[EU] Brexit negotiations at a standstill

[Monster Hunter]

Likely true, but I was more thinking of looking weak in terms of negotiations.

don't know if it matters tbh.

economy and trade wise the WTO rules for negotiations means the cards are always shown on the table, politics is usually what gets messy, what can the PM or President get away with in there own government, but that's not a factor in the UK anymore, Bojo has complete control and enough majority that even decent from small parts of is party cant stop him.

they way things stand, bojo doesn't need to face the voters for 3 more years, will be 7 years before there's an opposition party big enough to actually take the conservatives on, doesn't need to appease any opposition, purged his party so doesn't need to appease softer elements of his party, he's been given 100% complete control which means unlike under may and last year he doesn't need to or care to put up an appearance anymore.

Bojo wants no deal really, so he just doesn't care, he dosn't care what the EU thinks or wants or how they see him or what there opinion is, he just dosn't care and is perfectly fine with completely ripping the UK out of the EU whole hog because he knows he's got 7 years between now and when he's seriously going to be challenged by an opposition party to win back public support

[zealo]

Any negotiations still on-going is just for appearances sake, a play for the peanut gallery.

The Brexit train is running full speed ahead and it is not stopping until it hits the hard no-deal station.

[Slant]

Likely true, but I was more thinking of looking weak in terms of negotiations.

You mean weaker than now? Is that even possible? The UK has no hand to bluff with. Heck, they have no cards to begin with. We're back to the "I'll shoot myself" bluff, which - in the history of poker - ranks among the stupidest bluffs of all time, I wager.

[jonnysensible]

You mean weaker than now? Is that even possible? The UK has no hand to bluff with. Heck, they have no cards to begin with. We're back to the "I'll shoot myself" bluff, which - in the history of poker - ranks among the stupidest bluffs of all time, I wager.

one of the funniest things is that they still think no deal is thier weapon.

[Slant]

It is a weapon. It just happens to be something that we're hitting ourselves around the head with, leaving us with severe blunt force trauma.

In my head, it's shaped like a dead fish. And the scene is like one of those Monty Python scenes. I wish someone would just come along, hit BoJo over the head with the fish and be done with this sketch. It's really run its course and then some...

[Blayze]

So much for the promise of high standards, I guess.

It gets worse.

"A proposed new rule by the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) will allow poultry factories to process diseased chickens and sell it for human consumption."

And again.

"Bosses at the Food Standards Agency reviewing the shelf life of beef, lamb and pork are set to give the go-ahead for longer expiry dates before Christmas. Chilled beef, including cuts sold in trays with plastic wrappings, are currently given ten-day use-by labels. But in future, this timeframe is expected to be raised to 21 days in the fridge, with pork and lamb having 15-day and 14-day deadlines respectively."

Between these and the ever-increasing price of medicine and constant privatisation of the NHS, it's a perfect ploy to poison us with the cancerous American meat that's going to flood our market and price out local alternatives; the weak die off, and the survivors need expensive treatment they have to pay through the nose for.

England's fucked.
Thanks, Tory voters.

[dribbles]

It gets worse.

"A proposed new rule by the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) will allow poultry factories to process diseased chickens and sell it for human consumption."

And again.

"Bosses at the Food Standards Agency reviewing the shelf life of beef, lamb and pork are set to give the go-ahead for longer expiry dates before Christmas. Chilled beef, including cuts sold in trays with plastic wrappings, are currently given ten-day use-by labels. But in future, this timeframe is expected to be raised to 21 days in the fridge, with pork and lamb having 15-day and 14-day deadlines respectively."

Between these and the ever-increasing price of medicine and constant privatisation of the NHS, it's a perfect ploy to poison us with the cancerous American meat that's going to flood our market and price out local alternatives; the weak die off, and the survivors need expensive treatment they have to pay through the nose for.

England's fucked.
Thanks, Tory voters.

Will it be as bad as EU approved diseased,pus filled pork and poultry?

Diseased meat is being eaten by consumers in the UK and EU, including pus from abscesses and tuberculosis lesions from pigs’ heads, said the European Working Community for Food Inspection and Consumer Protection (EFWFC) this week.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...inspectors-say

Abscess sausage anyone? Makes US chlorinated chicken sound positively delightful...

