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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...cy-other-state

    Welp, Manafort now indicted on mortgage fraud, conspiracy, and more in New York.
    How mad do you think he is after being lectured all morning to only get more charges?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Togashii View Post
    So a mannafuck is apex 3.5-4yrs? Sentenced to 2 manafucks? idk but I like it. Whats the conversion to mooches?
    About 756 for 7 odd years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flarelaine View Post
    I first saw the same from Pinochet.
    Hey Hey!
    At least Pinochet had the decency to die in the human rights day!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaelleria View Post
    The new charges might get tossed because of Double Jeopardy
    First of all, it's possible Trump chose SCOTUS views for exactly that, but at time of writing, precedent goes to "no they won't."

    Second of all, that depends what the charges are.

    Charged:

    Residential Mortgage Fraud in the First Degree, a class B felony, 3 counts
    Attempted Residential Mortgage Fraud in the First Degree, a class C felony, 1 count
    Conspiracy in the Fourth Degree, a class E felony, 3 counts
    Falsifying Business Records in the First Degree, a class E felony, 8 counts
    Scheme to Defraud in the First Degree, a class E felony, 1 count
    It's not "double jeopardy" unless they are the same crime. Defrauding NYState was not charged, for example. And it's possible some of these charges weren't brought federally -- or weren't federal forms being falsified. So, even with help, he probably can't escape them all.

    And thirdly, the key word is "conspiracy". The key word is always "conspiracy". This is not over.

    Normally, here's where I'd make some kind of joke, such as a "cover" of Peter Gabriel's Biko as "RICO". But no way am I trampling on a classic of that magnitude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    God, I live NYState so much I should move there. Oh wait. I meant to say, "brb walking 100m down the street to get homemade apple pie".

    EDIT: Hey @cubby can you use federal evidence in state crimes? Asking for a friend. Who's going to jail. With no money. Also he's not my friend.
    Lol. If Manafort thinks he's in hell now, wait until he enters State prison - and even worse, New York State prison. The only thing that might save his is that if Manafort gets assigned to Otis, it's close enough that he won't have to be detained in a NY County prison while he's on trial.

    Manafort's world, if it was possible, just got a whole lot worse. Those state convictions are going to be horrific.

    #TRE45ON

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    First of all, it's possible Trump chose SCOTUS views for exactly that, but at time of writing, precedent goes to "no they won't."

    Second of all, that depends what the charges are.



    It's not "double jeopardy" unless they are the same crime. Defrauding NYState was not charged, for example. And it's possible some of these charges weren't brought federally -- or weren't federal forms being falsified. So, even with help, he probably can't escape them all.

    And thirdly, the key word is "conspiracy". The key word is always "conspiracy". This is not over.

    Normally, here's where I'd make some kind of joke, such as a "cover" of Peter Gabriel's Biko as "RICO". But no way am I trampling on a classic of that magnitude.
    Just repeating what I'm hearing...
    Some of the punditcuters are annoyed that they didn't go through the deconfliction process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    The only thing that might save his is that if Manafort gets assigned to Otis, it's close enough that he won't have to be detained in a NY County prison while he's on trial.
    He could be sent to Dannemora. You know, that one place those 2 dudes escaped from and got like six feet before cops fucking shot one of them in the face and the other got fucking shot in the back running from a second cop through an open field with no cover what an asshole and they made a lackluster miniseries? If they ship him there, I will personally visit his fraudulent ass and mock him to his face.

    No, really. If they let me, I'll video and post it.

    "Why are you -- "

    Because it's the Clinton Correctional Facility. That's too fucking good to pass up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaelleria View Post
    The new charges might get tossed because of Double Jeopardy
    Only if they are specifically linked to the federal charges he was already convicted of or plead guilty to. You can't charge a defendant with state crimes that he was exonerated on in federal court (Pardon's are different, complicated, and uncertain at this point).

    I agree it's a concern, of course, as is all the kitchen-sink-defense moves that Manafort's team uses. I wonder if some point he'll just give up defending himself and accept he'll die in prison and pray for a pardon.

    #TRE45ON

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaelleria View Post
    Just repeating what I'm hearing...
    Some of the punditcuters are annoyed that they didn't go through the deconfliction process.
    Never heard of that, but I'm not a lawyer.

