[EU] Brexit negotiations at a standstill

[AeneasBK]

Wtf, what happened? And since when do mods remove all posts by one user by hand? Would explain the lack of moderation elsewhere if they waste their time with dumb shit like that.

They removed his user account, automatically removing all posts by him from all threads. Unless you can find one somewhere, and I'm wrong - I'm assuming here.

[Slant]

He called dribbles a pedophile. Not the smartest idea. At best you could say he is a fan of pedophile enablers (that you can probably say factually).

Sounds like being on par for the mods. Protect a known warmongerer and would-be killer, get rid of one of the few sensible people.

[Pann]

Absolutely shameful behaviour towards campaigners in the locals.

https://twitter.com/GeorgiaZemoreyR/...46135705653249

[Slant]

I'll have to disagree, there are some accusations you don't blindly lob at people.

He's guilty by association. Cheer for a pedophile, get called a pedo. I don't have problems with that.

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Absolutely shameful behaviour towards campaigners in the locals.

https://twitter.com/GeorgiaZemoreyR/...46135705653249

It was bound to happen. Now that they can't blame the EU for everything, I expect only more of this happening. And I have little sympathy for a class of people (politicians) that made a career out of deceiving the public.

[Kallisto]

Labour seemingly half arsing again on a second vote. Likely because fake remainer who is really a leaver Corbyn in charge trying to stare down his own party.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48099901

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Absolutely shameful behaviour towards campaigners in the locals.

https://twitter.com/GeorgiaZemoreyR/...46135705653249

I hope those that did the assault are all arrested and given full sentances. We can't have elected officials attacked even if we disagree with their position or frustrate us no end. Even if their position is absolutely deplorable.

[LeGin Tufnel]

I’m sorry that CTD has deleted his account. I liked what he had to say about stuff. I don’t think that was necessary.

Re. Labour’s fudge - yet more constructive ambivalence. Won’t vote for them. Exactly who will be voting for them in the EP elections and why, I’m not sure. Apparently, Tom Watson isn’t sure either - he walked out of a shadow cabinet meeting when no-one could provide him with a copy of the manifesto. Literally, they have nothing to offer on this election, yet they’re polling 28% same as Brexit Party.

[Kronik85]

I’m sorry that CTD has deleted his account. I liked what he had to say about stuff. I don’t think that was necessary.

Re. Labour’s fudge - yet more constructive ambivalence. Won’t vote for them. Exactly who will be voting for them in the EP elections and why, I’m not sure. Apparently, Tom Watson isn’t sure either - he walked out of a shadow cabinet meeting when no-one could provide him with a copy of the manifesto. Literally, they have nothing to offer on this election, yet they’re polling 28% same as Brexit Party.

Turn my back for 2 seconds and people start branding posters as paedos. :S

Labour have made my choice for me in the coming elections, Green it is. Lib Dems haven't a sniff round here so might aswell embrace the freedom of knowing my vote is completely wasted. For the EUs then I'll hedge on whoever polls the best in my region and is an actual Remain party.

[Pann]

It will be interesting to see how Labour's non-committal commitment to a 2nd ref affects the polls in the coming days. Social media is, as always, going mental but so far they seem to have weathered the storm much better than the Tories and this may well turn out to be a shrewd move as remain voters don't appear to be convinced that parties like the Lib Dems, Greens or CHUK are the answer whereas leavers seem to be embracing the Brexit party in large numbers.

[Dizzeeyooo]

The point of the Labour party is to represent the workers.

What form of Brexit will improve the lives of workers, over remaining in the EU?

[LeGin Tufnel]

You say this like you and the others hadn't been bitching about Labour for ages, and Tom Watson hadn't been constantly undermining the party.

The point of the Labour party is to represent the workers. That's it. It is not a single-issue anti-brexit group. There's no deception there, it just doesn't support your own very narrow perspective on UK politics.

No, I said they had nothing to offer in the EP election.

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He's not suggesting that the EP election is anything other than a single issue election is he?

Fuck me, really?

Please explain why anyone would possibly vote for Labour in the forthcoming EP elections other than out of partisanship and tribalism.

[Kallisto]

Turn my back for 2 seconds and people start branding posters as paedos. :S

Labour have made my choice for me in the coming elections, Green it is. Lib Dems haven't a sniff round here so might aswell embrace the freedom of knowing my vote is completely wasted. For the EUs then I'll hedge on whoever polls the best in my region and is an actual Remain party.