[Blayze]

Abscess sausage anyone? Makes US chlorinated chicken sound positively delightful...

Must be doing something better than America, given the following:

While salmonella is estimated to cause 1.2 million illnesses annually, infecting approximately 0.37% of Americans, around 0.4% of the population get sick as a result of campylobacter, with 1.3 million cases estimated each year. However, cases in the UK are much lower.

According to government data, just 0.096% of the population were affected by campylobacter in 2017, with just under 64,000 cases estimated. Meanwhile, instances of salmonella were even less frequent. Just 0.015% of UK citizens were infected in 2017, with 10,089 cases confirmed.

I certainly know I'd rather not have twenty-four times the risk of salmonella that I do now.

[Demolitia]

Will it be as bad as EU approved diseased,pus filled pork and poultry?

Diseased meat is being eaten by consumers in the UK and EU, including pus from abscesses and tuberculosis lesions from pigs’ heads, said the European Working Community for Food Inspection and Consumer Protection (EFWFC) this week.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...inspectors-say

Abscess sausage anyone? Makes US chlorinated chicken sound positively delightful...

So again you have not read the article you linked, from a month ago, half of which says the claim in its own title is questionable. It is an avoidable risk at best. Not something that actually ever happened, or even could. Which is funny coming from the country that proudly brought us the mad cow disease.

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We will likely know more, and it's possible that the talks will continue.

However, johnson had threatened that if there was no deal by mid-October he would walk away.
That was likely a bluff to give the impression of power, but by going back on that self-imposed restriction he will just appear weak.

Well ... Looks like we might get news sooner than that ...
https://twitter.com/BBCkatyaadler/st...40737373519872

[dribbles]

So again you have not read the article you linked, from a month ago, half of which says the claim in its own title is questionable. It is an avoidable risk at best. Not something that actually ever happened, or even could. Which is funny coming from the country that proudly brought us the mad cow disease.

What's the significance of it being a month old? The EU have been insisting for years that its citizens eat pus filled sausages against the wishes of the UK. As an article from 2014 shows...

Abbatoirs in the EU sort through the pigs to find the diseased ones, seperate them out from the good ones which are sent to Asia, and keep the manky ones for their own people.

customers in Asian markets still insist on their pork being checked in the old way,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-27866293

The UK should ban imports of EU food until they raise food standards to match ours. We should be insisting, like Asia, we won't eat abscess sausages. You are welcome to munch on them eurochums, think of it as a EU membership benefit. Enjoy!

[Demolitia]

What's the significance of it being a month old? The EU have been insisting for years that its citizens eat pus filled sausages against the wishes of the UK. As an article from 2014 shows...

Abbatoirs in the EU sort through the pigs to find the diseased ones, seperate them out from the good ones which are sent to Asia, and keep the manky ones for their own people.

customers in Asian markets still insist on their pork being checked in the old way,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-27866293

The UK should ban imports of EU food until they raise food standards to match ours. We should be insisting, like Asia, we won't eat abscess sausages. You are welcome to munch on them eurochums, think of it as a EU membership benefit. Enjoy!

Wow so asian wet markets are the benchmark now? Sweet. Enjoy your pangolin scale tea and bat skewers from January onwards. Or whatever rodent you have in the UK. Don't forget to hang chicken feet above your bed too. They keep evil spirits at bay because your NHS might be struggling a bit with non magic remedy procurement.

[Crispin]

What's the significance of it being a month old? The EU have been insisting for years that its citizens eat pus filled sausages against the wishes of the UK. As an article from 2014 shows...

Abbatoirs in the EU sort through the pigs to find the diseased ones, seperate them out from the good ones which are sent to Asia, and keep the manky ones for their own people.

customers in Asian markets still insist on their pork being checked in the old way,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-27866293

The UK should ban imports of EU food until they raise food standards to match ours. We should be insisting, like Asia, we won't eat abscess sausages. You are welcome to munch on them eurochums, think of it as a EU membership benefit. Enjoy!

You're comparing a questionable report with the US openly lowering standards? Yet you do not see the issue with the comparison?

