[EU] Brexit negotiations at a standstill

[Kallisto]

Don't try. The thread of logic employed by hardcore Brexiteers goes like this.

The UK is special. Everyone has to bend over backwards in order to make Brexit as seamless and profitable as possible for them. If they decide to not do that, and not doing so harms the UK, then that is a threat.

Unfortunately that's the view of the average brexiteer. People like to act like Dribbles is a one off. But unfortunately basically every brexiteer I know is like Dribbles or worse. They somehow think the UK will be a big player in the world with everyone falling over themselves to be our BFFs making deals on Britain's terms.

[Mayhem]

That may all be so, however the problem for Ireland and the EU is this.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/irelan...ce-414646.html

You cannot expect the UK to protect Irish airspace and yet be banned from using that very same airspace commercially. That is why the EU must capitulate and make an agreement otherwise all it will take to concentrate EU/Irish minds is the sight of a Russian bomber flying over Dublin at will.

Still waiting for that flight route map dribbs, come on, help me out here, be a chap!

Also, just what route are Russian bombers going to take to reach Irish airspace?

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Unfortunately that's the view of the average brexiteer. People like to act like Dribbles is a one off. But unfortunately basically every brexiteer I know is like Dribbles or worse. They somehow think the UK will be a big player in the world with everyone falling over themselves to be our BFFs making deals on Britain's terms.

I can't exactly get my head around their idea of protecting everything that's theirs and keeping everyone out while also being on an island dependant on imports.

[Slant]

No I found your numbers as well, just looked at your parliaments research briefings and they had different numbers. Just weird.

Not weird. Did you actually think the Brexit side was honourable enough to not fake numbers when it suits them? :P

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I see ships my friend from the mountains, I see ships. Who would control the shipping lanes?

Stand ready chaps, time to man the blockades, as the EU commands thy will be done

That's right, bitch. And don't you forget it.

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Oh my Dribbs is threatening war again. Whatever shall we do

Join the fun, declare war right back at him. It will confuse his tiny brain and we might see an actual brain melt.

[dribbles]

Still waiting for that flight route map dribbs, come on, help me out here, be a chap!

Also, just what route are Russian bombers going to take to reach Irish airspace?

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I can't exactly get my head around their idea of protecting everything that's theirs and keeping everyone out while also being on an island dependant on imports.

I don't usually do requests, but seeing as it is you my friend...



Good enough?

[Slant]

Get ready for a blast from the past then.

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There are more chances of us joining Russia then us joining the UK.
You can't really expect us joining the UK after they ramp-sacked the country for 600 years.

Heh, good one.

Nobody expects you to join the UK. What we do wonder, though, is how the Irish would feel about a hard border. Now, we know you're no fans of the idea and would prefer no border, to keep peace on the Island. But let's assume Dribs' wet dream comes true and the UK crashes out due to sheer incompetence (ie. being British). How would Ireland act? What do the Irish think? Would they understand the EU's need for integrity and a properly maintained border?

The alternative is cutting Ireland out of the EU, really. And that's an idea the EU wouldn't want.

[Pann]

That may all be so, however the problem for Ireland and the EU is this.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/irelan...ce-414646.html

You cannot expect the UK to protect Irish airspace and yet be banned from using that very same airspace commercially. That is why the EU must capitulate and make an agreement otherwise all it will take to concentrate EU/Irish minds is the sight of a Russian bomber flying over Dublin at will.

I really hope that article is wrong and the Irish are not relying on RAF Tornadoes to shoot down hostile aircraft their airspace!

We retired the Tornado ADV (Air Defence Variant) in 2011!

[Fuiking]

Yes, and you're the first dutch to bring up that shit in a conversation with me. EVER! Either that says something about your countrymen or about you. I'm not sure which, yet...

Maybe im a hidden Belgian? or more one who got shafted during the so-called dutch golden age when my province was basically a wingewest (still is!)

[Kiri]

That may all be so, however the problem for Ireland and the EU is this.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/irelan...ce-414646.html

You cannot expect the UK to protect Irish airspace and yet be banned from using that very same airspace commercially. That is why the EU must capitulate and make an agreement otherwise all it will take to concentrate EU/Irish minds is the sight of a Russian bomber flying over Dublin at will.

The UK is not banned though. They only need to ensure that their aircrafts meet the standards and they are good to go. Or are you saying the mighty UK cannot quickly create a proper agency for that? They had two years to do so, after all.

Besides, the UK has an interest in continuing to protect the Irish airspace because, and I guess that will come as a shock to you - it is pretty close to UK airspace. A bomber over Liverpool is 218 kilometers away from being a bomber over Liverpool. The UK would want to have its fighters up in the air by that point already, if they want to protect UK airspace. Besides, the UK wants to be able to operate in the East, too, so that they can intercept aircraft coming from there. It's almost like cooperation is useful for both sides.

