[EU] Brexit negotiations at a standstill

[Kronik85]

"Better" for Corbyn's Labour, absolutely not better for the country.

I mean...is it? I'd much rather have a BoJo Govt that can't pass Reagonomic Boogaloo Episode I've Lost Count How Many Times People Fall For This Shit (admittedly a working title), than a BoJo Govt that can.

At least at this stage Phillip Hammond weeping into his hands and screaming is useful for us rather than just sad.

[dribbles]

Look at the sorry state of Labour. Outclassed and outgunned on day 1 of perhaps the finest UK PM to come for decades.

No wonder Corbyn doesn't want a General Election. Here are some of todays best bits...

[Acidbaron]

Not sure why BJ getting appointed warranted a new thread but alright

Just when you think things cannot get worse in the UK surrounding the brexit, i watching BJ's speech and looked up who now makes up his cabinet.

All the key marks of a populist in that speech, he's going to cut taxes for the corporations and wealthy and at the same time he's going to rebuild the industry. Welcome great britania, welcome to the american age of bullshit trickle down economics. The working class has no idea how fucked it is.

The NHS won't be part of any trade deal, that i believe. The NHS as an organisation won't, but all the rest surrounding it will being it the medicine, the hospitals, the doctor practices. They give you a little bit of credit thinking you won't accept a direct dismantling, so same tactic as in the US they are going to make it so NHS can no longer by maintained financially.

He promises an golden era for the UK, he might. He just left out that this means a further division and a return to the UK's former golden era, the era of servants and lords. UK the only western nation that never really go rid of their caste system, rejoice you now can get to fully experience it again! Don't worry though, the new education plans and investment in schools will make it so your son or daughter can become the best servant they can be! Coming to you on an island in 2050!

New harder immigration laws, because you need to be able to nitpick who comes to your country. Never mind you are already experiencing a brain drain and people with education are looking to migrate elsewhere but good luck with implementing that australian point system!

Harder on crime, more police officers and fast! That means more american situations with less trained gun ho cops around the nation, who are going to be overworked and underpaid, because did you hear anywhere in that speech how the government is going to pay for all that? I didn't but i am sure the wealthy well hire private law enforcements to contribute a bit back to society after their much earned tax cut. Speaking of private harder on crime means more people in jail and you know what that means more PRIVATE prisons!

Going to keep it short on the new cabinet, never have i seen such a diverse cabinet, full of fascists, criminals of different skin tones and gender! Well done BJ! You managed to fine shit stains among several communities in the nation!

So actually impressive, if the brexit process isn't doing enough damage to the working class, this cabinet surely will find a way.

[tehealadin]

All the key marks of a populist in that speech, he's going to cut taxes for the corporations and wealthy and at the same time he's going to rebuild the industry. Welcome great britania, welcome to the american age of bullshit trickle down economics. The working class has no idea how fucked it is.

I said it in another thread, but I will say it again here, so many of the working class backed Brexit (giving credence to this clown), wrongly thinking they were sticking it to Johnny Foreigner. Now that this mob have the reigns, they are about to feel the full force of upper class contempt. And I bet many will still, whilst their asses are getting fucked bloody, will still blame Poles for it, while the likes of Farage cheer on from the sidelines "Its the Muslims too!".

The NHS won't be part of any trade deal, that i believe. The NHS as an organisation won't, but all the rest surrounding it will being it the medicine, the hospitals, the doctor practices. They give you a little bit of credit thinking you won't accept a direct dismantling, so same tactic as in the US they are going to make it so NHS can no longer by maintained financially.

Out of all the public services they want to demolish, this is the one that frightens me the most, it is also the one though that I think might just stir enough popular anger that there might be hope of a reckoning for those responsible.

He promises an golden era for the UK, he might. He just left out that this means a further division and a return to the UK's former golden era, the era of servants and lords. UK the only western nation that never really go rid of their caste system, rejoice you now can get to fully experience it again! Don't worry though, the new education plans and investment in schools will make it so your son or daughter can become the best servant they can be! Coming to you on an island in 2050!

Couldn't agree more. The Britannia Unchained mob want to take us back a few centuries. The sad thing is that the people who will be hurt the most for this are playing an active role in facilitating it.