When it comes to Euro Elections Greens/LD/Plaid/SNP need to come together in a no compete area. Basically agree for Plaid in Wales, SNP in Scotland and LD/Greens in own parts of England so that the vote of remainers isn't spread thing and gives over representation to brexit party.

[LeGin Tufnel]

The irony is I'm almost there with voting for Labour in the event of a snap GE (after Brexit and with no hope of remaining), were it not for there being absolutely no point because of FPTP. I was reading a good piece about the National Transformation Fund that changed my view.

No doubt burner will be back to tell me he doesn't actually want my vote.

[Kallisto]

The irony is I'm almost there with voting for Labour in the event of a snap GE, were it not for there being absolutely no point because of FPTP. I was reading a good piece about the National Transformation Fund that changed my view.

No doubt burner will be back to tell me he doesn't actually want my vote.

Who are the two big parties in your constituency? Or are you in a safe seat?

[Kronik85]

When it comes to Euro Elections Greens/LD/Plaid/SNP need to come together in a no compete area. Basically agree for Plaid in Wales, SNP in Scotland and LD/Greens in own parts of England so that the vote of remainers isn't spread thing and gives over representation to brexit party.

Yea it would be great, shame ChangeUK decided to shit all over this idea but what else should we expect from them? Here's to hoping the rest can be sensible.

[LeGin Tufnel]

Who are the two big parties in your constituency? Or are you in a safe seat?

It's a Tory safe seat. Literally, there is no point me voting other than to boost the popular vote of x party, which I'm not going to do anymore. I will now be spoiling my vote in GEs until we get a form of PR. And not AV or AV+. Proper PR. STV or Additional Member System or Party List - I'd accept either.

[Kallisto]

It's a Tory safe seat. Literally, there is no point me voting other than to boost the popular vote of x party, which I'm not going to do anymore. I will now be spoiling my vote in GEs until we get a form of PR. And not AV or AV+. Proper PR. STV or Additional Member System or Party List - I'd accept either.

Yeah thinking about doing the same. Where I live both before and after the border changes 2010 has been super safe Tory. Except the two Blair landslides it's been Tory or Tory allied party since 1930s. Although if there's a hint of a chance though I'll be voting for whoever has that chance. Labour, LD, Change, Whoever (not UKIP, Brexit Party or BNP types) they'll get my vote if it means getting rid of ERG member MP.

I still go by the AV/AV+ vote was a trap by the Tories to shut up LD on reform during the coalition knowing that voters could tell it wasn't really a change and got them to stay home while saying "See people don't want reform.".

[LeGin Tufnel]

I still go by the AV/AV+ vote was a trap by the Tories to shut up LD on reform during the coalition knowing that voters could tell it wasn't really a change and got them to stay home while saying "See people don't want reform.".

Yep, absolutely. I was always surprised the Lib Dems agreed to it.

I mean - I voted for AV on the basis that "at least it was a step in the right direction". In retrospect, I wonder if that was a mistake.

[Dizzeeyooo]

Yea it would be great, shame ChangeUK decided to shit all over this idea

The Lib Dems and Greens are not exactly blameless either - the Lib Dems choosing to pre-submit all their candidates for all regions before even raising the issue of working with other remain parties especially.

[Huehuecoyotl]

It will be interesting to see how Labour's non-committal commitment to a 2nd ref affects the polls in the coming days. Social media is, as always, going mental but so far they seem to have weathered the storm much better than the Tories and this may well turn out to be a shrewd move as remain voters don't appear to be convinced that parties like the Lib Dems, Greens or CHUK are the answer whereas leavers seem to be embracing the Brexit party in large numbers.

I've been saying this for some time. I don't like all the political games, but the fact is that Corbyn and Labour have managed to tread that line of somehow keeping all of their supporters satisfied WAY better than the Tories have. And if you look at what's happening to the Tories, you can see what could have happened to Labour (and indeed still could) if they get it wrong.

It's a dangerous and narrow line to walk, but they've managed it so far.

[Kronik85]

The Lib Dems and Greens are not exactly blameless either - the Lib Dems choosing to pre-submit all their candidates for all regions before even raising the issue of working with other remain parties especially.

Fair I suppose. Been poking round and found this. New politics indeed.

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