[Mayhem]

I don't usually do requests, but seeing as it is you my friend...



Good enough?

You've posted that one, I was asking for the UK, not for Ireland, I get that you can mix up those two countries at times, but I never thought you of all people would not know what the UK is.

[Pann]

I don't usually do requests, but seeing as it is you my friend...



Good enough?

Wow! I never knew that aeroplanes had to fly in straight lines and couldn't turn. I guess it's a bit like dogs... you know... not being able to look up.

I'll get my coat.

[dribbles]

I really hope that article is wrong and the Irish are not relying on RAF Tornadoes to shoot down hostile aircraft their airspace!

We retired the Tornado ADV (Air Defence Variant) in 2011!

Must be an old stock photo, what we have now goes to fast for an updated picture!

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/roya...efend-ireland/

Wow! I never knew that aeroplanes had to fly in straight lines and couldn't turn. I guess it's a bit like dogs... you know... not being able to look up.

I'll get my coat.

A bit inconvenient though when leaving Dublin having to fly to Africa before turning right to make a landing in Paris!

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Maybe im a hidden Belgian? or more one who got shafted during the so-called dutch golden age when my province was basically a wingewest (still is!)

Sneaky. As long as you're European, I don't care really. Belgian, Dutch.. it's all just different flavours of cool people.

[Kiri]

Must be an old stock photo, what we have now goes to fast for an updated picture!

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/roya...efend-ireland/



A bit inconvenient though when leaving Dublin having to fly to Africa before turning right to make a landing in Paris!

More inconvenient than trying to fly around Europe when you want to go to any place east of the UK?

[dribbles]

More inconvenient than trying to fly around Europe when you want to go to any place east of the UK?

We've nailed our colours to the mast and taken the view that west is best :P

[Pann]

A bit inconvenient though when leaving Dublin having to fly to Africa before turning right to make a landing in Paris!

I know Ryanair are famous for landing at airports that are far away from their stated destination but that is taking the biscuit!

Why would an aircraft flying from Dublin to Paris need to travel to Africa before turning left (right would take them out over the Atlantic)? Wouldn't it be more sensible to fly around Land's End before turning to fly over Brittany and then on to Paris?

[Kiri]

We've nailed our colours to the mast and taken the view that west is best :P

Weren't there some commonwealth countries that you wanted to be besties with that, you know....are not west of the UK?

[dribbles]

I know Ryanair are famous for landing at airports that are far away from their stated destination but that is taking the biscuit!

Why would an aircraft flying from Dublin to Paris need to travel to Africa before turning left (right would take them out over the Atlantic)? Wouldn't it be more sensible to fly around Land's End before turning to fly over Brittany and then on to Paris?

Ah yes nice, I was looking at the map, should have realised from the pilots perspective head left for the looney lefties, easy way to remember it..

Weren't there some commonwealth countries that you wanted to be besties with that, you know....are not west of the UK?

Are we or are we not allowed though? That is the question.

[alexw]

That may all be so, however the problem for Ireland and the EU is this.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/irelan...ce-414646.html

You cannot expect the UK to protect Irish airspace and yet be banned from using that very same airspace commercially. That is why the EU must capitulate and make an agreement otherwise all it will take to concentrate EU/Irish minds is the sight of a Russian bomber flying over Dublin at will.

What on earth are you talking about? The UK are not banned from Irish airspace. Did you not read what I posted? The UK is withdrawing from current existing agreements that allow it to fly and land in other nations territories. How is that the UK being banned when its deciding it doesn't want access via the EASA anymore?

[dribbles]

What on earth are you talking about? The UK are not banned from Irish airspace. Did you not read what I posted? The UK is withdrawing from current existing agreements that allow it to fly and land in other nations territories. How is that the UK being banned when its deciding it doesn't want access via the EASA anymore?

Did you miss the news? Let me bring you up to date :- BRITISH AIRLINES COULD BE BANNED FROM IRELAND'S AIRSPACE AFTER BREXIT, IRISH PRIME MINISTER WARNS

Yes but you have to fly over Ireland to go west . . .

I think you can fly to the North Pole! Which is the best option for you since you need to go and demand to see Santa since he failed to give you your empire back.

Funny you mention the poles, it's a bugger that the circumference of the earth is smaller there, you were saying about flying over Ireland? ( we just miss it) I promise it looks a whole different ballgame from the Paris perspective, so a typical uk flightpath shown thus :-



(especially for that very interested mapfiend Mayhem too!)

[Slant]

You know Dribs has really lost the argument way before you guys let him debate the finer details of airline routes. Seriously, why not pin him on more interesting topics.