View Poll Results: Is GW2 the best free MMO in the MMO Market?

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  1. #201
    Quote Originally Posted by Jinpachi View Post
    Nobody gives a shit about those other games
    You obviously do, since you bothered to visit subforum of one of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinpachi View Post
    Nobody gives a shit about those other games
    Who is nobody?

    Speak for yourself. Not for others.
    "Enough expository banter! Now we fight like men! And ladies! And ladies who dress like men! For Gilgamesh...it is morphing time!" Gilgamesh. (Final Fantasy 5)
    I refuse to be a slave of fate! I will be the master of my own future! Shir Gold. (Phantasy Star 2)
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  3. #203
    Quote Originally Posted by Rogalicus View Post
    Are you for real? WoW's narrative is the worst among all the current mainstream MMOs.
    Honestly, I don't think any MMO has particularly outstanding narrative, but I still wouldn't say that WoW's is at the bottom of the pile.

    It's not fabulous, sure. And it's largely juvenile with very simplistic, direct handling of most topics. But most games - especially MMOs - are that way.

    In the end I'm sure we all could name many MMOs right off the top of our head that have worse stories or storytelling, though. GW2 especially, if we're really being honest here. Even when the story is ok, the storytelling is often just absolutely abysmal.

  4. #204
    Quote Originally Posted by Bovinity Divinity View Post
    Honestly, I don't think any MMO has particularly outstanding narrative, but I still wouldn't say that WoW's is at the bottom of the pile.

    It's not fabulous, sure. And it's largely juvenile with very simplistic, direct handling of most topics. But most games - especially MMOs - are that way.

    In the end I'm sure we all could name many MMOs right off the top of our head that have worse stories or storytelling, though. GW2 especially, if we're really being honest here. Even when the story is ok, the storytelling is often just absolutely abysmal.
    Presentation in WoW is still very lacking, they are getting better, but too slow. There is mostly no single story that goes through all zones and all expansion, just a number of subplots, most of which are just dropped and you'll be lucky to see them completed several years later. Lore gets retconned around every corner to the point where I just stopped following it, since they'll eventually render all my knowledge useless. Big parts of the story are still told across youtube cinematics, short stories on game site, books, random tweets or quests that get deleted later, it's one big incoherent shitpile.

    GW2 story might not be anyway near stellar, but at least it doesn't take itself too serious, I just watch it as a sitcom about the world on the brink of Apocalypse. Also the amount of fillers is much lower and I like that you can listen to ambient dialogues for small additional details.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bovinity Divinity View Post
    Honestly, I don't think any MMO has particularly outstanding narrative, but I still wouldn't say that WoW's is at the bottom of the pile.

    It's not fabulous, sure. And it's largely juvenile with very simplistic, direct handling of most topics. But most games - especially MMOs - are that way.

    In the end I'm sure we all could name many MMOs right off the top of our head that have worse stories or storytelling, though. GW2 especially, if we're really being honest here. Even when the story is ok, the storytelling is often just absolutely abysmal.
    To be honest the worst story I remember was Wildstars.

    Most of it was boring and just meh.

    GW2 just reuses the same old dragon trope, tries to pretend it's funny sometimes when it's just cringeworthy and has some pisspoor written characters like Taimi.
    "Enough expository banter! Now we fight like men! And ladies! And ladies who dress like men! For Gilgamesh...it is morphing time!" Gilgamesh. (Final Fantasy 5)
    I refuse to be a slave of fate! I will be the master of my own future! Shir Gold. (Phantasy Star 2)
    Being second is to be the first of the ones who lose. Ayrton Senna. (3 times Formula 1 World Champion)

  6. #206
    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    To be honest the worst story I remember was Wildstars.
    Do I even remember...what the...hmm...

    You know, I don't. I played that game at release, leveled several characters to max, did pretty much all the content and for the goddamn life of me I can't recall the overarching storyline.

    I know there was a faction that was "The Evil Empire" and the other faction was "The Scrappy Rebels" or whatever, but...that's it? Dang.