    State charges from NY? Manafort is going to die in prison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Togashii View Post
    So a mannafuck is apex 3.5-4yrs? Sentenced to 2 manafucks? idk but I like it. Whats the conversion to mooches?
    More like 7.5 years

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    Quote Originally Posted by Realitytrembles View Post
    Never heard of that, but I'm not a lawyer.

    State charges from NY? Manafort is going to die in prison.
    I might have the wrong word, but to my understanding it's having all the different jurisdictions work together to get the maximum sentence they can in the least amount of cases they can bring so the defendant isn't in trial forever and the government spends less money.

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    Well if Trump pardons him now he can take a vacation before New York sentences him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaelleria View Post
    I might have the wrong word, but to my understanding it's having all the different jurisdictions work together to get the maximum sentence they can in the least amount of cases they can bring so the defendant isn't in trial forever and the government spends less money.
    And that's a fair question to raise. No, really, that's a completely valid thing to discuss.

    Up until Trump pardons are included in the discussion. Then separating the trials becomes mandatory. There will be no cheating justice today.

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    Apparently Trump's Legal team had a backchannel with Michael Cohen at one point...

    And there are emails. Obstruction anyone?

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/13/polit...llo/index.html

    An attorney who said he was speaking with President Donald Trump's lawyer Rudy Giuliani reassured Michael Cohen in an April 2018 email that Cohen could "sleep well tonight" because he had "friends in high places," according to a copy of an email obtained by CNN.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaelleria quoting some mysterious dude View Post
    "An attorney who said he was speaking"
    Ah, looks like someone was either
    (a) intentionally keeping their legal distance so Trump could say "That could be anyone's lawyer!"
    (b) lying.

    But, yeah, pardon dangling. Not the first time this subject's come up. Doubt it will be the last. How's it going, Stone?

    "Your Honor, I'm sorry I accidentally lied about my book plans. It was just locker-room breaking of a gag order and in no way intended to pollute the jury pool and you should by no means block the sale of my book please please PLEASE don't take my money."

    Not great, I see. Yep, Stone and his lawyers accidentally whoopsie daisy forgot to mention the "imminent release" of the book while the gag order was being negotiated, nor did they make any attempts in any way to delay its release despite being ordered not to talk about the case and the book doing precisely that. Also he forgot to mention that, as soon as the gag order rumors surfaced, Stone immediately emailed his publisher to push the book out the door as quickly as possible, because the gag order was coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Lol. If Manafort thinks he's in hell now, wait until he enters State prison - and even worse, New York State prison. The only thing that might save his is that if Manafort gets assigned to Otis, it's close enough that he won't have to be detained in a NY County prison while he's on trial.

    Manafort's world, if it was possible, just got a whole lot worse. Those state convictions are going to be horrific.
    He’s going to need to basically plea guilty and pray for mercy.

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    Pretty disappointed by the sentencing, but not surprised. Hoping NYState comes down on his ass like a ton of bricks, but they'd better have their case solidly built. I would have rather had a much harsher penalty levied at him given his crimes, particularly because the more time Manafort has to serve, the more money he has to hand over, the more Stone is likely to shit his Depends and start singing like a bird to the feds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    He’s going to need to basically plea guilty and pray for mercy.
    NYState is out for fucking blood. Praying for mercy might have worked twice, but he'd be an idiot to try it again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaelleria View Post
    I might have the wrong word, but to my understanding it's having all the different jurisdictions work together to get the maximum sentence they can in the least amount of cases they can bring so the defendant isn't in trial forever and the government spends less money.
    Yeah this is pretty common. Hits for the major crimes in a joint collab to save time and effort for all parties and reduce legal costs for the government and the person on trial.

    Trump just blew that up with the ability to pardon though so it's no surprise everyone else was gunning for their own pound of flesh and just staggered the charges enough to leave room open (like NY) in case of interference.
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    From my perspective it is an uncle who was is a "simple" slat of the earth person, who has religous beliefs I may or may not fully agree with, but who in the end of the day wants to go hope, kiss his wife, and kids, and enjoy their company.
    Connal defending child molestation

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    Edit: Nevermind.

    Someone got butthurt and reported my signature for speaking the truth. Trying to appeal it now.

    My signature was

    "Bad faith posters that just derail threads, best to just ignore these posters than to feed them:

    Shalcker, Dacien, Sulla, DocSavageFan, Daethz, PrimaryColor, Lockedout, Healing Rain, thewalkingdude( AKA Negan AKA Ned Stark), Maudib"

    And I intend to get it restored if I can.
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