[EU] Brexit negotiations at a standstill

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I'm surprising labour is performing so poorly when the tories are fucking up brexit so much. People must really hate socialist Jeremy Corbyn.

[Kronik85]

I'm surprising labour is performing so poorly when the tories are fucking up brexit so much. People must really hate socialist Jeremy Corbyn.

His policies are popular, the man himself is not. Mostly because the media is united in smearing him whenever they get the chance and he provides plenty of opportunities for them to do so.

The man is not a saint, he's also no more of a shit stain (probably a great deal less infact) than JRM and BoJo who the media seems to have a bizarre infatuation with.

[Dizzeeyooo]

Let's turn it around: They fucked up so hard that despite all the non-stop propaganda people are churning out, they are still about to lose their spot to Labour

lol

I'm surprising labour is performing so poorly when the tories are fucking up brexit so much. People must really hate socialist Jeremy Corbyn.

When he stops supporting and enabling a Tory Brexit, his fortunes will improve

[Kronik85]

When he stops supporting and enabling a Tory Brexit, his fortunes will improve

I was surprised by the latest polling which indicates that around 75% of Labour supporters want him to actually come.out against Brexit, thought it was more split than that. I've said this before but the problem for Jeremy Corbyn's Labour and the reason he can't fight Brexit (even if he wanted to....which he doesn't but anyway) is that they've maxed out their support, if they manage to force out another GE they won't fair any better so they cannot afford to lose the Brexiteers. Too many floating voters find Jeremy Corbyn too distateful to vote for but they would vote Labour in a heartbeat if it had a less divisive figurehead.

The man is marmite, I like where he has pulled the party over to but they need someone more saleable to actually win a GE.

[Kronik85]

Heck in a poll we linked earlier in this thread, if there was a GE today and Labour failed to campaign in favour of a People's Vote, Lib Dem could actually overtake them.

Because of Labour's behaviour over Brexit I'd love to vote Lib Dem, if a GE was called tomorrow though knowing that there is no support for Lib Dem in my constituency, when I got to the ballot box I'd go Labour. A Tory win is too dangerous for the country right now.

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The date that Mays deals gets voted down in Parliament has been set for the 15th of January.

Let's see if she postpones it again.

[Shalcker]

Heck in a poll we linked earlier in this thread, if there was a GE today and Labour failed to campaign in favour of a People's Vote, Lib Dem could actually overtake them.

Corbyn's socialist Left Labour is just not going to get a majority without a major economic disaster.

Well, then you should see why Corbyn is pro-Brexit... that's chance to unseat Tories and implement more radical left policies that wouldn't be available otherwise.

For Labour to be able to get a majority they need to be center-left. The working class alone is just too divided to get a majority without middle class support. In a different electoral system, I'd be very much in favour of Corbyn staying Corbyn; communist parties should exist to place pressure on the center left to actually act in the favor of the working class instead of issuing platitudes. But as it is now, neither of the two parties that have any chance of ruling the UK represent the middle class.

Divide-and-conquer left Tories with everyone divided and nothing to conquer?

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nice to see them practicing traffic jam queues today

[Pann]

His policies are popular, the man himself is not.

I see little evidence that Labour policies are popular outside core Labour supporters and from what I read business in general is terrified of a Corbyn government.

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Heck in a poll we linked earlier in this thread, if there was a GE today and Labour failed to campaign in favour of a People's Vote, Lib Dem could actually overtake them.

There is no way, people's vote or not, that the Lib Dems will overtake the Labour party.

[Kronik85]

I see little evidence that Labour policies are popular outside core Labour supporters and from what I read business in general is terrified of a Corbyn government.

Nationalisation needs a little tempering. Never heard any quibbles about the rest.

[Mormolyce]

I'm surprising labour is performing so poorly when the tories are fucking up brexit so much. People must really hate socialist Jeremy Corbyn.

LOL. Outside of the US, the word "socialist" doesn't elicit a Pavlovian response.

No, it's more likely his wishy-washy position on Brexit, and the usual infighting.

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I see little evidence that Labour policies are popular outside core Labour supporters and from what I read business in general is terrified of a Corbyn government.

