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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    Lol! Really going out on a limb. I think you are a safe winner. But it is possible the Democrats will impeach ( strictly for political reasons ), but it will never be approved by the Senate.
    lol, impeaching a criminal for selling out the country to Russians is political, but stopping that impeachment because that guy has an R by his name isn't.

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    It continues to be amazing how impeachment is appropriate for lying about a blowjob, but not for a criminal president that's compromised by a hostile foreign power. Republicans are betraying this country every single day by letting this continue.

    Maybe enough of them will grow a spine after recent news regarding Trump's finances/taxes/loans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    Putting down 10 to 1 odds that Trump will not be impeached, anyone want to take my offer?
    How about face charges when he leaves office?

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    As soon as Trump loses the protection of the office him and his family are going to be taken down from multiple directions. There's an incredibly high chance that they all spend the rest of their lives in prison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    How about face charges when he leaves office?
    Lol exactly. Trump won't be kicked out by the full impeachment process. The Senate likely will never have the votes. However, Articles will more than likely be drawn up by the Dems, voted upon, and passed. But I'm sure Little Zenny wouldn't count that as "impeachment" in his adorable little bet (a bet he knows he can't lose).

    But face charges after office? Hell yes. He and his family will spend the rest of their lives in court defending their slew of illegal acts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    How about face charges when he leaves office?
    100:1 odds that he wont

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    He and his family will spend the rest of their lives in court defending their slew of illegal acts.
    New York State is out for blood. Trump's lawyers have a stay of execution before their minty-fresh new law lets them hand the documents directly to Congress, who quite frankly, should have had them anyhow. Plus, there are other NYState suits involving everything from his sham charity to Cohen.

    Or, you know, if Deutsche Bank hands them over first, I won't complain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    New York State is out for blood. Trump's lawyers have a stay of execution before their minty-fresh new law lets them hand the documents directly to Congress, who quite frankly, should have had them anyhow. Plus, there are other NYState suits involving everything from his sham charity to Cohen.

    Or, you know, if Deutsche Bank hands them over first, I won't complain.
    Duck and dive, duck and dive. It's all he has now - trying to sue his way out of all his illegal activities. I mean, that stay is based on deciding which judge should hear the suit - NY or DC. Delay and delay.

    The oligarchy co-signers seem like something worth preventing anyone from ever seeing at any cost. Plus, his true wealth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    100:1 odds that he wont
    How do you handle the fact that he's already facing charges right now? Does that in any way affect the reality you've created?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    I mean, that stay is based on deciding which judge should hear the suit - NY or DC. Delay and delay.
    "Delay and delay" is going to be a riskier and riskier topics as his odds of re-election get worse. But that's another thread.

    I'm no expert, but for this to be a federal court issue, Trump somehow has to find the part of the Constitution which prevents a state government from handing over to the federal government when the federal government asks nicely. Because I can promise you there's nothing in NYState law specifically which says "oh shit, you're right, nevermind".

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    100:1 odds that he wont
    I’ll take that bet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    How do you handle the fact that he's already facing charges right now? Does that in any way affect the reality you've created?
    Take the bet! He will give you a 100 for every dollar you bet. I’m taking it!
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    Sounds like Pelosi...because that's all we get from her is delay and delay...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    I’ll take that bet!

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    Take the bet! He will give you a 100 for every dollar you bet. I’m taking it!
    The older Trump gets the more likely he'll die before reaching court.
    However, I'm sure NY really wants first dibs on him. It's like they've received a mission from the gods or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    The older Trump gets the more likely he'll die before reaching court.
    However, I'm sure NY really wants first dibs on him. It's like they've received a mission from the gods or something.
    It’s 100 to 1 odds... the chances he goes to jail after his run, are worth the dollar investment to get 100 back... if he dies first, I lose a buck...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    It’s 100 to 1 odds... the chances he goes to jail after his run, are worth the dollar investment to get 100 back... if he dies first, I lose a buck...
    Jail has nothing to do with it, all you have to see is charges brought against Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Sounds like Pelosi...because that's all we get from her is delay and delay
    Hmm.

    This May article says that the House voted on 51 bills since January. Of them, 49 passed.

    This August article says

    The number of Senate roll call votes on amendments — a key indicator of whether lawmakers are engaged in free and open debate — plummeted to only 18 this year, according to a review of congressional data. During the same time period in the 10 previous Congresses, senators took anywhere from 34 to 231 amendment votes.
    and

    But the Senate’s legislative record on domestic issues has been so thin that a number of Republicans were left grasping for words when asked to name the chamber’s most significant legislative achievement this year.

