I actually thought the speech was going ok and then she simply turned around and walked away.
I really thought there was going to finally be some sort of direction or clarity tonight, ffs.
I just don't understand what her game is.
I am looking at my family members atm, some want out, some want in, but in the end they just want something to damn happen more than anything.
Thatcher liked what he did with the party. Make of that what you will.
And I agree with what you said about Labour taking part of the blame for this as well. Because they are trying to make political capital out of this, just like the Tories are, because of the deeply damaging FPTP system. Get rid of that and let MPs properly represent the people that elect them, and move away from childish, divisive, confrontational politics that we have today.
This whole debacle, that started with Cameron, can be traced back to FPTP and its corrosive influence on British politics.
When challenging a Kzin, a simple scream of rage is sufficient. You scream and you leap.
Originally Posted by George CarlinOriginally Posted by Douglas Adams
That could also mean anything. Like you know she could have liked that there was actually an opposition in place now. During the 80s Labour were a joke. They had as a manifesto the longest suicide note in history it was that bad.
It took Kinnock to wake up in the late 80s even though he was tainted with old Labour and then John Smith to get the ball rolling and Blair to give it true momentum to actually have Labour as electable to the citizens of the UK.
The only reason Corbyn got close was because people were voting against May and the Tory lead brexit and how she seemingly showed contempt to the democratic procedure by just not campaigning. IF anyone else was in charge of Labour. Even Ed Milliband it would almost be certain that we'd have a Labour government right now, likely propped up by LD, SNP and Greens/Plaid due to how many people are put off by Corbyn.
Agree 100% with all of this.
Well, were Blair's 'ministries' as bad as Thatcher's? Major's? Cameron's? May's?
No. Absolutely not.
Anyway - it's not the argument at hand.
/sigh What a complete, unmitigated disaster.
See you all at Wetherspoons in one capacity or another...
I've just read through the transcript of her speech, and it literally makes my skin crawl. The amount of rank hypocrisy in there is off the scale. It is honestly beyond me how we allowed anyone with that little human warmth and self-awareness to become leader of this country. If nothing else tells me we absolutely have to reform the entire political structure, root and branch, it's the ability of our current system to promote a Dickensian satire made flesh to the highest political office in our land.
Sort this debacle out first, but recognise it's just a symptom. Once we are finished with it, we need to move onto the root cause.
When challenging a Kzin, a simple scream of rage is sufficient. You scream and you leap.
Originally Posted by George CarlinOriginally Posted by Douglas Adams
The thing is I do (well, did...) like Corbyn as a politician. I do like his policies (even if I think the UK won't accept such a radical swing to the left) and I think a faction in the Labour party have scored a massive own-goal in the way they worked so fervently against him instead of working towards compromise.
But since Brexit Corbyn has been acting like a massive cock and playing party politics instead of working as leader of the opposition and trying to find a way through this for the good of the country. He's basically been as bad as May.
What those two should have done is worked for a cross-party consensus that would have allowed May to give the ERG the finger. I suspect we should have ended up with some sort of customs union with regulatory alignment. It would have pissed off the rich twats who wanted special trade deals and obviously not been as good as remaining in the EU, but it would have respected the concerns about immigration and paying in to the EU whilst minimising the damage to Northern Ireland and the UK economy.
If May had been stubborn and decided her shitty deal trying to appease the ERG and DUP was the only way to go then Corbyn should have worked with other opposition parties and Tory rebels to push for a 2nd referendum.
Can only get better if we see it through
That means me and I mean you too
Who knew that this would be May's Brexit strategy? Truly visionaries.
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I'm not defending Corbyn's behaviour but at which point and with hindsight was he to reach out exactly? She has ignored every olive branch and shut down every dialogue.