Well there is a lot of radiation about this sunny bank holiday, perhaps another cucumber sandwich is in order, however...
The poster painted a scenario whereby the EU has threatened the very existence of the UK. Do you think anyone other than our current Chamberlainesque PM would not retaliate? This window of appeasement that the EU is very lucky to have at the minute from our weak PM is closing. I hope they are prepared for whoever comes after Theresa May and are very careful about the next steps.
It has already been proposed that it would be moved to England in advance of any Scottish separation.
13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"
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13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"
Looking at Calamari’s original bullet points:
Marks for the anglophobic question? 0/10. People also voted for Leave in NI, Scotland & Wales. It's not as simple as delineating by geographical location.
However, the likelihood of the UK leaving in some form or another remains: high. The likelihood of leaving with No Deal is: lower, but still a possibility.
It all depends on how the UK leaves.
In the event of No Deal:
Again, I don’t I agree with the phrasing but the likelihood of this in the event of No Deal: a distinct possibility. The last poll I could find https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...sh_Unification relating specifically to unification in the event of No Deal, gives a 13% lead to Yes. Will this lead increase? Most probably yes. Be sure, when you respond, to quote a poll that relates specifically to the question where No Deal is the hypothetical scenario.
Again, in the event of No Deal, the likelihood is: a distinct possibility http://whatscotlandthinks.org/questi...ferendum-on-sc . Will this lead increase? Most probably yes.
OK - genuinely, I have no idea about this. However, if the UK (Great or Little) ends up at war with Spain over Gibraltar, I sincerely promise you - I will have gone beyond the pitchforks stage and will be chaining my underwear to the nearest military base. Just, absolutely categorically no. No.
Sure.
So, to summarise, looking at polls: the answer to Calamari’s questions will ultimately depend on exactly how the UK leaves the EU.
If you chaps pursue your hard Brexit agenda, you only increase the chances of the break up of the UK. Hence, the laughs that will be hard at e.g., the DUP’s expense if this should come to pass.
Now, to get back to your controversial response to self-determination in this scenario, I know you’re on the wind-up, but literally what could the government do? There will be no nuclear option as, thank fuck, piss-heads like you and me don’t have the finger on the button (otherwise Russia would have had it ages ago). It will just be the Daily Mail bleating on and we’ll all be a lot poorer: fiscally, morally, intellectually etc. etc. as a result.
You really do need to compromise, Mr D. If I can - so can you.
Last edited by LeGin Tufnel; 2019-04-21 at 06:11 PM.
I fail to see how both would compare. One is Russian military pressure to recover territories lost at the collapse of the USSR, the other would be an economic trade off.
That being said the original quote was ludicrous. The reason Ireland is an issue is because there are actual peace concerns there. We have heard nothing officially during the negotiations about Gibraltar, and we won't in the future.
The Le Touquet deal evolves around border checks. Returning refugee's is under the Dublin convention. Macron and other French officials have previously expressed a critical opinion of the le touquet deal. It's really just notifying the UK that France is stepping away from it, and two years later they'll finally take control of their border again.
Last edited by Crispin; 2019-04-21 at 06:42 PM.
You forget that it started from Russian economic pressure though. One that caused Yanukovich to call off Association Agreement, and led to Maidan popular riots (supported by EU states and US) that eventually ousted him.
One can certainly lead to another.
I agree on that.That being said the original quote was ludicrous. The reason Ireland is an issue is because there are actual peace concerns there. We have heard nothing officially during the negotiations about Gibraltar, and we won't in the future.
The Sandhurst treaty from 2018 just injected another 50 millions from the UK side and commitments to speed up the processing and acceptance of unaccompanied minors.
Brexit and the UK's stance to control immigration further might jeopardize it greatly.
The treaty's aim was to ensure we wouldn't have another Calais jungle, as well as becoming a bigger parking lot for trucks UK-bound
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Let's leave it at that and not argue on unlikely hypothetical then. It's not the place to argue on Crimea/Ukraine, and I don't think Gibraltar is anywhere close to that in scope. Spain is ill placed to play the territory card when they have 2 enclaves in Marocco, and they know it. They tried, and were told to be quiet early on.
13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"