13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"
Once again; I'm happy we've avoided no-deal. That is certainly good. But I'm not throwing any street parties until we see what's actually in this deal. How much have we lost by leaving the EU; what have we given up to keep some of the benefits that we had as members. The EU does NOT give things away in negotiations with other countries. I'm going to be very interested in seeing how certain individuals in this thread react in the coming days and weeks when the details of what exists in those 2000 pages starts to be teased out by people with more expertise than me.
My strong suspicion is we'll be seeing a lot of "WTF, why did they agree to that?" posts in the future.
When challenging a Kzin, a simple scream of rage is sufficient. You scream and you leap.
Originally Posted by George CarlinOriginally Posted by Douglas Adams
Farage finishes as he began, with a juvenile war quote. The guys a cunt, and a lazy one at that. If he'd actually done his job as part of the EU, the fishermen he claimed to represent would have been in a much better position to start with.
And I refer you to my previous post; I'd hold your celebrations until you see what we're signing up to. The devil, as they say, is in the detail.
When challenging a Kzin, a simple scream of rage is sufficient. You scream and you leap.
Originally Posted by George CarlinOriginally Posted by Douglas Adams
You're the one claiming they've achieved something good. People are perfectly entitled to ask what you think is so good about the deal, bearing in mind that even broad details seem to be lacking at the moment.
If you want to admit that your congratulations are based on nothing more substantial than how this makes you feel, then go ahead. Then we can stop asking you for details that you clearly don't have.
When challenging a Kzin, a simple scream of rage is sufficient. You scream and you leap.
Originally Posted by George CarlinOriginally Posted by Douglas Adams
As an outsider looking in, I'm just glad it's over. The terms of the deal are set, and everyone can just move on.
It's interesting to see if the UK will consider EU to be someone that they just "had a war with". Does the UK really consider EU some kind of mortal enemy? Apparently there are some in the UK that do, but it seems like it is not in anyone's best interest to continue with this kind of narrative.
I suspect that moving forward, EU and the UK will mostly just not deal with each other so much. EU will do its thing, the UK will do a different thing, and both entities can move on dealing with their current internal issues. Both EU and the UK have a lot on their respective plates.
To people in the UK: Good luck moving foward.
To people in EU: Good luck moving forward.
You both have lots of work to do (just like we do in the US).
I said that people on both sides who had worked on the deal deserved credit. A deal that many said would not be possible in the time frame available and that seems to have satisfied the UK's desires as well as protecting the EU's single market if you feel that is not worth credit then you crack on.
I look forward to any countries leaving the UK as a result of this.
The irony will be hilarious.
https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/en/2020/12/24/it_s-a-deal/ is the link to the English version of the article quoted by @rmfAcc
As the EU likes to do it “you can play along, but we set the rules, deal?” Business in Denmark seems happy, I guess that says alot.
Also some more info
https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info...d_benefits.pdf
Does the rest of the world even care about this, any longer?
Hell, for that matter... does the EU?
The agreement is over two thousand pages, apparently we are made to believe that brexiteers who have a track record of reading and comprehension issues suddenly manage to digest a technical document of that size. I know it's Christmas and all, but i stopped believing in miracles long ago.
I do get that this is the brexiteers last shot, so they are desperate for not getting a no deal and are already spinning this into something positive. Now they can do that so long they are out and we can grown a stronger union with one less political obstructionist and lack of future vision member, so who cares.
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Ah bless the VRT always good with factual reporting, going over that now. Going to be a hard sell in the UK parliament but it's either stay afloat or sink for them as it stands now.
“My philosophy is: It’s none of my business what people say of me and think of me. I am what I am and I do what I do. I expect nothing and accept everything. And it makes life so much easier.”
― Anthony Hopkins
I am the same tbh. I cannot for my life see how the UK got any kind of deal that is better for the UK than being a full EU member. My prediction is that we kept some things we had while giving away too many rights to retain those things. It's almost like in every kind of negotiation like this, the (much) stronger side always gets what they want. But 2000 pages will be a lot to digest overnight, so expect the fireworks to start after Boxing Day.
Its the only way a single market within the EU can work. Everything coming into the market has to meet EU requirements or else you get individual countries setting rules and exceptions and it all comes crashing down.
It also helps that the EU is a massive market and can make others comply or lose out on some ~450 million consumers.
Same way China and the US can piss on everyone, they are big enough to force others to dance to their tune.
And why the UK leaving is so dumb, because the UK alone can't match the bargaining position of the EU.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Think the most telling thing about Brexit is that in the EU it all went by with not much more than a shrug.