Mega-Thread: Mueller investigation

[Noxx79]

But do you feel the same way about pedophiles?

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Keep waiting, he will be impeached any day now.

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Would be the same number of the other side. Obama had plenty of scandals and mindless sheep still loved him.

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But you would never know because you sure as hell won't see it on the news.

Fox news wouldn't report a high - above 50% approval rating?

[s_bushido]

Fox news wouldn't report a high - above 50% approval rating?

Hey, maybe it's a tacit admission that Fox News isn't actually news.

[Cthulhu 2020]

The mueller charges have 0 to do with Trump, his point was saying this guy has lots of ties by association if you want to prove guilt by such.

I see you haven't even read the charges. Manafort and Papadopoulos both met with Russians and soon thereafter had meetings with Trump, then more meetings with Russians. And then one of them met with Assange, who we now know had meetings with both Assange and the Russians.

Oh wait, you're TECHNICALLY right. The CHARGES have nothing to do with Trump, because Trump wasn't charged with anything. But the dossier and charges basically implicate Trump of at BEST passive complicit cooperation while others who were actively trying to hurt Clinton's campaign and help Trump's along with the Russian's help, and at worst, Trump being the orchestrator.

[Machismo]

You're not voting for either side, so why should they care what you think?

Well, if they want my vote, they should care.

[Felya]

The mueller charges have 0 to do with Trump, his point was saying this guy has lots of ties by association if you want to prove guilt by such.

Trump hired people that were embroiled with Russia. One who pleaded guilty, while providing evidance that he did reach out and actively tried to collide with Russia. You can pretend that it has nothing to do with Trump all you like, but the fact that it at least shows Trump to be too stupid and now too complacent, to see what the people he hired were doing, has a lot to do with Trump.

Oh, that’s right... you think Trump’s record of hiring the most awful choices for his cabinet, was fake news. So, his team being tied to Russia, due to Trump’s idiotic hiring practice, has nothing to do with Trump.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Trump hired people that were embroiled with Russia. One who pleaded guilty, while providing evidance that he did reach out and actively tried to collide with Russia. You can pretend that it has nothing to do with Trump all you like, but the fact that it at least shows Trump to be too stupid and now too complacent, to see what the people he hired were doing, has a lot to do with Trump.

Oh, that’s right... you think Trump’s record of hiring the most awful choices for his cabinet, was fake news. So, his team being tied to Russia, due to Trump’s idiotic hiring practice, has nothing to do with Trump.

Let's not forget everything that has happened since the indictments went out. White house sources (including Kelly, so you know this isn't BS) say that Trump is actively agitated and pissed off about the indictments. He's been doing more of watching Fox News the last two days than he is doing presidential duties.

Why would Trump be so completely and utterly agitated and simultaneously obsessed with following this case if he had nothing to do with it and it was all Clinton?

In ADDITION, Fox News (mostly Hannity) and many house and Senate Republicans called for Mueller to step down, but wouldn't actively fire him. Meanwhile every Democrat is egging this investigation on. The people in Washington aren't stupid. They know who Mueller has been talking to, and we even got glimpses that Trump knew kinda what was going on, but Mueller didn't show his hand. Trump only knew what others told him had been going on with Mueller.

So I also find this "LOL MUELLER IS GOING AFTER CLINTON THROUGH PODESTA" angle complete desparation from the Trumpkins. Trump and his Washington elite followers are shitting their pants. That wouldn't be happening if they knew Mueller was going for Clinton.

[Antiganon]

The funny part about the Clinton/Podesta thing is that when it was first brought up, everyone was like "okay, charge here then if she did something wrong". Not a single person that I remember said anything else.

Almost like people on the left really don't fucking like Hillary Clinton.

Might be because she is a socially-conservative-until-faced-with-overwhelming-pressure, neoliberal corporatist shill, who subverted the Democratic base to achieve her own policy ends, for her entire political career.

But hey, at least she would be a passably competent President. As opposed to the alternative.

[maomoa]

The funny part about the Clinton/Podesta thing is that when it was first brought up, everyone was like "okay, charge here then if she did something wrong". Not a single person that I remember said anything else.

Kind of hard to charge what doesn't exist. I mean how many Republican lead investigations actually turned anything up? You think there's another, sure investigate it, but to use that as a means to try and end Mueller's is ludicrous.

