[EU] Brexit negotiations at a standstill

[dribbles]

I'm not sure Dribbles can either lose or win. He's channeling Nigel Farage, that's his goal. By the limited standards of this goal he is doing quite well. I'm not sure anything else matters to his belief system. Brexiteers are an odd sort of creature, like plankton or turtles or something, rules which apply to others don't apply to them.

I quite like that, but if I may correct a small detail I would say brexiteers are plankton and remainers are turtles. One is far more populous than the other...

[Dizzeeyooo]

Probably also useful to remember that MEPs are not always reflective of their party leadership - vast majority of Labour MEPs are very decent people (shout-out to Seb Dance), and the Conservatives also have quite a few good ones (like Richard Ashworth).

Probably need to update this, as Richard Ashworth has just joined TIG, along with Julie Girling, one of his equally decent colleagues.

Conservatives are actually going to get destroyed in these elections

[LeGin Tufnel]

I quite like that, but if I may correct a small detail I would say brexiteers are plankton and remainers are turtles. One is far more populous than the other...

I'd suggest that your analogy, in terms of actual numbers, is wildly and spectacularly inaccurate.

A better analogy would be e.g.,

Pet population of UK 2014

Hamsters vs lizards. 50/50 split.

[Northern Goblin]

Can you explain that logic?

Every poll shows that Corbyn almost as good as certain is going to end up being Prime Minister,

No they don't. He hasn't a cat in hell's chance.

He had his best shot last time and still lost by over 50 seats. He will never be Prime Minister.

[Rochana]

No they don't. He hasn't a cat in hell's chance.

He had his best shot last time and still lost by over 50 seats. He will never be Prime Minister.

Just to make clear that I'm not just making this up here is a news article discussing in same polls: Jeremy Corbyn ‘on course to be prime minister’ as third poll in two days shows collapse in Tory support | The Independent https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8869171.html

And a bit of googling for recent GE polls should also show how massive Labour's lead is at the moment. UKIP and Brexit Party are cannibalizing the Tory voters.

I personally have no horse in this race, I'd rather prefer a PM that would cancel Brexit, but a BINO is probably just as good if not better for the EU.

[LeGin Tufnel]

Just to make clear that I'm not just making this up here is a news article discussing in same polls: Jeremy Corbyn ‘on course to be prime minister’ as third poll in two days shows collapse in Tory support | The Independent https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8869171.html

And a bit of googling for recent GE polls should also show how massive Labour's lead is at the moment. UKIP and Brexit Party are cannibalizing the Tory voters.

I personally have no horse in this race, I'd rather prefer a PM that would cancel Brexit, but a BINO is probably just as good if not better for the EU.

Sure - but these polls are indicative of the moment. So, if there was a GE tomorrow, Labour could well win. But May is not about to call a GE. Why would she? It'd require a motion of no confidence where a significant number of Tories (and/or the DUP) abstain or vote with the opposition. This has been suggested as a possibility but actually could only come to pass in the event of a cliff edge where the UK is looking likely to crash out of the EU and principled / suicidal remainer Tories vote with Labour. The polar opposite of that - DUP and leaver Tories abstaining/voting against the government in the event of a softer Brexit - wouldn’t come to pass because Labour should in theory be onside with the government.

I’d suggest a more likely scenario is: May succeeds in a) pushing through her deal more or less as is (with the help of Labour whose leadership don’t really want a soft Brexit) and b) holds her party together in the process. Her legacy secured, she resigns to be placed by a Tory grass-roots favourite. Labour can table a motion of no confidence but this would likely fail as there’d be no real reason at this point for the DUP or leave Tories to abstain or vote with the opposition.

The result: no GE until 2022. By which time the polls will be completely different.

[Nymrohd]

Be interesting if Brexit drags out until a then, considering nobody born this century voted for brexit. They might be militant by then.

While I cannot fathom ANOTHER extension being given, the trade negotiations will continue long past 2022. As will the backstop being enforced.

[LeGin Tufnel]

Be interesting if Brexit drags out until a then, considering nobody born this century voted for brexit. They might be militant by then.

Yep, well - exactly. Labour could be even more popular by that point. It was more, I don't really see a GE happening any time soon so polls are a moot point. Local council elections: yep, the Tories will get hammered. Absolutely hammered. Ditto EU elections. But it's still not going to result in anything on a national level unless Tory MPs abstain or vote against the government in a no confidence vote.

I'll be voting for independent candidates in the local election and either Green, Lib Dem or Change UK in the EP election.

If there was a GE now? I'd piss on my ballot paper. Literally.

[Noradin]

I personally have no horse in this race, I'd rather prefer a PM that would cancel Brexit, but a BINO is probably just as good if not better for the EU.

Not for the EU but probalby for the UK.
The EU would prefer constructive participation.

[Slant]

While I cannot fathom ANOTHER extension being given, the trade negotiations will continue long past 2022. As will the backstop being enforced.

To be fair, if their political class is ripping itself apart, I would grant them another extension just to let that happen and run its full course. :P That would be the political/diplomatic version of "I'm not touching! I'm not touching you! I'm not touching!"

[Kronik85]

Yep, well - exactly. Labour could be even more popular by that point. It was more, I don't really see a GE happening any time soon so polls are a moot point. Local council elections: yep, the Tories will get hammered. Absolutely hammered. Ditto EU elections. But it's still not going to result in anything on a national level unless Tory MPs abstain or vote against the government in a no confidence vote.

