[EU] Brexit negotiations at a standstill

[Slant]

Just leaving this here, because it's too brilliant not to share:

https://twitter.com/davemacladd/stat...442017287?s=09

This is a Brexiteer and a Brexiteer MP getting in a row over who's more stupid. I shit you not.

[Dizzeeyooo]

https://storage.googleapis.com/d4e-m...l_9tWXv95tOHnM

New tool to help you vote tactically

https://www.politics.co.uk/comment-a...n-voting-guide is also a decent resource.

[Flarelaine]

Halved you say? Dozens of BXP seats in a general election, holding the balance of power, are entirely possible. It is not just me saying it and the pollsters confirm it.

24% in opinion polls does not translate to 24% of the seats. In fact, in a FPTP system, it may translate to zero.

[Mayhem]

24% in opinion polls does not translate to 24% of the seats. In fact, in a FPTP system, it may translate to zero.

And he's glad about that because, in his opinion, the brexit party people are extremists.

[Kronik85]

And he's glad about that because, in his opinion, the brexit party people are extremists.

Well considering he pretends he's now a Brexit Party canvasser then you can only assume they thinks they are "moderates" like himself.

[Huehuecoyotl]

24% in opinion polls does not translate to 24% of the seats. In fact, in a FPTP system, it may translate to zero.

And it isn't even 24%. That was the high outlier from recent polls. There have been others since putting them at ~18% which is where they are on a combined poll of polls. Just dribbles being misleading, as usual. Hell there were some polls put them as low as 10% fairly recently.

And as soon as they start to pick policies, that number will go down. Especially as their far right tendencies start to leak out.

[Flarelaine]

And it isn't even 24%. That was the high outlier from recent polls. There have been others since putting them at ~18% which is where they are on a combined poll of polls. Just dribbles being misleading, as usual. Hell there were some polls put them as low as 10% fairly recently.

And as soon as they start to pick policies, that number will go down. Especially as their far right tendencies start to leak out.

"Leak"? They aren't exactly subtle.

And I went with his number because even that is no guarantee. For 24% to carry an FPTP seat, votes would have to be fragmented at least 5 ways in an even spread. Don't see that happening.

[Dizzeeyooo]

Farage: Remaining in the EU is a death sentence for Britain’s steel industry

British Steel has been placed in compulsory liquidation, putting 5,000 jobs at risk and endangering 20,000 in the supply chain

The 2016 Express article aged well.

If we vote to Remain on June 23rd it is the end of the steel industry in this country. Simple as that. We must Leave EU.

As did the tweet

[Shalcker]

The 2016 Express article aged well.

As did the tweet

Well, don't see how closure of one (or perhaps two) plants that already had problems in 2016 refutes his argument.

[Dizzeeyooo]

The thing is, the only thing that would save that industry would be for the UK to be in the EU but with no say, given they vetoed the EU's plan of action against Chinese steel dumping. It really is much too late now.

In the long long long long term then possibly - the reason that the company is collapsing right now is entirely down to Brexit uncertainty and the weakened pound (because of Brexit).

Well, don't see how closure of one (or perhaps two) plants that already had problems in 2016 refutes his argument.

His argument or your argument?

[Shalcker]

His argument or your argument?

I'm not seeing what your argument is there.

Quoting from article you linked in 2016:
Mr Farage was asked if a Brexit vote on June 23 would help save the huge Tata-owned steel plant in Port Talbot, South Wales, and secure the future of the industry across the UK.
He said: “We can give you a chance. We can give you a fighting chance”.
Mr Farage said leaving the EU would allow Britain to make energy costs more competitive and offer greater protection against China’s dumping of cheap steel on international markets.
He also hit out at EU procurement laws, adding: “Whether we are building a warship or whatever it is, under EU rules we have to tender this out to German companies and French companies as well.
"So yeah: Could we give the British steel industry a chance? Yes.
"If we vote to Remain on June 23 it is the end of the steel industry in this country. Simple as that."

Well, first, you still haven't left, so no mentioned (potential) benefits from that, and second, it was still just a chance, not certainty.