Dems: If there is a crime, charge it.
Reps: There is no crime and we don't care to let the investigation end naturally.

[Antiganon]

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Eh, while I think she is great, the whole is a bit much.

Yeah, I may need to dial it back a bit.

In any case, she's way farther to the right than a Democrat should be in 2017.

[Shadowmelded]

Please, stop. I can't contain my excitement at this level of geopolitical intrigue already.

Also some suggestions that the same bots that were utilized in Brexit are used to promote Trump. Ukip are also surprisingly reluctant to have anyone look at their funding.

[Lenonis]

Would be the same number of the other side. Obama had plenty of scandals and mindless sheep still loved him.

Tribalism exists on the left, sure. No doubt. However (as far as I know) we haven't studied or polled it. But the attempt at false equivalency is extremely weak given that Obama never colluded with a foreign power to gain the presidency. And before you reply that neither did Trump the polling question assumes he actually did.

[Garnier Fructis]

Let us all take a moment to reflect on what made this all possible.

Trump's firing of Comey. This is probably the single greatest act of self-sabotage ever committed by a President.

[Kujako]

Let us all take a moment to reflect on what made this all possible.

Trump's firing of Comey. This is probably the single greatest act of self-sabotage ever committed by a President.

Give Trump time, I'm sure he can top it.

[Paranoid Android]

Let us all take a moment to reflect on what made this all possible.

Trump's firing of Comey. This is probably the single greatest act of self-sabotage ever committed by a President.

Actually no. Trump admitting on TV interview he fired Coney for the Russian investigation.

I'm messing with you of course. Yeah that was obstruction.

[Stormspark]

This is funny. I have the Russian trolls on my ignore list so I'm only seeing one side of the "argument". Not that I would dignify it by calling it an argument because only one side is actually making any points.

[Breccia]

This is funny. I have the Russian trolls on my ignore list so I'm only seeing one side of the "argument". Not that I would dignify it by calling it an argument because only one side is actually making any points.

It's like, have you ever heard the "sales pitch" to join a cult, and think "Man, this is just...crazy. And stupid. And it might kill me. Why would anyone ever fall for this?"

But at least, with a cultist, you know they believe. Not sure if the people here are just trolling or not, but, it's not like knocking "Trump is good, comrade!" comments out of the park is difficult, even if they're satirical.

[Xeones]

Would be the same number of the other side. Obama had plenty of scandals and mindless sheep still loved him.

You're referring to fabrications aren't you?

[Breccia]

Manafort faces 15 years, Gates 12, and Mueller calls them both "serious" flight risks.

Mueller is also an expert in the exceptions to lawyer-client privilege, and has used the "crime-fraud" exception to interrogate their mutual lawyer, and in so doing, caught the pair in a lie about what they did with the Ukrainian government.

For added fun, Manafort at some point hit substantial financial...changes. In Feb 2016, he claimed he was worth $30 million, next month, $3 million. Also he started visiting South America a lot and started using a new cell phone and email alias in that same time frame. So either he lost all his money, or hid it.

So, yeah. Flight risk.

[Poopymonster]

Mental Gymnastics sure are a way to burn calories mate!

I dunno, I've seen some people picking up and moving goalposts like it's a goddamn caber toss.

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I dunno, Mueller's tactics scream Nurgle to me. Damage that spreads and re-rolls 1's? Mueller didn't roll a 1 today, and the panic is amuk.

World Eater Mueller. Butcher's Nals. When Charging each model get an additional attack. Mueller charged today. Plus general CSM special rule....

Death to the False Emperor. Against Imperium if you roll a 6 you make an additional attack.

Mueller charged and rolled well.

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Absolutely... can you honestly say that you wouldn’t have called someone insane, if they told you Trump would win? Simpson’s did it...

Imagine someone in 2006 telling you Eminem and Kid Rock would be arguing via lyrics about President Trump.

[Mormolyce]

They did that with the country. They drew a line in the middle and said below it are slaves and above it is freedom.

As I posted in the other thread mentioning this. Here is the compromise that pretty much triggered the civil war:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Compromise

Not to mention allowing slavery in the first place about a century earlier during the formation of the US, when it was already controversial.