I'll be voting for independent candidates in the local election and either Green, Lib Dem or Change UK in the EP election.

Sounds sensible, opened up the Labour EU manifesto, first thing I read was:

Labour accepts the referendum result and a Labour government will put the national interest first.

We will prioritise jobs and living standards, build a close new relationship with the EU, protect workers’ rights and environmental standards, provide certainty to EU nationals and give a meaningful role to Parliament throughout negotiations.

We will end Theresa May’s reckless approach to Brexit, and seek to unite the country around a Brexit deal that works for every community in Britain.

Stopped reading the thing. Not having my vote taken hostage again like it was at the last GE. I don't trust Change UK at all, Chukka in my mind is Labour's (formerly I guess) very own BoJo, man thinks he's owed the Premiership, same for the rest of the high profile Change UK members, they all think they were owed a much bigger role than they were getting in Labour and the Conservatives and now think this is their break.

So Lib Dem for me I think, seems a little more sensible than Green. Independent is good thinking for the local election though, will have to do some research on my local candidates.

[draykorinee]

Corbyn has no chance, and I was someone who wanted him in the first place, but the baggage around him has proven too much. He couldn't beat one of the worst run campaigns I've ever seen, May was there to be beaten and he fluffed it.

[Acidbaron]

I would much rather see a currently now smaller party take far more control, Corbyn is equally terrible as May, far too old to have any connection with todays issues, on top of that he has no issue with antisemtism and other forms of racism in his party, probably due to one himself.

Also i don't get why people would still vote for Farage, even if you believe in a hard brexit. He is the biggest fraud and political coward in the whole of the UK. He ran like a rat from the sinking ship that is the Brexit the second it came into play. The only exit strategy he had was for himself and his family to move into the EU.

Only to host embarrassing interviews for gullible folk who prefer the russian translation of western news. And rallies he couldn't even finish himself.

The only thing he has got going for him is being loud, what is generally the case for empty headed fools. And people like Dribbles still plan on voting for that, rofl.

Hey dribbles want to buy some magic beans, i'll even accept the pound, lol.

[dribbles]

I would much rather see a currently now smaller party take far more control, Corbyn is equally terrible as May, far too old to have any connection with todays issues, on top of that he has no issue with antisemtism and other forms of racism in his party, probably due to one himself.

Also i don't get why people would still vote for Farage, even if you believe in a hard brexit. He is the biggest fraud and political coward in the whole of the UK. He ran like a rat from the sinking ship that is the Brexit the second it came into play. The only exit strategy he had was for himself and his family to move into the EU.

Only to host embarrassing interviews for gullible folk who prefer the russian translation of western news. And rallies he couldn't even finish himself.

The only thing he has got going for him is being loud, what is generally the case for empty headed fools. And people like Dribbles still plan on voting for that, rofl.

Hey dribbles want to buy some magic beans, i'll even accept the pound, lol.

Why vote for Farage? Hey even Verhofstadt is a fan now so does that make me a good European? Hear it from the man himself eurochums...



Now all we need is a few more votes for the AfD in Germany and the EU is gone like a Notre Dame puff of smoke.

First the EU elections, not long after 10 Downing Street here he comes.

Farage's Brexit Party to top EU elections in Britain - poll

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-br...rce=reddit.com

[Pann]

The Brexit Party is looking like a strong contender in the upcoming EP elections.

https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/sta...84121209253894

[dribbles]

The Brexit Party is looking like a strong contender in the upcoming EP elections.

https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/sta...84121209253894

And the only thing to take from that is the British people will have definitively given a mandate for a hard no deal Brexit once again. I can almost feel the tears of the weeping remainers and EU fanatics...

[Pann]

And the only thing to take from that is the British people will have definitively given a mandate for a hard no deal Brexit once again. I can almost feel the tears of the weeping remainers and EU fanatics...

It's only the European Parliament elections... Outside of the countries where voting is compulsory no-one cares so let's not get carried away.

[Thrundi]

And the only thing to take from that is the British people will have definitively given a mandate for a hard no deal Brexit once again. I can almost feel the tears of the weeping remainers and EU fanatics...

That would only be true if participation is really high.
Else, it only proves that kingdomers don't give a fuck about the EU. Which doesn't automatically equate to a pro brexit stance. At all.
Actually, it may, by analogy, prove that they're pretty much like citizens of other EU countries

[Kronik85]

The Brexit Party is looking like a strong contender in the upcoming EP elections.

https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/sta...84121209253894

It's unsurprising that the Brexit Party is polling well, Brexiteers have been given a very clear option as to who they should be voting for. Unfortunately for Remain there isn't a clear one or even a party that outright rejects Brexit.

ChUK, Green and Lib Dem are on the Second Ref train, not the Revoke train whilst Labour and Conservative both want to implement Brexit without a Second Ref. If Labour would stop trying to ride all the horses at once and switch to, at the very least, campaigning on a Second Ref then they would come away from the EU elections with the largest share of MEPs by a landslide but Comrade Corbyn is a Brexiteer so no chance of that.

[Pannonian]

After 2 years of saying:

Try to make a good deal, best would be to get to a resolution without a hard Brexit.

But, Fuck it!

Wasting everyone's time, and now they want to sabotage our parliament?

Kick them out.

Really, I'm out of patience for this shit show. It hurt us all, but now they also want to sabotage the parliament out of spite?

KICK THEM OUT!