Going to keep it short on the new cabinet, never have i seen such a diverse cabinet, full of fascists, criminals of different skin tones and gender! Well done BJ! You managed to fine shit stains among several communities in the nation!
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I don't know how to feel about this one, nor do I want to derail. In the past, those on the left who are into grievance politics often made out (though didn't necessarily intend) that what was wrong with the people wanting to do massive harm to the country wasn't that they wanted to do massive harm to the country, but that they were white men. I always remember a meme with Lisa Simpson, saying how it is terrible, at least half of them should be women of colour, and now they get it, and I don't think they like it. I also found it amusing, reading the Guardian earlier, how it is almost as if they aren't real women or real ethnic minorities, that the advancement of women and ethnic minorities should be for those with the correct belief structure. I think it is unfair and misses that it is a symbol of real progress. The hammering of the working classes, disabled etc isn't solely the preserve of white men, white women and others of a different skin colour are now able to rise up and do it too. Is there a stronger symbol, or better measure of gender/race equality than that? Worth pondering.

[Slant]

Man, that speech... priceless.

[draykorinee]

So BOjo really is a mini Trump, now thinks cutting taxes on the better off and increasing government spending is the way to go. Glad to see fiscally responsible conservatives are just as bullshit as fiscally responsible republicans.

[Gibblewink]

Apparently none of Boris's fantastical plans have even been costed, which I gather actually puts him at a worse level the said republicans.

He is basically just saying stuff that he thinks sound good and convincing and then going forth on blind faith in British magnificence.

[tehealadin]

I wonder how he will plug the gap created by the tax cuts. If memory serves I think he may have suggested in the past that it would plugged with the money they were supposed to send to the EU, though it was suggested to him that in bumping the EU he would most likely turn the UK into a pariah state, but who knows. All we can be sure of is that if (when) things go tits up, it will be the EU's fault, not his.

[Slant]

Apparently none of Boris's fantastical plans have even been costed, which I gather actually puts him at a worse level the said republicans.

He is basically just saying stuff that he thinks sound good and convincing and then going forth on blind faith in British magnificence.

To the surprise to absolutely no one...

[Kronik85]

I wonder how he will plug the gap created by the tax cuts. If memory serves I think he may have suggested in the past that it would plugged with the money they were supposed to send to the EU, though it was suggested to him that in bumping the EU he would most likely turn the UK into a pariah state, but who knows. All we can be sure of is that if (when) things go tits up, it will be the EU's fault, not his.

Funds will be taken from the Magic Money Tree of course. In pre 2017 GE Britain it did not exist but thanks to the boffins in the Chancillory and the madcap botanist Phillip Hammond we invented one just in time to buy off the DUP. Thanks to this Conservative Leaders can make ludicrous spending pledges without anyone asking where the money will be coming from.

Obviously though Labour spending pledges will need to be fully costed and will still be considered completely unaffordable, the Magic Money Tree abhors Marxists, Socialists and generally being of use to anyone but the richest in society.

[Crispin]

Gotta love that "greatest place on earth" part. Greatest for who and how? Ofcourse ignorants like dribbles eat it up, MAGA the english way, they went full retard.

[Mayhem]

Apparently none of Boris's fantastical plans have even been costed, which I gather actually puts him at a worse level the said republicans.

He is basically just saying stuff that he thinks sound good and convincing and then going forth on blind faith in British magnificence.

Man, sometimes I wish there was a live fact check with a buzzer sound every time a politician says something that is an utter lie or a wet fart sound when it's mostly wrong or misleading.

[tehealadin]

Funds will be taken from the Magic Money Tree of course. In pre 2017 GE Britain it did not exist but thanks to the boffins in the Chancillory and the madcap botanist Phillip Hammond we invented one just in time to buy off the DUP. Thanks to this Conservative Leaders can make ludicrous spending pledges without anyone asking where the money will be coming from.

Obviously though Labour spending pledges will need to be fully costed and will still be considered completely unaffordable, the Magic Money Tree abhors Marxists, Socialists and generally being of use to anyone but the richest in society.

Yes, their spending pledges are a consequence of fiscal responsibility and demonstration of such (and thus do not need costings or much in the way of scrutiny), whereas Labour spending pledges are always been reckless gambles with the economy and must be resisted at all costs. Tory pledges go to the deserving, Labour pledges go to the feckless.

[Kronik85]

Yes, their spending pledges are a consequence of fiscal responsibility and demonstration of such (and thus do not need costings or much in the way of scrutiny), whereas Labour spending pledges are always been reckless gambles with the economy and must be resisted at all costs. Tory pledges go to the deserving, Labour pledges go to the feckless.

The oncoming GE is going to be an interesting insight into how the British people think money could and should be spent. We will have the Tories promising to balloon the budget with tax cuts for people on their wages, simultaneously fund and defund the NHS via cuts to NI and...farmers I guess, they will be pretty fucked when yanks start undercutting the shit out of them and they can't sell shit abroad thanks to boarders and tariffs and vitally they tend to vote Tory, so lots of money for them and their self inflicted mess.

Vs.

