1. #16021
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    I hope they make the whole report public. No indictments could mean Trump did nothing wrong in regards to Russia. It could also mean that Mueller doesn't think he can indict a sitting president.

  2. #16022
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Those are different cases not handled by Mueller. The word is there are no more Mueller indictments, that's it. Nothing about the existing sealed ones. Nothing about the other investigations.
    Who's left to be indicted outside the family at this point ?

  3. #16023
    Quote Originally Posted by Halicia View Post
    Who's left to be indicted outside the family at this point ?
    Plenty of campaign and current WH staff that could be roped in. But we'll know more later, everything right now is going to be conjecture for the most part.

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    I'm ready to be disappointed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    I hope they make the whole report public. No indictments could mean Trump did nothing wrong in regards to Russia. It could also mean that Mueller doesn't think he can indict a sitting president.
    No. Its an important distinction that something can be legal, but still be wrong.

    It may also be that Mueller might be of the opinion that he can indict a sitting President, but that the choice shouldn't be his. My ex-Governor got a similar treatment to a civil crime a year or two back when he got a political opponent fired. The Courts dismissed the case under the excuse that it was "political" so voters could sort it out... even though he couldn't run for re-election regardless, but you know, the Justice system defends the strong from the weak.

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    About to be focused on the hockey game here in DC. I did pick up a 12 pack of popcorn as this should be entertaining no matter how it plays out.

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    Well, that explains the Upper Class Tweet of the Year contest going on.

  8. #16028
    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    I hope they make the whole report public. No indictments could mean Trump did nothing wrong in regards to Russia. It could also mean that Mueller doesn't think he can indict a sitting president.
    Under the SCO / DoJ regulations, he cant indict a sitting President. Under the Ken Starr-era Special Prosecutor, he could, because it was in effect independent from DoJ regulations.

    More broadly than just this case though, the idea a President is immune from prosecution is absurd. One of the foundational principles of our democracy is of equal justice under the law, and that means no man is above the law, even the President.

    This country is terrified of punishing wrongdoing. Not just Presidents, but at any level. We don't fire generals... we let them retire and keep their pension. We don't throw the book at executives, we cut deals. We don't throw racists out of the House, we pass non-binding resolutions that speak in broad terms.

    As I've relayed before, 50 years ago, NASA threatened to ground an Apollo astronaut unless he immediately cut off his extramarital affair. They weren't going to send a guy around the moon who was less than the picture of moral fortitude. They were ready to end is career, because he couldn't keep his dick in his pants.

    Nowdays though? Far from the President... we can't even get Steve King thrown out of Congress.

    Our national corruption is so thick, and our standards so non-existent, all because we've become terrified of consequences.

    Indicting anybody, including the President, should not be beyond thought. Other countries do it. We don't. We cut deals and let people off easy because it'll cause too much ruckus. Well, 40 years of doing that got us Trump.

    Where did it begin? I'd say with Nixon getting Pardoned, sliding into Iran Control not taking down Reagan and actually ruining some lives, followed by Clinton not being forced to resign and then prosecuted for perjury, and then of course, various Iraq War figures not being prosecuted. Also did anyone actually lose their career over 9/11? Did even one guy?

    The rot started at the top. My hope is with Trump, it's a beginning of a reversal of this cancer upon America.

  9. #16029
    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post
    Again, this is a bad reading of the facts. As we don't know what evidence those cases could turn up, any speculation about "more indictments" is very premature.
    Adam Schiff says more Trump-Russia indictments are likely now that Robert Mueller's report is out. So did Richard Blumenthal. The waters of information seems to have been muddied here.

  10. #16030
    Quote Originally Posted by Dome Fossil View Post
    Adam Schiff says more Trump-Russia indictments are likely now that Robert Mueller's report is out. So did Richard Blumenthal. The waters of information seems to have been muddied here.
    Not really. No more indictments from Muellers team for this specific investigation. That doesn't cover investigations elsewhere (Virginia, SDNY etc.) nor does it cover any House/Senate referrals from their investigations that may lead to indictments.

  11. #16031
    Some high profile GOP members are headed for Mar-a-Lago apparently. I dunno if this is going to be some war room shit, or if they're going to put on a dog and pony show claiming Mueller's whole investigation was a witch hunt and Trump is totally cleared.

