[EU] Brexit negotiations at a standstill

[AeneasBK]

Why must people be angry? Isn't it due to people being angry and refusing to listen to each other that we are in this mess?

No one was angry really until the backpeddling began which iirc was about 9am the day after the referrendum.

So I wouldn't say it was "angrily refusing to listen" that got us here; but yeah I guess since then it hasn't improved because of it.

[Pann]

No one was angry really until the backpeddling began which iirc was about 9am the day after the referrendum.

So I wouldn't say it was "angrily refusing to listen" that got us here; but yeah I guess since then it hasn't improved because of it.

Without digging over the past too much I think that the leave campaign did a very effective job of harnessing the anger that many leave voters felt and it was instrumental in leave securing the victory.

I disagree, leave refused to listened to experts and remain refused to what leavers were saying during the run up to the ref. perhaps if either side had been just a little more willing to listen to each other things would have been different?

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May is going soon and will most likely announce her resignation when the withdrawal bill is defeated again.

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1129022177288904705


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Labour seem to be moving towards backing a confirmatory ref.

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1129071598047256577

[LeGin Tufnel]

May is going soon and will most likely announce her resignation when the withdrawal bill is defeated again.

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1129022177288904705

Top-voted BBC comment:

3. Posted by surfingsharka on
9 hours ago
May has put Chris Grayling in charge of naming her departure date.

I have it on good authority that he is busy arranging it for September 31st.

Hmmms

The interesting question is what will Tory Remainers do if a grassroots type replaces her. Will they actually put their money where their mouths are and quit the party if e.g., BoJo is elected.

Would their votes (with the opposition) be enough to bring down the government? Would they have the proverbial cojones their counterparts on the right of the party claim to have?

In a way, although I dislike May and her nauseating patronising primary school teacher attitude, I think it's probably better she stayed until Labour's hand is finally forced.

I wonder if BoJo's gamble is: lose vote of no confidence, GE, coalition with Brexit Party, hard Brexit. BoJo as PM, Farage as Minister without Portfolio.

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You think I'm pissed now, Pann? The above occurs, you ain't seen nuttin.

[Pann]

Top-voted BBC comment:

3. Posted by surfingsharka on
9 hours ago
May has put Chris Grayling in charge of naming her departure date.

I have it on good authority that he is busy arranging it for September 31st.

Hmmms

The interesting question is what will Tory Remainers do if a grassroots type replaces her. Will they actually put their money where their mouths are and quit the party if e.g., BoJo is elected.

Would their votes (with the opposition) be enough to bring down the government? Would they have the proverbial cojones their counterparts on the right of the party claim to have?

In a way, although I dislike May and her nauseating patronising primary school teacher attitude, I think it's probably better she stayed until Labour's hand is finally forced.

I wonder if BoJo's gamble is: lose vote of no confidence, GE, coalition with Brexit Party, hard Brexit. BoJo as PM, Farage as Minister without Portfolio.

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You think I'm pissed now, Pann? The above occurs, you ain't seen nuttin.

Peston blogged about this kind of situation earlier today: https://www.itv.com/news/2019-05-16/...he-tory-party/

Maybe you shouldn't read it...

[dribbles]

I wonder if BoJo's gamble is: lose vote of no confidence, GE, coalition with Brexit Party, hard Brexit. BoJo as PM, Farage as Minister without Portfolio.

This, so much this. Finally the penny drops...

Not long now to that scenario...tick tock!

[LeGin Tufnel]

This, so much this. Finally the penny drops...

Not long now to that scenario...tick tock!

Yes, but in fairness, your ideal scenarios change faster than coke up Lord Sewel’s nose, so I’m not going to worry too much.

[Dizzeeyooo]

The interesting question is what will Tory Remainers do if a grassroots type replaces her. Will they actually put their money where their mouths are and quit the party if e.g., BoJo is elected.

Would their votes (with the opposition) be enough to bring down the government? Would they have the proverbial cojones their counterparts on the right of the party claim to have?

Johnson as PM attempting to force through a hard Brexit will eventually loose the support of the DUP, so yes.

I wonder if BoJo's gamble is: lose vote of no confidence, GE, coalition with Brexit Party, hard Brexit. BoJo as PM, Farage as Minister without Portfolio.

For this to happen, Conservatives + Brexit party need an overall majority in the GE, and the Brexit party are still polling at UKIP levels even with the Conservatives collapsing.



Helpfully, Brexit party manifesto snippets are coming thick and fast to billboards near you

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

This, so much this. Finally the penny drops...

Not long now to that scenario...tick tock!

That would require the brexit party to actually get a sizeable amount of seats. Remember how UKIP got over 25% at the last European Election and won precisely zero MPs from that "popularity"?