Actually owning shit. Fucking lunacy, the benefits of our privatised rail networks and the incredible levels of competition we saw amongst our Energy Companies alongside the record investment in our infrastructure not to mention the value for money that only privatisation can bring. Why the fuck would anyone want to spend money so that Generation Rent might actually be able to own something? They fucking love renting everything and no doubt their children will do too.

[Slant]

Gotta love that "greatest place on earth" part. Greatest for who and how? Ofcourse ignorants like dribbles eat it up, MAGA the english way, they went full retard.

Wonder how trump thinks about this direct attack one the us.

[Kronik85]

Laura Kuenssberg takes up her roll as chief propagandist for BoJo and the Conservative party.

[Kronik85]

Ohh Owww

Former Sinn Féin Irish presidential candidate Liadh Ní Riada MEP accused Ms Patel of using the "threat of food shortages in Ireland" to force a change in Ireland's policy on the backstop - which she said was "despicable".

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46488479

Despicable is her defining character trait after all.

[Acidbaron]

If she keeps those sorts of comments up a Civil war is bound to happen.

Bound to? It is going to happen. The border in Ireland is being treated as an afterthought in the whole Brexit debacle on the british end, if it wasn't for the EU the people in Westminster wouldn't have even considered it a problem till after it became one.

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Man, sometimes I wish there was a live fact check with a buzzer sound every time a politician says something that is an utter lie or a wet fart sound when it's mostly wrong or misleading.

For some reason our Belgian, dutch speaking at least the french half is too infested with left wing clientelism to be critical enough. We have our state funded news program fact checking main political programs including their plan of funding, outrageous comments are dissected and laid out on what level they are true and what level they are not. This sort of thing should be in my opinion mandatory.

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I said it in another thread, but I will say it again here, so many of the working class backed Brexit (giving credence to this clown), wrongly thinking they were sticking it to Johnny Foreigner. Now that this mob have the reigns, they are about to feel the full force of upper class contempt. And I bet many will still, whilst their asses are getting fucked bloody, will still blame Poles for it, while the likes of Farage cheer on from the sidelines "Its the Muslims too!".



Out of all the public services they want to demolish, this is the one that frightens me the most, it is also the one though that I think might just stir enough popular anger that there might be hope of a reckoning for those responsible.


Couldn't agree more. The Britannia Unchained mob want to take us back a few centuries. The sad thing is that the people who will be hurt the most for this are playing an active role in facilitating it.







I don't know how to feel about this one, nor do I want to derail. In the past, those on the left who are into grievance politics often made out (though didn't necessarily intend) that what was wrong with the people wanting to do massive harm to the country wasn't that they wanted to do massive harm to the country, but that they were white men. I always remember a meme with Lisa Simpson, saying how it is terrible, at least half of them should be women of colour, and now they get it, and I don't think they like it. I also found it amusing, reading the Guardian earlier, how it is almost as if they aren't real women or real ethnic minorities, that the advancement of women and ethnic minorities should be for those with the correct belief structure. I think it is unfair and misses that it is a symbol of real progress. The hammering of the working classes, disabled etc isn't solely the preserve of white men, white women and others of a different skin colour are now able to rise up and do it too. Is there a stronger symbol, or better measure of gender/race equality than that? Worth pondering.

People often confuse those who are in favour of rights for the immigrants with the actual immigrants themselves. Immigrants aren't some sort of single minded entity and a lot of them are conservative minded, people often forget that muslim extremists and right wing extermists share the same big ideological ideas they only differ in believe of their magical entity. People also often forget that the people who generally abuse women and run whore houses are women, they are called madams.

So yes everyone can be a bigot. Only for optics is his cabinet diverse, greed is and always will be a trait present in every human being.

[Slant]

I mean... I have to applaud you, United Kingdom. You really keep finding new things...

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-07-26/...0JOtzDIOiNd94M

The new Leader of the House of Commons Jacob Rees-Mogg has instructed all staff in his new office to use imperial measurements and refer to ‘non-titled males’ as ‘esquire’.

Issuing a style guide in the first week of his job, he also bans colleagues from using various words in correspondence with other MPs and the public.

Among the list of bizarre rules, he asks staff not to use the words “got”, “very” or “equal”.

I mean, really. This isn't me nation bashing, I am beginning to admire the process back to the middle ages. You can't say Brexit isn't consistent.

[Locklen]

I mean... I have to applaud you, United Kingdom. You really keep finding new things...

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-07-26/...0JOtzDIOiNd94M





I mean, really. This isn't me nation bashing, I am beginning to admire the process back to the middle ages. You can't say Brexit isn't consistent.

At this rate maybe US wont be the last western nation to use metric .