The EU have laid their terms officially not unnamed sources, you think they are lying?
No-deal Brexit 'means hard border' - European Commission
So it is a dispute between Ireland and the EU then? As from your BBC link... The Irish government has repeated its stance that it will "not accept a hard border on this island".
Nothing to do with the UK then, its an internal EU dispute, the UK are not building a hard border under any circumstances. Deal or no deal. The obvious solution is the one my "The Sun" link reported today...
13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"
The absence of border suggests there are agreements for free movement of people, services, and goods. How would you control the influx of evil europeans into the UK otherwise? And how do we make sure you're not selling us mad cow and over date stale beer? You could make sure the checks are done at ferries between NI and GB but NI already refused that.
On the other hand, if it comes to no deal, and nothing is agreed that would make border checks go away, the Irish government will do its job and set border checks, but whatever shit happens as a consequence of this will be blamed squarely on the UK, because it couldn't ratify something it spent over 2 years negotiating, mostly because of points it insisting on having. Your cheeto of a PM will have even less success as her predecessor in getting what he really wants.
You want no deal? Fine. But please stop playing Russian troll game and embrace the consequences.The EU set its stance 2 weeks after your referendum and hasn't budged since. You're just moving goal posts for the 1024th time. It's tiring.
Ah, i tried to read The Sun, mr Dribbles but it made my eyes bleed.. its badly put together, bad metaphores, bad sentence building... all geared for the simple-minded people who read it.
You couldn't find a souce?
https://www.euronews.com/2019/07/26/...ant-it-ditched
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So the UK wants to have no power over tariffs at all?
Well, you're going to have a pretty awesome time trying to negotiate trade agreements coming to the table with "we have open borders, yolo".
My point is that marches and demonstrations, sure fair. Do that. But they hardly help unless it also disrupts the economy somehow. So if the pro-EU people really want to make a point their wallets will have to take a hit. Or they have to organize it through their unions for some coverage. I get that some proffessions can't do that, say healthcare services.
But it's a thing I feel hasn't been loud enough the last 30-40 years. We just march and go this is not what we want. We don't show it in ways that hurt us a bit but hurt the other a fuckload (and scare them).
- Lars
A kid grabs a fork and goes to stick it into an electrical socket. One parent see's it and tries to stop them, but the other parent pipes in with "PROJECT FEAR!". Pointing out the likely calamitous consequences is not "project fear". And again, it isn't a falsehood to say that there will be a hard border in Ireland due to no deal, because there will be.
Neither the UK nor Ireland can't commit to it.
The UK needs it to be able to negotiate any trade deals ever and Ireland needs it to keep the common market secured.
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Well no, that wouldn't solve anything unless there are border checks at any port of entry in NI.
Corbyns signalled (again) that he wants to call a vote of no confidence he's "ready to fight Boris Johnson in a general election" (while still sitting on the Brexit fence)
..the fact he doesn't aknowledge the Lib Dems and the Brexit party as groups he needs to fight too just shows how completely out of touch he still is.
The next election is going to come down to a clash between Corbyn and Farages' egos.
If Corbyn were to step aside and let someone new (and possibly vocally pro-remain) into power, Labour could scoop back a lot of the support that's been lost to Greens and Libdems. If the Torie vote stays divided by Brexit party, a rejuvinated Labour would clear up. But Corbyn won't. So the left vote will just get more split and smaller for each party.
On the other hand, does Farage care more about his ego than he does Brexit? Brexit party have proved too popular for their own good. They've split the vote enough that Labour+Libs have won Torie seats. If an election were called with Brexit party they'd risk splitting the vote, having the government entirely dominated by anti-brexit parties and maybe losing Brexit. Whereas if he had the Brexit party publicly endorse Boris entirely for a guaranteed Brexit and stand down it's MPS from the elections, they'd completely DESTROY everyone and could make Labour in its current form extinct.
Who will step down first and do the right thing for their team? Corbyn or Farage?
(either way, I think this election will really show how catastrophically bad the FPTP system is)
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BASIC CAMPFIRE for WARCHIEF UK Prime Minister!
UK rejected the first solution under May. what will BoJo do as soon NI secretary talks about or upon visit to NI by himself the idea is back on the table ?
he would have to throw DUP under a bus (and forget about his new self styled designation "Minister for the Union" ), but it gives a brexit.
BoJo's plan is a hard Brexit he isn't even guaranteeing rights for EU citizens, this shit show is about to go into overdrive. The UK was already in a bad situation now that you have an idiot at the wheels it's going to go catastrophic, pretty good chance he will piss off the EU during negotiations.
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