And again you rather clumsy skip the article, pointing out differences in food poisoning, why relate to facts when you can nitpick right?

[Xarkan]

What's the significance of it being a month old? The EU have been insisting for years that its citizens eat pus filled sausages against the wishes of the UK. As an article from 2014 shows...

Abbatoirs in the EU sort through the pigs to find the diseased ones, seperate them out from the good ones which are sent to Asia, and keep the manky ones for their own people.

customers in Asian markets still insist on their pork being checked in the old way,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-27866293

The UK should ban imports of EU food until they raise food standards to match ours. We should be insisting, like Asia, we won't eat abscess sausages. You are welcome to munch on them eurochums, think of it as a EU membership benefit. Enjoy!

Considering you are talking about something supported by the British FSA i fail to see how you can assume the British will not continue with the rules you claim to oppose..

[Slant]

Will it be as bad as EU approved diseased,pus filled pork and poultry?

Diseased meat is being eaten by consumers in the UK and EU, including pus from abscesses and tuberculosis lesions from pigs’ heads, said the European Working Community for Food Inspection and Consumer Protection (EFWFC) this week.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...inspectors-say

Abscess sausage anyone? Makes US chlorinated chicken sound positively delightful...

Same article:

A spokesperson for the European commission said: “The European Union retains some of the highest food safety standards in the world – this is a key priority. This is why the European Food Safety Authority provides expert scientific advice and recommendations while national authorities are responsible to carry out inspections in accordance with the official controls legislation.

“Any meat with lesions indicating an animal disease such as TB, or abscesses, or any pathological or organoleptic changes, must be considered as unfit for human consumption and not be placed on the market.”

Just saying, stop being dishonest. The EU never approved diseased pork and poultry for human consumption. That's you making shit up, as usual.

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What's the significance of it being a month old? The EU have been insisting for years that its citizens eat pus filled sausages against the wishes of the UK. As an article from 2014 shows...

Abbatoirs in the EU sort through the pigs to find the diseased ones, seperate them out from the good ones which are sent to Asia, and keep the manky ones for their own people.

customers in Asian markets still insist on their pork being checked in the old way,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-27866293

The UK should ban imports of EU food until they raise food standards to match ours. We should be insisting, like Asia, we won't eat abscess sausages. You are welcome to munch on them eurochums, think of it as a EU membership benefit. Enjoy!

First off, the EU didn't "insist for years" that its citizens eat diseased meat. That's you making shit up. Next, the rules the European Food Agency operates with, the rule changes that you are harping on about? They're based on British FSA rules. Again, same article:

The new regulations have been drawn up by the European Food Safety Authority, an agency funded by the EU, but they are based on scientific advice from the FSA.

The FSA's chief operating officer Andrew Rhodes told the BBC it was better to have a hands-off system using visual checks to reduce cross-contamination, because bugs like E. coli and campylobacter are causing scientists more concern.

Which has been mentioned in both articles you linked. If you think you can escape this, think again. Those are your British rules. Thank god we're free of you, we can go ahead and make better rules now while you keep... well, to use your own words: "eating pus filled sausages". Based on the wishes of the UK. Amazing how you completely did not do your research... I would be shocked if this was not so normal for you...

[Omega10]

Same article:

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Thanks for this response. I figured something like this has to be true, but it's good to see it confirmed, and with some supporting details.

[dribbles]

Same article:



Just saying, stop being dishonest. The EU never approved diseased pork and poultry for human consumption. That's you making shit up, as usual.

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First off, the EU didn't "insist for years" that its citizens eat diseased meat. That's you making shit up. Next, the rules the European Food Agency operates with, the rule changes that you are harping on about? They're based on British FSA rules. Again, same article:



Which has been mentioned in both articles you linked. If you think you can escape this, think again. Those are your British rules. Thank god we're free of you, we can go ahead and make better rules now while you keep... well, to use your own words: "eating pus filled sausages". Based on the wishes of the UK. Amazing how you completely did not do your research... I would be shocked if this was not so normal for you...

By not allowing the inspection and dissection of Pig lymph nodes the EU chose to ignore the problem and allow the pus filled nodes to be minced up and enter the EU food chain in pies and sausages unchecked.