[Dizzeeyooo]

That would require the brexit party to actually get a sizeable amount of seats. Remember how UKIP got over 25% at the last European Election and won precisely zero MPs from that "popularity"?

Funny thing is, their pre-election polling was 30%-40%, basically the same as the Brexit party now

[dribbles]

Yes, but in fairness, your ideal scenarios change faster than coke up Lord Sewel’s nose, so I’m not going to worry too much.

The business of politics is fast moving, prestissimo to you, obligatory example to follow. Who could have predicted the last 3 months would look like this graph?

Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa May are now more unpopular than Nigel Farage.

Net favourability scores:
Nigel Farage: -32
Theresa May: -49 (her all-time low)
Jeremy Corbyn: -50

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1128981188176220160

People vote for the party not the person you'll say? Nah nonsense i'll say, they are en masse going to vote for our Nigel.

And in days we'll see just that joyous occasion unfold...

[Huehuecoyotl]

The business of politics is fast moving, prestissimo to you, obligatory example to follow. Who could have predicted the last 3 months would look like this graph?

Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa May are now more unpopular than Nigel Farage.

Net favourability scores:
Nigel Farage: -32
Theresa May: -49 (her all-time low)
Jeremy Corbyn: -50

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1128981188176220160

People vote for the party not the person you'll say? Nah nonsense i'll say, they are en masse going to vote for our Nigel.

And in days we'll see just that joyous occasion unfold...

You do realise that -35 isn't a good score, don't you? That people hate Farage, they just happen to think even less of May and Corbyn at the moment?

What am I saying. You think that 33% is a democratic majority. You think that a party standing on a single issue can win an election, especially when that one issue is a group of idiots wanting the impossible from a group of liars and conmen. You won't get the Brexit you want, even if May goes. BoJo won't give you a hard Brexit, he would have to take responsibility for it. May leaving probably just increases the chance of cancelling Article 50, rather than going to a second vote. Either way, you lose.

[dribbles]

You do realise that -35 isn't a good score, don't you? That people hate Farage, they just happen to think even less of May and Corbyn at the moment?

What am I saying. You think that 33% is a democratic majority. You think that a party standing on a single issue can win an election, especially when that one issue is a group of idiots wanting the impossible from a group of liars and conmen. You won't get the Brexit you want, even if May goes. BoJo won't give you a hard Brexit, he would have to take responsibility for it. May leaving probably just increases the chance of cancelling Article 50, rather than going to a second vote. Either way, you lose.

The Brexit party don't have to win the General election though, just enough seats to be kingmaker, a dozen would do it - ask the DUP.

Boris on the Westminster Iron Throne, I see you accept that is now likely. Farage as kingmaker would come with a price. Still don't see that? Give another probable scenario, can you?

Sorry, but you lose.

[Fuiking]

last time he had the chance he pulled a brave sir Robin.

[Mayhem]

The Brexit party don't have to win the General election though

What General Election are you talking about?

[Dizzeeyooo]

The Brexit party don't have to win the General election though, just enough seats to be kingmaker, a dozen would do it - ask the DUP.

Any seats gained by the Brexit party will come from the Conservatives, so how does that help them become kingmakers?

[dribbles]

What General Election are you talking about?

Do keep up. The one that is coming shortly after Boris Johnson's coronation.

Any seats gained by the Brexit party will come from the Conservatives, so how does that help them become kingmakers?

The new Brexit Party led by Nigel Farage is on course to win nearly 50 seats at the next general election after overtaking the Conservatives in a national poll for the first time

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...y-beats-tories

They have been going for barely a month. You honestly think we have reached peak Brexit party? Give King Nigel and his merry men a few more weeks campaigning in Labour marginals...you'll see.

[Mayhem]

Do keep up. The one that is coming shortly after Boris Johnson's coronation.

Are you at anytime not living in your dreamworld?

Remember when you tick tocked back in february?

[Crispin]

Do keep up. The one that is coming shortly after Boris Johnson's coronation.



The new Brexit Party led by Nigel Farage is on course to win nearly 50 seats at the next general election after overtaking the Conservatives in a national poll for the first time

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...y-beats-tories

They have been going for barely a month. You honestly think we have reached peak Brexit party? Give King Nigel and his merry men a few more weeks campaigning in Labour marginals...you'll see.

They peaked, it's a fad, the people who arent voting for them now, fundementally disagrees with them.

The irony in you participating in a EU election months after your "tick tock" stupidity, hilarious!

[Dizzeeyooo]

The new Brexit Party led by Arron Banks and Claire Fox

Corrected, since Banks is paying Farage half a million pounds a year in expenses, and ex Revolutionary Communist Party members are handling most of the party's recruitment and day to day management.

[Crispin]

Add how Claire Fox thinks that it's ok that there's child porno on the internet...