  7. #207
    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    and has some pisspoor written characters like Taimi.
    YOU STAY AWAY FROM TAIMI. She's the best.

  8. #208
    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    To be honest the worst story I remember was Wildstars.
    I didn't get far into it, so can't say, but don't remember much originality to what I did see.

    GW2 just reuses the same old dragon trope, tries to pretend it's funny sometimes when it's just cringeworthy and has some pisspoor written characters like Taimi.
    I know folks didn't like the Original Story's method of scenic dialogue (and it had it's bad moments), but it did have some really nicely woven plot lines and characters. Maybe not up to SW:TOR, but it wasn't bad. WoW's leveling story was much more disjointed.

    WoW's expansion storylines were pendulums really, good and bad swinging all over the place. The core story for GW2's expansions were good enough, though I still think the mechanics/ boss battles get in the way of telling it. (Fighting in the Mind of Mordremoth was a nice setup, but then you're gliding in updrafts in some tedious game of "the floor is lava" and stuff.)

    Really, WoW and GW2 both suffer from the "I don't want to do that, that is stupid" problem with plots. SW:TOR may get you to the same place in the end, but at least sometimes it lets you say "that's just stupid" or whatever.
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  9. #209
    It's far from free but I would rank it 2nd after WoW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svifnymr View Post
    I didn't get far into it, so can't say, but don't remember much originality to what I did see.



    I know folks didn't like the Original Story's method of scenic dialogue (and it had it's bad moments), but it did have some really nicely woven plot lines and characters. Maybe not up to SW:TOR, but it wasn't bad. WoW's leveling story was much more disjointed.

    WoW's expansion storylines were pendulums really, good and bad swinging all over the place. The core story for GW2's expansions were good enough, though I still think the mechanics/ boss battles get in the way of telling it. (Fighting in the Mind of Mordremoth was a nice setup, but then you're gliding in updrafts in some tedious game of "the floor is lava" and stuff.)

    Really, WoW and GW2 both suffer from the "I don't want to do that, that is stupid" problem with plots. SW:TOR may get you to the same place in the end, but at least sometimes it lets you say "that's just stupid" or whatever.
    I wouldn't mind the story if it didn't try to think it was funny.

    Those "funny" moments just aren't. It's like Destiny 2 in a way where they thought Cayde-6 was a funny character for example. He just wasn't. It was pure cringe.
    "Enough expository banter! Now we fight like men! And ladies! And ladies who dress like men! For Gilgamesh...it is morphing time!" Gilgamesh. (Final Fantasy 5)
    I refuse to be a slave of fate! I will be the master of my own future! Shir Gold. (Phantasy Star 2)
    Being second is to be the first of the ones who lose. Ayrton Senna. (3 times Formula 1 World Champion)

  11. #211
    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    I wouldn't mind the story if it didn't try to think it was funny.

    Those "funny" moments just aren't. It's like Destiny 2 in a way where they thought Cayde-6 was a funny character for example. He just wasn't. It was pure cringe.
    My problem is more the attempts at pathos and emotion. A lot of things assume you're invested in the characters, that you will care that Marjory and Kasmeer get togethor. They assume you care about Eir, or her son, and Eir's death is supposed to be this emotional thing but... meh, who cares? Nobody really liked Trahearne, but I liked all three of the NPCs that die at Claw Island for instance. Many of the other minor characters also had some investment if you were familiar with them. But Braham?

    Granted you can't always predict if the audience will like this one or that one, but RPG's have the issue that the player is central to a lot of things, so don't hinge your entire story on the 'excitement when Caithe shows up!" because most of us don't care.
    "I only feel two things Gary, nothing, and nothingness."

  12. #212
    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    Who is nobody?

    Speak for yourself. Not for others.
    sales numbers confirm nobody gives a shit. and less and less people give a shit about WoW each xpac

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    Been playing a lot of GW2 with my GF recently. I have all the xpacs, and she's a f2p player. We're still enjoying the game a lot, even with the limitations, which is cool. Hopefully it will stay that way.

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