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As a remainer I almost want to cry when I hear remainers talking this.
These are terrible, awful arguments. If somebody had been whispering this stuff to me the day of the vote I'm not sure how I'd have voted.
You need to stop parroting the ghasty, useless counter-productive strategy of the actual remain campaign. Without that campaign remain would have won easily.
You people need to get this into your skulls: NO ONE, BUT NO ONE GIVES A FUCK ABOUT THE BANKS LEAVING. At best people don't care, at worst they actively loathe the banks. Stop tying your argument to a group of people which everyone fucking hates. You might as well point to the fact that immigrant child molesters are leaving.
More generally most people don't care about the wider health of the economy, because a healthy economy has not benefited most people in the slightest, it has all gone to the top.
Do you seriously think any one blathering on about thousands of tonnes of aluminum is going to change people's minds?
You need to reframe your argument so that EU membership means something to ordinary people's lives.
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How about:
Less doctors and nursing staff in surgeries and hospitals -> longer waiting times for both GPs and hospital beds (20% of medical staff in London hospitals were from the EU and the nationwide average was 5% before 2016, by 2021 there will be over 50k vacancies).
Less people to harvest food -> less food available and it thus becomes more expensive (primarily done by eastern european seasonal workers).
Less farm subsidies -> food more expensive and less of it (provided by the EU)
Less teaching staff in schools and universities -> more students per teacher -> lower quality education
Wealth gap increases as living costs rise and living standards decrease
Just to make sure nobody dreams of unicorns tonight:
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...1&guccounter=1
Another nail in the coffin of no-deal, Dribs. Tick, tock, baby. Is your clock late? What's going on, mate?Nancy Pelosi Warns 'No Chance Whatsoever' Of US-UK Trade Deal If Brexit Harms Good Friday Agreement
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Not unicorns at all matey, because of brexit...
UK is found to be hottest investment destination despite Brexit - knocking the United States off the top spot for the first time in FIVE years
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...te-Brexit.html
You still here, hanging around in the UK like a bad smell? Hurry up will you, can't have you still here to vote in the EU elections, Sargon has a job to do.
But to be fair now you have told us why you always appear a little fraught on the forums in that you are missing your HRT tablets let me help you out.
https://www.theindependentpharmacy.c...proxen-tablets
Order before 4pm for delivery tomorrow, go on make the world a happier place get some right now ffs.
13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"
Also from your link :
https://www.theindependentpharmacy.c...k-price-update
13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"
This is what happens when Tory and Labour politicians betray the people who put them in power, but they are finished now. And it is worrying. What idiot will vote Conservative or Labour when not a word out of their mouths can you trust?
People only have three choices in upcoming elections, one extreme clearly offering remain is the Lib Dems, the centre mainstream ground occupied by the Brexit party and the other extreme being UKIP.
Tbh I cant make my mind up yet between UKIPs Sargon and Dankula with his nazi dog or go mainstream with Farages Brexit party. I suppose like most moderate sensible people I'll go with the majority and Farage in the end. But for now I sit on the fence...
I wonder if the Lib Dems, the only clear remain party, will even break 10% of the vote such is the unpopularity of that?
I doubt they'll do better with remain as their policy than the Sargon lot will with their extreme leave.
Oh well, does that leave Nigel Farage for PM? Don't rule it out.
13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"
13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"
I'd suggest that your analogy, in terms of actual numbers, is wildly and spectacularly inaccurate.
A better analogy would be e.g.,
Pet population of UK 2014
Hamsters vs lizards. 50/50 split.
Sure - but these polls are indicative of the moment. So, if there was a GE tomorrow, Labour could well win. But May is not about to call a GE. Why would she? It'd require a motion of no confidence where a significant number of Tories (and/or the DUP) abstain or vote with the opposition. This has been suggested as a possibility but actually could only come to pass in the event of a cliff edge where the UK is looking likely to crash out of the EU and principled / suicidal remainer Tories vote with Labour. The polar opposite of that - DUP and leaver Tories abstaining/voting against the government in the event of a softer Brexit - wouldn’t come to pass because Labour should in theory be onside with the government.
I’d suggest a more likely scenario is: May succeeds in a) pushing through her deal more or less as is (with the help of Labour whose leadership don’t really want a soft Brexit) and b) holds her party together in the process. Her legacy secured, she resigns to be placed by a Tory grass-roots favourite. Labour can table a motion of no confidence but this would likely fail as there’d be no real reason at this point for the DUP or leave Tories to abstain or vote with the opposition.
The result: no GE until 2022. By which time the polls will be completely different.
Yep, well - exactly. Labour could be even more popular by that point. It was more, I don't really see a GE happening any time soon so polls are a moot point. Local council elections: yep, the Tories will get hammered. Absolutely hammered. Ditto EU elections. But it's still not going to result in anything on a national level unless Tory MPs abstain or vote against the government in a no confidence vote.
I'll be voting for independent candidates in the local election and either Green, Lib Dem or Change UK in the EP election.
If there was a GE now? I'd piss on my ballot paper. Literally.
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Sounds sensible, opened up the Labour EU manifesto, first thing I read was:
Stopped reading the thing. Not having my vote taken hostage again like it was at the last GE. I don't trust Change UK at all, Chukka in my mind is Labour's (formerly I guess) very own BoJo, man thinks he's owed the Premiership, same for the rest of the high profile Change UK members, they all think they were owed a much bigger role than they were getting in Labour and the Conservatives and now think this is their break.Originally Posted by Labour Manifesto
So Lib Dem for me I think, seems a little more sensible than Green. Independent is good thinking for the local election though, will have to do some research on my local candidates.
Last edited by Kronik85; 2019-04-17 at 11:53 AM.
Corbyn has no chance, and I was someone who wanted him in the first place, but the baggage around him has proven too much. He couldn't beat one of the worst run campaigns I've ever seen, May was there to be beaten and he fluffed it.