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    Is there any detail on the closed door Supreme Court session this morning?
    Impeach the MF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Not really. No more indictments from Muellers team for this specific investigation. That doesn't cover investigations elsewhere (Virginia, SDNY etc.) nor does it cover any House/Senate referrals from their investigations that may lead to indictments.
    Yeah, and if you factor in that he may not be willing to indict a president that doesn't mean much with relation to his guilt in any of these matters.

  14. #16034
    Quote Originally Posted by FeedsOnDevTears View Post
    Is there any detail on the closed door Supreme Court session this morning?
    Probably just discussing cases before the court.

  15. #16035
    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    Honestly Costin, you're the dude despite getting nuked from orbit over Trump's relationship with Putin undermining your own nationa,l security on more instances than I can count, you're the fraud who never misses a beat to not look like the guy-who-got-conned the biggest. You were foolish for supporting Trump before. Your justifications were bullshit to even a half-informed person. You're even worse now, because of everything else Russia has done since, and specifically what has NOT happened.

    The problem isn't with those sources "biases". The problem is you fundamentally have no idea what you're talking about and just don't like what they say because they repeatedly do that.

    You have nothing to contribute and are ignored until further notice.
    My country's national security? What do you even know about my country's national security vis-a-vis Russia? This isn't Ukraine we're talking about, not that the experts did that country any favors, what with dismissing Russia's capabilities for years until reality caught up to them in 2014 and 2015.

    But by all means listen and absorb every word of the same people who've gotten it wrong for the last twenty years because they say what you want to hear regarding Trump, I'm sure it will all work out brilliantly.

    Romania's national security is undermined by the fact some in Western Europe don't want us in Schengen for political reasons, that despite what some might say have fuck all to do with our corruption situation and much to do with other affairs. That Russia maintains long range cruise missiles and fighter jets in Crimea, including nukes, that Turkey ( the country that controls access to the Black Sea ) is ruled by a tyrant who has grown fond of throwing political grenades for everyone.

    Compared to that what Trump has said and done is a non-issue. Contrary to what some might think it doesn't matter to us here how well liked he is by those in Berlin or Paris.
    "Life is one long series of problems to solve. The more you solve, the better a man you become.... Tribulations spawn in life and over and over again we must stand our ground and face them."

  16. #16036
    Quote Originally Posted by FeedsOnDevTears View Post
    Is there any detail on the closed door Supreme Court session this morning?
    IIRC, it's related to the "foreign-government-owned mystery corporation" subpoena. We're not likely to find out more than that for months.
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    I do not need to play the role of "holier than thou". I'm above that..

  17. #16037
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Not really. No more indictments from Muellers team for this specific investigation. That doesn't cover investigations elsewhere (Virginia, SDNY etc.) nor does it cover any House/Senate referrals from their investigations that may lead to indictments.
    Ah, right; that I can believe. Just seeing so many deplorables on Twitter already celebrating "no collusion!" that I'm a bit knee-jerky right now, wanting to say that far more heads will roll before this is done.

  18. #16038
    Quote Originally Posted by Dome Fossil View Post
    Ah, right; that I can believe. Just seeing so many deplorables on Twitter already celebrating "no collusion!" that I'm a bit knee-jerky right now, wanting to say that far more heads will roll before this is done.
    Be prepared for weeks (months) of gaslighting from conservatives/Trump supporters. They've been doing it for years already (how many times was the report "imminent" again?) and now that shit has actually hit the fan they're probably kicking panic-mode into overdrive. Now matter how "knee-jerky" you are right now, know that there are a whole lot of Trump defenders that are infinitely more "knee-jerky" than you right now : P

  19. #16039
    Quote Originally Posted by Dome Fossil View Post
    Adam Schiff says more Trump-Russia indictments are likely now that Robert Mueller's report is out. So did Richard Blumenthal. The waters of information seems to have been muddied here.
    Not indictments from Mueller though.

  20. #16040
    Wouldn't it be amazing if the summary conclusion was that Trump obstructed justice and it come out this weekend.

    He may not he able to be indicted, but there's plenty of other things we know happened. The report should fill in the gaps.

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