hold them to account. If you believe that they are lying don't vote for them - simple really.

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    Yeah, I'm not sure that's what the judge meant.

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    For those of you interested in the legalities and arguments regrading the Johnson case this blog from when the prosecution was first launched has more information.

    http://barristerblogger.com/2018/09/...blicity-stunt/
    That blog is nothing more than the opinion piece of a right-wing barrister.

    Matthew Scott:

    He dislikes nationalism, socialism and greenism in roughly equal measure

    He writes, in the article you linked:

    Of course politicians ought not to lie, but the place to refute dishonest political arguments is in debate, not in a police station interview under caution, or in the Crown Court years later. Indeed, the very idea that political arguments should be “policed” by the state is alarming.

    Nah - not particularly interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzeeyooo View Post
    Again, the judge didn't say that - the person paid to defend Johnson did.
    Yep, sorry - fixed

  12. #19872
    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    That blog is nothing more than the opinion piece of a right-wing barrister.

    Matthew Scott:

    He dislikes nationalism, socialism and greenism in roughly equal measure

    He writes, in the article you linked:

    Of course politicians ought not to lie, but the place to refute dishonest political arguments is in debate, not in a police station interview under caution, or in the Crown Court years later. Indeed, the very idea that political arguments should be “policed” by the state is alarming.

    Nah - not particularly interested.
    He's offered a legal opinion on a case which a High Court Judge agrees with. I fail to see how his political leanings are in anyway relevant...

    ...unless... the judge is also one of them right wingers as well!

    Perhaps you could offer an equally expert opinion as to why he is not correct instead of trying to attack his character?

    Anyway if you don't want to read things because you disagree with the political opinions of the author that's entirely down to you.

  13. #19873
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    He's offered a legal opinion on a case which a High Court Judge agrees with. I fail to see how his political leanings are in anyway relevant...

    ...unless... the judge is also one of them right wingers as well!

    Perhaps you could offer an equally expert opinion as to why he is not correct instead of trying to attack his character?

    Anyway if you don't want to read things because you disagree with the political opinions of the author that's entirely down to you.
    Ehrm... I did read it.

    The fact that the case has inevitably failed is not a cause for celebration unless you are in favour of retaining the status quo: our politics dominated by cult of personality allowing charismatic but ultimately flawed politicians blatantly and abhorrently dogwhistling via the rabid right wing press.

    Yep, sure, I didn't expect for one moment this case would get anywhere. Neither will attempts by mature and sane politicians to come to some sort of compromise re. Brexit. Neither will calls for proportional representation.

    The UK will shortly be swimming in a cesspit of its own shit because of the lies of BJ and others. But do carry on defending their right to lie, it's so much more important isn't it.

  14. #19874
    It is possible that the political campaign statements of a Member of Parliament may be given weight because of their source. A listener might conceivably say, 'Because this man is an MP, I trust what he is saying about immigration statistics/climate change/literacy measures.' Whether that is true to any extent of the Claimant is doubtful, given his public profile.
    God bless that argument - Johnson is known to be a serial liar, so no-one is likely to believe what he says is accurate, so he cannot be found guilty of intending to deceive people by lying in public during the referendum campaign, because no-one would believe him anyway.
    Last edited by Dizzeeyooo; 2019-06-07 at 06:16 PM.

  15. #19875
    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    He didn't email you, specifically, he's not your mate just sending you a casual email. It's an update/newsletter type thing that goes to everyone that signed up for it lol
    Well, people that can barely decipher the headlines of the SUN would actually think like he does. You know the type, the European white trash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kotuthan View Post
    Looks like the Ford executives were not joking, when they said, that if brexit hurts or threatens their profits they would close UK Plants.
    The Bridgend Plant is to close in 2020. It employs 1,700.
    If a company has to spell it out like that, it's being super friendly like. Of course they'll close a plant as soon as they see a red number connected to the UK. I wouldn't be surprised if Investors and economists aren't about to brand the UK as scorched Earth, do not touch until a few decades have passed.

    The ironic bit is... dumbass Brexiteers keep talking about the dominoe effect killing the EU bit by bit, while the reality is that... if you keep this momentum up, the dominoe effect will actually be companies leaving one after another. I mean, if your parts supplier closes his plant, you can keep importing his stuff at a higher cost, or you can just move your plant elsewhere in the EU, without facing the hassle at all. At the profit of being right within the vastly bigger market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    Almost certainly 3rd gen british citizens but for argument sake any citizen of the commonwealth when in the UK can vote in UK elections.
    So... but when the EU does this "you live here, you vote here", Dribs throws a hissy fit? How cute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzeeyooo View Post
    God bless that argument - Johnson is known to be a serial liar, so no-one is likely to believe what he says is accurate, so he cannot be found guilty of intending to deceive people by lying in public during the referendum campaign, because no-one would believe him anyway.
    Well, I'm torn about this topic. You can't just go around arresting politicians for making promises they can't keep. Mostly, because even the most honest politician will only state what he intends to do. If that's what actually comes out the other end is not entirely up to his powers, given political realities.

    However, this isn't criminally interesting because he lied. Everyone lies. The court should really have asked to hold a trial over actual fraud. They didn't just lie. They lied to swindle themselves into profit. But, alas, swindeling an entire nation is apparently so big, nobody seems to think that's even a valid case.

    Fuck yes, it is. He promised to do something he can't do. Objectively never was able to do. He used that lie to convince A NATION to commit to an action that would let him and his cronies personally profit from investment speculation betting on the demise of the British economy.

    How is this not a clear cut case? Because it's too fucking big. I hope at some point someone has the guts to just call it what it is and bring this to court for the actual crime. And then we can start talking about treason. Selling your country out is the textbook definition of treason.
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  16. #19876
    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    The UK will shortly be swimming in a cesspit of its own shit because of the lies of BJ and others. But do carry on defending their right to lie, it's so much more important isn't it.
    I linked a story related to Brexit and that I thought people might find interesting nothing more. I have not offered an opinion one way or the other let alone defended anyone's right to lie so I am not sure why you're falsely claiming that I am continuing to do so.

  17. #19877
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    You can't just go around arresting politicians for making promises they can't keep.
    This was not about promises. This was about facts he knowingly lied about.

  18. #19878
    Quote Originally Posted by Noradin View Post
    This was not about promises. This was about facts he knowingly lied about.
    I don't care. Big picture, mate. This isn't about him lying. This is about the profits he and his cronies are racking up with this escapade.

    In other words, there is no law against simple lying (unless you are in special circumstances, like witness in a court etc.).
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  19. #19879
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    I don't care. Big picture, mate. This isn't about him lying. This is about the profits he and his cronies are racking up with this escapade.

    In other words, there is no law against simple lying (unless you are in special circumstances, like witness in a court etc.).
    There is one*, but apparently they think it does not apply to MPs because "parliament" will decide their punishment case by case (and decided not to punish BJ).

    *misconduct in public office

  20. #19880
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post

    So... but when the EU does this "you live here, you vote here", Dribs throws a hissy fit? How cute.
    They're picking their battles. First it's the EU (since that was where they had the highest chance of winning.). Then it will be the Asians and other foreigners. Then it will be the multi ethnics. (British + X)

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