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    Quote Originally Posted by Canpinter View Post
    most lawyers would just quit but they don't have to. as far as legal consequences tho the lawyer would be safe as long as they could prove they didn't know the statement was a lie and had no good reason to think they where lied to, their client may be fucked tho for soliciting a false testimony.
    "Your honor, I did not knowingly lie. My client, who is unable to tell the truth when his presidency depends upon it or pretty much any other time, told me. I had no reason to believe they were telling me a lie me. Other than his lips were moving."
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    Quit using other posters as levels of crazy. That is not ok

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    A) "This is what Trump told me."
    B) "I wasn't told anything about that."
    You forgot C) "I'm just the coffee boy."

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    Mueller subpoena's (former) employee of Cambridge Analytica.

    Hmm. Neat.

    The ex-employee, Brittany Kaiser, is cooperating fully with Mueller's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election, the spokesperson added. Kaiser is also cooperating with congressional and other legal investigations into the actions of Cambridge Analytica.

    Cambridge Analytica shut down last year after becoming embroiled in controversy for improperly obtaining data on tens of millions of Facebook users.

    Kaiser says that the subpoena came after The Guardian reported last year that she met in 2017 with WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange while she was still working for Cambridge Analytica, according to the newspaper. WikiLeaks is a focus of Mueller's probe because it released hacked Democratic emails ahead of the 2016 election.

    The special counsel has also previously probed the ties between Cambridge Analytica and the Trump campaign.

    In a case stemming from Mueller's probe, federal prosecutors have already charged Sam Patten, another former employee of the firm and an ex-associate of Paul Manafort.

    Patten pleaded guilty last year to illegal foreign lobbying after he was charged with failing to register as a foreign agent for Ukraine's Opposition Bloc. Patten, who agreed to cooperate with the special counsel, is scheduled to be sentenced in April.
    "Ukraine's Opposition Bloc" basically means Russians. And, yes, Paul Manafort worked for them.

    We've heard plenty about CA but not recently. Well, with Roger Stone in the crosshairs, this new development is not a massive surprise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Mueller subpoena's (former) employee of Cambridge Analytica.
    Hmm. Neat.
    "Ukraine's Opposition Bloc" basically means Russians. And, yes, Paul Manafort worked for them.
    No matter how often you repeat that, "Ukraine's Opposition Block" doesn't mean "Russians". It's Ukrainians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    No matter how often you repeat that, "Ukraine's Opposition Block" doesn't mean "Russians". It's Ukrainians.
    If they are evacuated in the dead of night, escorted by the Russian military, hiding in Russia, they are pretty much Russians now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    If they are evacuated in the dead of night, escorted by the Russian military, hiding in Russia, they are pretty much Russians now.
    That was "Party of Regions", and just their head, Ukrainian President Yanukovich, not "Opposition Block".

    They share plenty of people between them, but they are not exactly the same.

    "Opposition Block" are those who were not afraid to stay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    When there's multiple nooses around your neck, it's hard to keep track of which one is tightening first.

    The House Oversight Committee is suggesting that one of Trump's lawyers --

    "Cohen?"

    No.

    "Giulliani?"

    No.

    "That guy who looks like Wilford Brimley on the set of Tombstone?"

    Dammit. Sheri Dillon. Apparently, she testified before the OGE with multiple conflicting stories about if/how Trump owed Cohen money. And from the looks of things, some/all of those conflicting stories also conflict with what Cohen is now saying in his plea deal. Dillon even apparently conferred with "the filer" (Trump) before saying no money was owed. Oops.

    We all know what happens when your lawyer lies under oath (or its Congressional equiv). And, if you don't, I'm sure @cubby will give an answer that rhymes with "she's mucked".
    She's definitely plucked. I guess people think they can get away with this shit because so far a lot of them have. Of course, that's all going to change.

    Reminder to everyone - if this whole investigation gets buried by the Trump administration (and his newly minted AG), and the House can't get it subpoenaed, and it isn't leaked by a Mueller staffer, and Pelosi doesn't hire Mueller at the House Special Prosecutor (and ask for any preliminary findings, lol) - then the incoming 2021 president can restart the whole thing and get the unedited report then.

    #TRE45ON

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    An interesting take from this OP ED that I hadn't considered.

    Trump is faced with his own failure after his own failure. By constantly refusing to deliver on his promises -- or worse, for such promises to have the opposite effect -- he's in great danger of losing his base. Coal? Farms? Refunds? Health care? Fucking NAFTA 1.0.0.2 isn't even signed.

    The "national security lol" for the Wall, says the OP EDitor, isn't about the Wall. It's about riling up the base, to get re-elected, so that the statute of limitations runs out while he's still in office.

    This will not be an easy sell. Remember, Trump's rabid fanbase is pretending. They know they backed a lying loser. And they know votes are secret. Remember last election when people were ashamed to admit they voted for Trump? This might very well be the opposite: people claiming to vote for Trump, while silently exacting revenge.

    Unless Trump starts delivering. Hence, "national security lol". Hence, the seemingly irrational, illegal, unConstitutional move purely to keep his base from further eroding.

    - - - Updated - - -

    House investigation forms up with the target being the NRA's ties with Russia.