[Dizzeeyooo]

I'm not seeing what your argument is there.

My point was I'm not convinced that you and Dribbles are separate people.

[Shalcker]

My point was I'm not convinced that you and Dribbles are separate people.

And neither i am convinced that you and dribbles aren't the same man too.

That has nothing to do with your attempt at mocking Farage though.

[Dizzeeyooo]

And neither i am convinced that you and dribbles aren't the same man too.

I don't use language in the same way Dribbles does, you do.

That has nothing to do with your attempt at mocking Farage though.

Attempt suggests I was unsuccessful. Mocking racist twats like Farage is one of the easiest and most effective things to do against them, as his reaction to being milkshaked shows.

[mojojojo202]

The thing is, the only thing that would save that industry would be for the UK to be in the EU but with no say, given they vetoed the EU's plan of action against Chinese steel dumping. It really is much too late now.

The only thing that saves the British industry is huge government subsidies. The nature of the national and global economy mean steel production in the UK is just not feasible in any meaningful sense unless there is some huge change in how that market operates (no, Brexit wouldn't even get close).


What confuses is me is the amount of politicians and commentators willing to extol the virtues of the free market, yet, when it fails as spectacularly has it has done here, they are the first to propose government intervention. They are often the same people who say we can't afford social welfare... then demand we all pay for corporate welfare.

[Shalcker]

I don't use language in the same way Dribbles does, you do.

Nope.

In fact the difference is easy to spot - being Russian, i'm pretty much ignoring articles outright.

Attempt suggests I was unsuccessful. Mocking racist twats like Farage is one of the easiest and most effective things to do against them, as his reaction to being milkshaked shows.

And yet you failed... quite sad. Do better next time.

[Dizzeeyooo]

Nope.

In fact the difference is easy to spot - being Russian, i'm pretty much ignoring articles outright.

While Dribbles types like a Russian troll who learnt English from a 1800s textbook, what's your point?

And yet you failed... quite sad. Do better next time.

In what way did I, or everyone else linking the racist's posts fail?

Farage promised that a vote to leave the EU was the only way to save British Steel, the UK voted to leave the EU, and now the direct effects of the UK voting to leave the EU have led to the end of British Steel - which bit of that is inaccurate?

/sharpens milkshake

NIGEL Farage was reportedly trapped on his Brexit Party bus today over fears people gathered around it were carrying milkshakes.

Literally, we're going to end up with a black/white scenario that will leave half the country very angry and likely committing crimes of varying degrees of seriousness.

Brexit party supporters are always going to be angry unfortunately, regardless of us leaving the EU or not.

[LeGin Tufnel]

He he he

I've just noticed:



The dude who shaked Farage in Newcastle - he's a gamer. Look at his tshirt.

Anyone who frequents this board? lol

[dribbles]

Attempt suggests I was unsuccessful. Mocking racist twats like Farage is one of the easiest and most effective things to do against them, as his reaction to being milkshaked shows.

Are you a secret Brexiteer? Every time you and others mock, call a twat, a paedophile, milkshake brexiteers etc etc, Farage and his popularity rises. Please carry on, I salute your efforts. Sterling and effective job you are doing there for us chief, look how you and others have helped the meteoric rise of the Brexit party in the polls. We couldn't have done it without people like yourself.

Not interested in distributing any leaflets in your spare time by any chance are you?

[Shalcker]

In what way did I, or everyone else linking the racist's posts fail?

You thought that simply linking two articles and a tweet counts as mocking.

Meanwhile, article you yourself linked explains on which conditions that tweet worked - and Farage isn't even promising that it definitely will even if all conditions will be met.

You're still in EU, and your steel industry is dying - that actually supports rather then undermines Farage's point. "Being in EU" certainly holds much greater weight in demise of steel industry then "Farage's tweets" - and it was already precarious before voting.

Farage promised that a vote to leave the EU was the only way to save British Steel, the UK voted to leave the EU, and now the direct effects of the UK voting to leave the EU have led to the end of British Steel - which bit of that is inaccurate?

Nope, he said actually leaving EU might save steel industry.

Not just voting for it.