Guess that's why May did so well out of her snap election.

Oh wait lel.

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Well, then you should see why Corbyn is pro-Brexit... that's chance to unseat Tories and implement more radical left policies that wouldn't be available otherwise.

Better watch out for the radical left says the guy whose country has Lenin's corpse in a glass box lol.

[Pann]

Nationalisation needs a little tempering. Never heard any quibbles about the rest.

Given that Corbyn has stated that nationalisation would essentially cost nothing when in reality it would cost hundreds of billions (I have read some estimates that the costs would be as high a trillion), which would increase the costs of servicing national debt and therefore place government finances under additional pressure, it is unsurprising that people have given little thought to the subject.

I seem to recall their plan to force companies to give up 10% of equity and pay workers up to £500 for the privilege wasn't that popular nor was the idea of seizing privately owned property to give to the homeless.

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Guess that's why May did so well out of her snap election.

Oh wait lel.

What? Do you have a point that is related to my post?

[Mormolyce]

What? Do you have a point that is related to my post?

If the public hates Corbyn so much then how did he steal May's lunch, and despite everyone's dumping on Corbyn the Tories actually LOST ground?

Need me to spell it out with even smaller words?

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https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1082146978308476928

This cost 50 grand and is proof Chris Grayling can't organise a traffic jam.

Mental.


Not sure if anyone has seen what the yellow vest cunts are up to today :

https://twitter.com/BBCNormanS/statu...83185159983104
https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/stat...88203187523589
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/stat...56193035345920

[Pann]

If the public hates Corbyn so much then how did he steal May's lunch, and despite everyone's dumping on Corbyn the Tories actually LOST ground?

Need me to spell it out with even smaller words?

He didn't. Labour lost.

However that is besides the point as Kronik85 and I were talking about what is happening now in the UK and, for reasons known only unto yourself, you decided that the GE in 2017 somehow contradicts the current situation.

No, thank you. You've made it quite clear, once again, that you do not know what you're talking about.

[Slant]

https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1082146978308476928

This cost 50 grand and is proof Chris Grayling can't organise a traffic jam.

Mental.


Not sure if anyone has seen what the yellow vest cunts are up to today :

https://twitter.com/BBCNormanS/statu...83185159983104
https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/stat...88203187523589
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/stat...56193035345920

The amusing bit is... the EU doesn't give a shit. It's bureaucrats, they've prepared for almost 2 years for a no deal. How is this "scaring them" or in any other way helping... what case? The EU knew all this before, they're the ones that told the UK this would happen. Thanks for proving them right, I guess?

[Kallisto]

https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1082146978308476928

This cost 50 grand and is proof Chris Grayling can't organise a traffic jam.

Mental.


Not sure if anyone has seen what the yellow vest cunts are up to today :

https://twitter.com/BBCNormanS/statu...83185159983104
https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/stat...88203187523589
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/stat...56193035345920

At this point I am actually starting to fear we are only days or even weeks away from another Jo Cox incident with how more and more they are getting riled up.

[Slant]

At this point I am actually starting to fear we are only days or even weeks away from another Jo Cox incident with how more and more they are getting riled up.

Was that the woman that was shot?

[Kallisto]

Was that the woman that was shot?

Yeah shot and stabbed by a far right maniac

[Kronik85]

Given that Corbyn has stated that nationalisation would essentially cost nothing when in reality it would cost hundreds of billions (I have read some estimates that the costs would be as high a trillion), which would increase the costs of servicing national debt and therefore place government finances under additional pressure, it is unsurprising that people have given little thought to the subject.

I seem to recall their plan to force companies to give up 10% of equity and pay workers up to £500 for the privilege wasn't that popular nor was the idea of seizing privately owned property to give to the homeless.?

Sorry should of said Manifesto rather than policies earlier. Using https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39933116 to give it all a refresh and unless you are ideologically opposed to renationalisation or earn over 80k then it's a good manifesto.

The Independent has some polling of opinions on said manifesto and they appear to be popular.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7731536.html

For something anecdotal I'm all for renationalising the railways (from what I understand it's franchised, renationalisation is simply a case of letting existing franchise agreements expire) and then my enthusiasm wanes.