    Specifically, they want details on how much of the Russian money they got was laundered into with 2016 election.

    The fact that the NRA lied about whether their trip to Russia was official/endorsed isn't helping their case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    An interesting take from this OP ED that I hadn't considered.

    Trump is faced with his own failure after his own failure. By constantly refusing to deliver on his promises -- or worse, for such promises to have the opposite effect -- he's in great danger of losing his base. Coal? Farms? Refunds? Health care? Fucking NAFTA 1.0.0.2 isn't even signed.

    The "national security lol" for the Wall, says the OP EDitor, isn't about the Wall. It's about riling up the base, to get re-elected, so that the statute of limitations runs out while he's still in office.

    This will not be an easy sell. Remember, Trump's rabid fanbase is pretending. They know they backed a lying loser. And they know votes are secret. Remember last election when people were ashamed to admit they voted for Trump? This might very well be the opposite: people claiming to vote for Trump, while silently exacting revenge.

    Unless Trump starts delivering. Hence, "national security lol". Hence, the seemingly irrational, illegal, unConstitutional move purely to keep his base from further eroding.

    - - - Updated - - -

    House investigation forms up with the target being the NRA's ties with Russia.

    Specifically, they want details on how much of the Russian money they got was laundered into with 2016 election.

    The fact that the NRA lied about whether their trip to Russia was official/endorsed isn't helping their case.
    Yeah, we know the NRA is funded and run from Russia and has been for awhile now. It's effectively a Russian money laundering front. This should've been done years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormspark View Post
    It's effectively a Russian money laundering front. This should've been done years ago.
    It's not 100% Russian of course. But the correct amount of Russian money to be put into an American election is $0. The NRA didn't do that.

    Also, we have Butina now. That's kind of a big deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    It's not 100% Russian of course. But the correct amount of Russian money to be put into an American election is $0. The NRA didn't do that.

    Also, we have Butina now. That's kind of a big deal.
    Oh, i checked Google for her next court hearing date (it's Feb 26 btw, just a week later), and found this gem of an article:
    The Spy Who Wasn't
    And this one:
    Let Me Tell You About My Friend Maria Butina — Who Might Be A Russian Spy
    Last edited by Shalcker; 2019-02-18 at 07:23 PM.

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    The New Republic piece is certainly a better one; Refinery29 is just interesting personal "friend" take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    Oh, i checked Google for her next court hearing date (it's Feb 26 btw, just a week later), and found this gem of an article:
    The Spy Who Wasn't
    And this one:
    Let Me Tell You About My Friend Maria Butina — Who Might Be A Russian Spy
    This just in, Russian claims that Russian Spy is not a Spy!

    Reminds me of when Eisenhower claims Francis Gary Powers was a intrepid weatherman. Spoiler alert: He wasn't.

  15. #14995
    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Mueller subpoena's (former) employee of Cambridge Analytica.

    Hmm. Neat.



    "Ukraine's Opposition Bloc" basically means Russians. And, yes, Paul Manafort worked for them.

    We've heard plenty about CA but not recently. Well, with Roger Stone in the crosshairs, this new development is not a massive surprise.
    Speaking of Roger Stone and crosshairs, Roger Stone apparently doesn't understand what a gag order is and posted this instagram post.



    Notice the crosshairs just over her head. I wonder if his bail will be revoked soon...

  16. #14996
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Notice the crosshairs just over her head. I wonder if his bail will be revoked soon...
    Next he'll claim she is biased against him (because of this post).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Speaking of Roger Stone and crosshairs, Roger Stone apparently doesn't understand what a gag order is and posted this instagram post.



    Notice the crosshairs just over her head. I wonder if his bail will be revoked soon...
    Threatening the life of a judge is a federal crime and considered obstruction of justice. If Stone thinks he's going to change who is presiding over him with this bullshit he's in for a quick lesson in judiciary process.

    And if there are charges brought up regarding the threat, every single federal judge will be his enemy. Threatening a judge in a still functional democracy is one of the dumbest things you can do.

    #TRE45ON

  18. #14998
    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Threatening the life of a judge is a federal crime and considered obstruction of justice. If Stone thinks he's going to change who is presiding over him with this bullshit he's in for a quick lesson in judiciary process.
    A death threat from him would make her biased, wouldn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noradin View Post
    A death threat from him would make her biased, wouldn't it?

    He’s going to claim he didn’t notice the crosshairs, but I’m not sure how he could argue this doesn’t violate the gag order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noradin View Post
    A death threat from him would make her biased, wouldn't it?
    That's likely his play. Stone was reported at being terrified of the judge pick residing over his case.

    The problem is that new charges can and will be brought against him for this, his gag order has been violated, and now every judge is going to throw the book at him when they get his case. This was a desperation move of hoping he can delay shit by making sure no judge can be "unbiased" but it's a stupid notion.

    Stone's tactic with everything is attack, attack, attack but it won't work this time.
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    From my perspective it is an uncle who was is a "simple" slat of the earth person, who has religous beliefs I may or may not fully agree with, but who in the end of the day wants to go hope, kiss his wife, and kids, and enjoy their company.
    Connal defending child molestation

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