Ladies and gentlemen, once again dribbles makes demands about "democracy" as he links a poll that shows the people that want a no-deal Brexit are in the minority. Utter lack of self awareness, simple lack of intelligence? Or is he just so used to the people that he talks to not being able to see through his threadbare positions?
3/10 dribbles. Must try harder.
When challenging a Kzin, a simple scream of rage is sufficient. You scream and you leap.
Originally Posted by George CarlinOriginally Posted by Douglas Adams
I remember my Dad telling my that when he in the scouts they went on a tour all around Europe. They ended up being in Berlin i think it was on the west side and they having drinks in one off the bars. There was a huge fight and one off the old German chaps said he coming back with a gun to shoot them all because he had relatives in Dresden and wanted to kill as many English as he could. My Dad and the others made a hastily retreat. This was back in 1967. I remember my dad telling me this story when i was like ten years old or something. I never really understood it back then and it only really made sense to me when i ended up reading Slaughter house Five by Kurt Vonnegut probably ten years or so ago, tremendous novel i will add.
My father was born in 1946, guess you could say one off those baby boomers, i just found the story very sad as he and his mates had nothing to do with the war and yet were being targeted for just be English.
I suppose healing takes time and events like Dresden should not, can not be forgotten.
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You seem to enjoy picking a fight with Britain.
Historically your nation tries to kill everyone in Europe every thirty years or so, which means you are "due" given when reunification happened. I've never trusted you people, you should have never been allowed to form a single nation again. The afd just state openly what the rest of you will eventually go along with.
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Ah the joys of middle england education. Still blaming the Germans for first world war when it was a complex situation where blame was shared.
I am not purporting to speak only for all British people but share the same view as 100's of millions of EU citizens continent wide. Please don't belittle that many people. Ask the ordinary impoverished Greek people, ask the debt ridden for life average Italian people, ask the EE nations/the Visegrad group, and so on what they really think of and those who hold the true power in the EU.
This fallacy of EU unity as it falls apart before our eyes is quite ridiculous.
And as for WW2 I'll give you an anecdote as to why a few mad men anointed somewhere in Europe will never succeed in ruling a continent.
I lived in France for a few years on and off and I asked a now life long French friend why the English are only tolerated there rather than welcomed with open arms. His response was that it is hard to be 100% comfortable, even now, with countrymen whose ancestors participated in the 100 year war. That finished between England and France in 1453 ffs. The idea that, in comparison, recent events and those responsible for WW2 and their descendents will ever be totally forgiven in my lifetime, my children's lifetimes and my childrens childrens lifetime is total nonsense. Perhaps in 500 years as in my French/English example and memories fade through many generations we will tolerate each other once again.
Just as an aside from all that perhaps you can help me out here. I hear rumours Juncker is on his way out as our EU President, is that true? Who is the new one, has that even been decided yet and by who? Will we find out before he or her addresses the continent from a podium as the anointed EU leader? Does anyone get to vote for the new President?
I think it was the late great Tony Benn who once said that if ordinary people don't have the power to remove and elect their leader they don't live in a democracy.
I am glad I do. Can you say the same eurochums?
13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"
Each new President is nominated by the European Council and formally elected by the European Parliament, for a five-year term.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presid...ean_Commission
in this case PM Cameron was part of nomination (last election of Juncker was before PM May took office) and MEPs agreed. if Cameron was against it and Farage too: sucks to be british, you were overruled by democracy.
and by the way: nobody elected PM Cameron or May directly; happens in other countries too with their heads of government.
The President of the EU is recommended by the European Council (i.e. the heads of member states - for example you voted for Theresa May's voice on the Council) and voted on by the European Parliament (i.e. the people the you will be voting for next week). The nomination and confirmatory vote happens after the European Elections.
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When challenging a Kzin, a simple scream of rage is sufficient. You scream and you leap.
Originally Posted by George CarlinOriginally Posted by Douglas Adams
Doesn't it make you feel bad that you have no voice in who is nominated? Do you even know without looking who the candidates are on the list of nominations to be our next great leader? So when does Junker leave and the new as yet unknown get anoninted?
What can you do if you don't like who is recommended? You just have to accept that?
When is all this happening is it soon, surely not this Thursday? Are we just going to wake up on Friday and some new bod that nobody currently knows will appear on TV and say "hello eurochums, just to let you know I am your new great leader now bend the knee to my wishes for the next 5 years until my best mate takes over from me"
You know that doesn't sound very democratic to me.
13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"
Council and EP vote by majority, so it is perfect possible none of UK's candidates will become next President. in 2014 Cameron objected to Juncker, but as he and Orban (from Hungary) were the only ones, Juncker was nominated.
nobody likes PM May, but she is still there (for some weeks) ?
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Oh - Now that we have you Dribbles, would you care to explain the democratic process by which members of the House of Lords are elected? Or the mechanisms in place to remove them should their views stray from that of the populace? I mean there surely cannot be an undemocratic institution in place in the UK.
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13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"
also means UK will have to lift their collective butts and vote next week or their influence is zilch. and btw: UK even in case of later Brexit will still be faced with the next President, as he/she is EU's representant to them.
and Tories will vote PM and nominate the next President and do so without GE; they do not face any democracy until then. so what ?