    “Did we pass the opioid legislation this year, or was that last year?” Senator Shelley Moore Capito, Republican of West Virginia, asked her aide, who informed her that the bipartisan measure to address the opioid epidemic had passed in 2018. Ms. Capito paused, and a long silence ensued.

    “Criminal justice reform!” declared Senator Charles E. Grassley, Republican of Iowa. But the bill overhauling sentencing laws, which Mr. Grassley championed, passed at the end of the last Congress, he was told. Mr. Grassley waved his hand. “Close enough,” he said.

    Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, put it this way: “We’re at a complete standstill on the big stuff.”
    Bolded for emphasis. And this:

    “From health care to gun safety to climate change, Republicans just say no, despite the overwhelming consensus of the American people on these issues,” Mr. Schumer said, adding: “Leader McConnell’s Senate has been a big black hole. There has not been a single bill open for amendment all year. Not. One. Bill.”
    Or, you could go to any of the .gov sites that track things like roll calls. This session, there have been 514 roll calls on any topic at all in the House. The Senate has 262.

    "Both sides do it" and other false equivalencies wither and die in the light of evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    I don't think they have enough Democrats for it to pass the house, I doubt all of them would vote for it which is why they haven't tried it yet.

    Trump impeachment effort once again rejected in House

    The House voted to table Rep. Al Green’s article of impeachment 332 to 95, the third time his effort has gone down in defeat.


    Looks like most Democrats are smart enough to know this is a stupid idea. Unless some smoking gun comes to light, it's not going to happen.
    Oh I agree it would be a lost cause.

    Meanwhile, another example of fake news....https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbc-...-russia-report

    MSNBC host Lawrence O’Donnell admitted he made an “error in judgment” after airing a singled-sourced, unverified report that President Trump had loans co-signed by Russian oligarchs.

    “Last night I made an error in judgment by reporting an item about the president’s finances that didn’t go through our rigorous verification and standards process. I shouldn’t have reported it and I was wrong to discuss it on the air. I will address the issue on my show tonight,” O’Donnell tweeted Wednesday afternoon.

    The liberal host’s mea culpa came just hours after the president’s legal team sent a harshly worded letter to NBC Wednesday demanding an apology and retraction for what it called “false and defamatory, and extremely damaging” comments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    Oh I agree it would be a lost cause.

    Meanwhile, another example of fake news....https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbc-...-russia-report

    MSNBC host Lawrence O’Donnell admitted he made an “error in judgment” after airing a singled-sourced, unverified report that President Trump had loans co-signed by Russian oligarchs.

    “Last night I made an error in judgment by reporting an item about the president’s finances that didn’t go through our rigorous verification and standards process. I shouldn’t have reported it and I was wrong to discuss it on the air. I will address the issue on my show tonight,” O’Donnell tweeted Wednesday afternoon.

    The liberal host’s mea culpa came just hours after the president’s legal team sent a harshly worded letter to NBC Wednesday demanding an apology and retraction for what it called “false and defamatory, and extremely damaging” comments.
    It's not "FAKE NEWS", that meme is so bloody stupid.

    It's poor ethics in reporting, you should always wait for at least two independent sources before reporting something. He didn't, he screwed up, he apologized.

    That doesn't make this "FAKE NEWS". "FAKE NEWS" would be claiming that Puerto Rico received $92B in federal aid. Because it still has not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    It's not "FAKE NEWS"

    It's poor ethics in reporting
    Correct.

    O'Donnell almost certainly told the truth when he said he heard the story. Remember, his job is at stake when he says something he knows it to be false. By contrast, Trump lies in public about everything all the time. He also apologized -- something Trump's only done when he was proven to be a pussy grabbing adulterer -- for saying it, but not for lying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    It's not "FAKE NEWS", that meme is so bloody stupid.

    It's poor ethics in reporting, you should always wait for at least two independent sources before reporting something. He didn't, he screwed up, he apologized.

    That doesn't make this "FAKE NEWS". "FAKE NEWS" would be claiming that Puerto Rico received $92B in federal aid. Because it still has not.
    It was unverified. So not established as true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    It was unverified. So not established as true.
    But also, not "FAKE NEWS" necessarily. If this is what qualifies as "FAKE NEWS" for you, then I surely hope you never take anything Trump says at face-value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    But also, not "FAKE NEWS" necessarily. If this is what qualifies as "FAKE NEWS" for you, then I surely hope you never take anything Trump says at face-value.
    Well, it could be fake. ( probably is )

    Most of it I do. Until proven to be false...or fake.
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