Innovation vs Humaneness ?

[nanook12]

Capitalism favors innovation at the cost of humanity, and socialism favors humanity at the cost of innovation.

Although I am definitely left-wing, I can clearly see that the main reason why the US stays the worlds top super power is because we have such high levels of innovation. Capitalism enables this type of innovation by offering the best possible incentive, massive wealth gains. Our military is so advanced that it laps the field in terms of technological advancements. We have the biggest stick; therefore, we mostly get to make the rules of the world.

However, it accomplishes this at a human cost. Low wages, poor working conditions, class stratification, high rates of imprisonment.

Socialism is the opposite of capitalism. It favors humanity at the cost of innovation. However, by having such low levels of innovation it cripples its ability create new technology and export goods in the global market. It a also hampers its military might which is the crux of how nations define power in our modern world.

I am prepared to let go of position as the worlds top super power in order to obtain more humane treatment of citizens. I do not believe is enslaving myself to a system that treats me badly just so the system as a whole remains top dog.

That is how I feel, but what about you?

[Deleted]

Capitalism favors innovation at the cost of humanity, and socialism favors humanity at the cost of innovation.

Thanks for the laugh. Seen industrial areas in former Soviet countries? Many were wastelands with water, soil contaminated for generations. Compare the treatment of emergency responders and cleanup workers Chernobyl vs Fukushima.

*cue the incoming 'no real socialism' bullshit in 3, 2, 1...

[Deleted]

Innovations are the only true path to welfare and prosperity. Without innovations we would still be cavemen.

That doesn't mean we need to discard "humanity". Innovations are intended to make life easier and more enjoyable.

[nanook12]

Thanks for the laugh. Seen industrial areas in former Soviet countries? Many were wastelands with water, soil contaminated for generations. Compare the treatment of emergency responders and cleanup workers Chernobyl vs Fukushima.

*cue the incoming 'no real socialism' bullshit in 3, 2, 1...

Top 10 happiest countries in the world. Practically all of them are social democracies a.k.a capitalism with heavy socialistic regulation.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/norway-...untry-of-2017/

Try again though.

[Deleted]

Top 10 happiest countries in the world. Practically all of them are social democracies a.k.a capitalism with heavy socialistic regulation.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/norway-...untry-of-2017/

Try again though.

Why not copy the list?

1. Norway
2. Denmark
3. Iceland
4. Switzerland
5. Finland
6. Netherlands
7. Canada
8. New Zealand
9. Australia
10. Sweden
11. Israel
12. Costa Rica
13. Austria
14. United States
15. Ireland
16. Germany
17. Belgium
18. Luxembourg
19. United Kingdom
20. Chile

Apart from in some aspects unreasonably heavy taxation in at least Sweden, Belgium, Germany, all of these countries have a level of 'socialistic regulation' I am perfectly fine with. If you're rallying cry is "Let's become as socialist as Ireland, the UK and the US", you have my unconditional support.

[nanook12]

Innovations are the only true path to welfare and prosperity. Without innovations we would still be cavemen.

That doesn't mean we need to discard "humanity". Innovations are intended to make life easier and more enjoyable.

Innovations are intended to make life easier but they really do just as much harm as they do good. That's the problem. The advent of guns made hunting easier, but also made killing people easier. Cars made transportation easier, but cause millions of deaths each year and are the main contributor to climate change. With the invention of nuclear power came nuclear war.

So no. I disagree with you that innovation makes life easier and better. The only reason we must keep innovating is because we have to eventually make it off this planet before all of its resources are used up at that's it. Innovation is needed for our continued expansion as a species, but it does not make our lives any happier or better.

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Why not copy the list?

1. Norway
2. Denmark
3. Iceland
4. Switzerland
5. Finland
6. Netherlands
7. Canada
8. New Zealand
9. Australia
10. Sweden
11. Israel
12. Costa Rica
13. Austria
14. United States
15. Ireland
16. Germany
17. Belgium
18. Luxembourg
19. United Kingdom
20. Chile

Apart from in some aspects unreasonably heavy taxation in at least Sweden, Belgium, Germany, all of these countries have a level of 'socialistic regulation' I am perfectly fine with. If you're rallying cry is "Let's become as socialist as Ireland, the UK and the US", you have my unconditional support.

I am in favor of much heavier taxation in the west. Under a single payer healthcare program the people would pay less through taxation for healthcare than they would for private healthcare.

[PosPosPos]

Why not copy the list?

1. Norway
2. Denmark
3. Iceland
4. Switzerland
5. Finland
6. Netherlands
7. Canada
8. New Zealand
9. Australia
10. Sweden
11. Israel
12. Costa Rica
13. Austria
14. United States
15. Ireland
16. Germany
17. Belgium
18. Luxembourg
19. United Kingdom
20. Chile

Apart from in some aspects unreasonably heavy taxation in at least Sweden, Belgium, Germany, all of these countries have a level of 'socialistic regulation' I am perfectly fine with. If you're rallying cry is "Let's become as socialist as Ireland, the UK and the US", you have my unconditional support.

Is this the usual alt-right argument of "hey the US is slightly better than x developing country, so it must be doing something right"?

Because last I checked, according to non-alternative logic, the supposed overall top nation in the world is only the 14th most happy one is embarrassingly sad.

And on that note of so called "communist hellholes", there are way more "capitalist" nations that are struggling to have less than 90% of the population above the poverty line, like Africa and Philippines. But of course, due to the pathological cognitive dissonance that alt-righters have, they seem to keep forgetting inconvenient facts to their little hivemind agenda.

[Dezerte]

We've got a pretty good balance of capitalism and socialism here.

[Mittens]

The belief that socialism is humane as opposed to capitalism is dumb af and I hope it dies in a fire.