This was against the wishes and high standards of UK pork producers and is not and never has been accepted by Asian importers of UK pork who still insist on a manual inspection of pig carcasses.

The British FSA at the time, before we left the EU, was an executive agency and under direct control of the EU in compliance of their low standards and regulations. The UK before Brexit had no authority to vary EU standards upwards as will be the case going forward. Thank God we are now sovereign.

The EU are very happy for their consumers to continue to eat pus filled TB infected pork, the rest of the world are not. Why?

Too busy legislating on the curvature of bananas I expect.

[Felya]

Too busy legislating on the curvature of bananas I expect.

You ignore that the person you responded to, clearly showed you to be misinformed, so you come back with something even more misinformed?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...us-in-cornwall

A Brussels ban on bendy bananas is one of the EU’s most persistent myths.

Bananas have always been classified by quality and size for international trade. Because the standards, set by individual governments and the industry, were confusing, the European Commission was asked to draw up new rules.

Commission regulation 2257/94 decreed that bananas in general should be “free from malformation or abnormal curvature”. Those sold as “extra class” must be perfect, “class 1” can have “slight defects of shape” and “class 2” can have full-scale “defects of shape”.

Nothing is banned under the regulation, which sets grading rules requested by industry to make sure importers – including UK wholesalers and supermarkets – know exactly what they will be getting when they order a box of bananas.

Liars and crooks...

Edit: I don’t post in this thread much, because I don’t know a lot about this. The reason I knew about the bananas thing, is because it’s been all over the “things stupid people say” compilations on YouTube... cringe...

[DingDongKing]

Thanks for this response. I figured something like this has to be true, but it's good to see it confirmed, and with some supporting details.

Pretty much what's up. Honestly though, I just cannot be fucked to dive into this thread anymore. In some ways, pro-Brexit people are even dumber than GOPers in the US. It's not even like the UK Government is pretending to back the average person. At least Trump is lying about giving a shit. One thing they all have in common though is the whataboutism. 'You dare criticise our dipshit Government, well what about EU nergleferglenergle?' It's a fucking shame that we have to share the UK with Tories. I'd love for them to Brexit and go make their own separatist nation.

[Slant]

By not allowing the inspection and dissection of Pig lymph nodes the EU chose to ignore the problem and allow the pus filled nodes to be minced up and enter the EU food chain in pies and sausages unchecked.

This was against the wishes and high standards of UK pork producers and is not and never has been accepted by Asian importers of UK pork who still insist on a manual inspection of pig carcasses.

The British FSA at the time, before we left the EU, was an executive agency and under direct control of the EU in compliance of their low standards and regulations. The UK before Brexit had no authority to vary EU standards upwards as will be the case going forward. Thank God we are now sovereign.

The EU are very happy for their consumers to continue to eat pus filled TB infected pork, the rest of the world are not. Why?

Too busy legislating on the curvature of bananas I expect.

https://www.food.gov.uk/about-us/who-we-are

Who we are
We are an independent Government department working across England, Wales and Northern Ireland to protect public health and consumers' wider interests in food. We make sure that food is safe and what it says it is.

If you don't know these things, why do you make this shit up? Haven't you learned that I absolutely love just picking apart anything you say? It's a little hobby of mine. It feeds into me being lazy, too, because it's so goddamn easy to take whatever you say and assume the complete opposite is true. So much so that I went looking for their website knowing with absolute certainty that I would have a contradicting statement to quote within a minute. I mean, this is just sad.

[Slant]

At this point, does anyone really need to ask why? This is all he seemingly has.

LOL, I don't even know why I keep asking that question in almost every post. Part of me is very puzzled and genuinely curious what his motivation is. I can't believe he's actually that stupid. And yet, he keeps on doing this... I just want him exposed, maybe. Brexiteers have long left the building here, he's the only one left... makes me wonder if he's actually a Brexiteer. I remember my first instinct and if you go back I made this accusation very early in the thread, that he's a troll. But he keeps skirting that fine line very delicately. I have some respect for his long con here, that's quite some dedication, but of course he is despicable for actively supporting the killing of people.