May is set to step down on 7th June.
May is set to step down on 7th June.
All that effort just to beat Brown's time in office, hope she at least thinks it was worth it.The most painful part of this speech is her effort to list her concrete achievements. They are nil. Three years in which nothing has been made better, and much has been made worse.
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voted BXP to continue the inward destruction of the tory party, and delighted to see that by the end of the year corbyn being PM is very likely.
vote brexit, crush the tory party. strategy is working out perfectly.
in the scenario tory party elects a PM who tries no deal:
1) there's no majority in HOC for no deal
2) despite being the default, a no deal enabling PM would see revolts by HOC
3) VONC called, government loses. Triggers a GE.
in the scenario tory party elects a PM who tries soft brexit:
1) parliamentary arithmetic against them: DUP/ERG always voting against government
2) paralysis as we encounter 31st october
3) this PM doesn't want no deal, will move towards GE/2nd referendum
4) no majority in HOC for 2nd referendum at the moment
5) final result is calling a GE
genuinely, i can't see how this resolves without a GE or, at the very least, a second referendum. either result is fine for me. i'll vote remain in a second referendum, and in a GE we'll have corbyn as PM.
eu elections are irrelevant.
13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"
Because some of them recognize higher priorities (like what is best for the country) above their own political survival.
The DUP will also not back a Government pushing a no deal brexit that forces a hard border (and at some point it will become obvious even to them that one leads inevitably to the other).
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LOL thus ends the glorious reign of Theresa May, who turned Brexit from a tragedy into a true shitshow.
We are already here tbh. The next Govt in all likelihood is going to be a coalition, we just have to hope that they set their price to include genuine electoral reform and not something like AV+. FPTP no longer works in British politics and most crucially it isn't really working for the 2 major ones either.
I don't know man. I've adjusted my thinking. My current theory is that right now, whatever is the most stupid decision, the British as a collective will take that one. If they had the choice of running headfirst into a wall or through the open door, they would get naked, throw themselves into a pile of shit and jump out the window to run around on the street screaming HAHA! I GOT YOU WANKERS! at the top of their lung.
And that's the sober version.
I have no faith in that country left whatsoever.
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What did you expect, she was a remainer? If only she had been a true brexiteer...In other good news President Trump and future PM Farage can now dine with the Queen in a few days time unopposed.
Trump ‘wants his pal Nigel Farage to join State banquet’ with the Queen
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/910657...rump-uk-visit/
Happy days!
13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"
I'm gonna miss the ongoing saga of Theresa May's latest Brexit Schemes. She never failed in finding a way to make her fucking "deals" dumber and dumber. It was frankenstein's monster she started grafting animal parts on because she didn't know wtf else to do.
Maybe they'll get the true dumbest Prime Minister ever, David Cameron, to come clean up the mess he made. Wouldn't that be something. Maybe he'll give the Scottish another referendum too.
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You folks decide to cut the almighty NHS to fund the 50% increase in defense spending you'll need post-Brexit to offset the loss of global influence/power?
Pfft. The UK is a third rate ally to the United States. It's savaged it's military forces in the last decade. It's savaged the foreign office. It's entirely abandoned the front on crucial multilateral problems.
But hell, you people want to turn Great Britain into Little England so bad... don't let us stop you. Cameron and May already illustrated how ready they were to prostitute the remnant of the Empire that the Sun Never Set On (until it did) out to China.
I actually feel bad for the Queen. That she lived this long to see The UK so reduced.
The EU was the last path to relevance for the UK. Damn shame.
Hahaha the exact opposite in fact. One thing Theresa did do was promise an extra 384 million a week to the NHS, beating the battle bus slogan, by 2023. Again you can thank brexiteers for pushing her in that direction to begin with...Next we will move on defense spending as your linked article confirms...
You know Trump coming to dinner with our Queen gives us all an idea of how the olde allies and its people must have felt as Americans rode to our rescue once before in the 1940's to help us deal with the European problem at that time.
Fitting it coincides with the 75th D-Day commemorations, don't you think?
I would say the UK/US alliance is as strong as ever and unbreakable at this moment, thanks to your leader and our Nigel.
The Queen must be very proud of how loyal her colonials are in the 21st C at her country's time of need.
13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"
Which is why I brought it up. The UK cannot afford to keep spending on the NHS and increasing defense spending (which it hasn't done meaningfully in years, much less +50%) without significantly raising taxes to pay for it. Which the UK won't do.
In fact, that's the entire point of my article (which you didn't read). The UK wants to increase its defense spending... a little bit. But the offset from the lost of international standing by exiting the EU can only be achieved by standing up the British Armed Forces in a way they haven't been since the Early 1990s.
How likely is that? I put somewhere around zero. In fact, I and most observers of the UK's long term disengagement from all things international bet the opposite - that the UK will cut its armed forces and foreign office even more, in order to make up for shortfalls elsewhere.
This is why Brexit has been so insane from the get go. The UK plainly is not prepared to do what is necessary to cover for what it loses by being out of the EU. But it does it anyway. Why are you people choosing suicide? Because that's what it looks like. It looks like you're just calling it quits on everything.
The UK's been an ally in name only for years now. That's the sad truth. It's not 2003 and the international position of the UK in 2019 is a very far cry from the Bush-Blair era. Your response to the Financial Crisis was austerity. You cut defense. You cut the foreign office. You cut foreign aid. You cut diplomats. You cut troops. You cut and cut and cut. This forced the US to find other partners: the French and Germans.
The British retreat started well in advance of Brexit. I'd actually point the finger at the post-Iraq War navel gazing where you people spent a solid decade investigating the investigations, and having more inquiries than there were battles. Your national response to something you all collectively felt really bad over was to sell the house and retire to the country, so to speak. Brexit is the miserable end of that process in a sense. You sold your country cottage and decided to become hermits living in caves.
1945 was a different world, of less and less relevance every year.
The British Empire in 1945 was the third superpower in the world, and the second Superpower of the west. Bankrupt, but mighty. Decolonization cut it down to size, but the UK went well beyond that since 1992.
This is not a lament for empire. Rather, it is a matching of word to deed. If the UK wants to be international influential, it has to do certain things - none of which it is actually doing. If it wants to be a bunch of hermits living in caves... well carry on.
"Strong as ever". LOL. The US Marines are flying their own F-35Bs off of YOUR Aircraft carrier because you people retired your Harriers years too early, and didn't want to pay enough money to buy your own F-35Bs yet.
That's the kind of crap that's seen the US seek alternative partners since you ran out of bombs and missiles over Libya back in 2011.
Not likely, but really, who cares. It's been a decade and a half since the words "Special Relationship" was uttered with any kind of frequency and seriousness on this side of the Atlantic.
If we need to sort some minor border dispute, the State Department can call up Foreign Office. Otherwise, the UK isn't in the big leagues anymore.
What on earth does nukes have to do with anything? GL saying that during a negotiation with the US "We got nukes!", nukes havent exactly improved Russias place on the international scene.
Turkey has the chance to unleash millions of immigrants upon Europe and little England, something that a crackpot like Erdogan could easily use, as opposed to nukes.