Mega-Thread: Mueller investigation

[Mullet Man]

Yeah, I guess I can't help myself sometimes. I don't expect this thread is going to stay open much longer, though, if the mods decide to read into the nothing-statement about the report the same way these NPCs are.

#NoCollusion
"The Special Counsel did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple. offers from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign."

#NoObstruction
"Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and I have concluded that the evidence developed during the Special Counsel's investigation is not sufficient to establish that the President committed an obstruction-of-justice offense."

[s_bushido]

The optics of this are going to be so incredibly damaging to the Dems, I don't even know where to begin. And what's worse is that they're probably still going to drag it on instead of just focusing on 2020 but it may not matter anyway. They just handed Trump 4 more years and probably another 4 of Don Jr after that. It's like they can't get out of their own way...

Meaningless concern-trolling duly noted. Thank you for your contribution.

[Edge-]

Problem is this is Barr's spin on the report. Mueller was not consulted about the content of this brief summary.

We still aren't going to know the truth until the full report is released. But yes, Trump and his allies are going to constantly scream that this completely clears him and others despite even Barr saying it doesn't exonerate Trump.

Honestly, I see no reason for Barr to "spin" the report. He and Mueller are apparently good friends, and I can't imagine Barr would misrepresent Mueller's findings publicly.

Hoping we'll see more info regardless though. I'm amazed at all the "coincidences" that don't amount to collusion, but if that's Mueller's conclusion that's his conclusion and I believe it.

[SethRoguen]

The optics of this are going to be so incredibly damaging to the Dems, I don't even know where to begin. And what's worse is that they're probably still going to drag it on instead of just focusing on 2020 but it may not matter anyway. They just handed Trump 4 more years and probably another 4 of Don Jr after that. It's like they can't get out of their own way...

Post something other than amateur fanfiction porn cooked up on stormfront


Yeah people are just going to ignore that pretty much every policy he has tried to shit out has been a colossal failure

[igualitarist]

But but mah collusion

Said the conspiracy theorist, who votes for democrats and watches CNN.

[Somewhatconcerned]

Meaningless concern-trolling duly noted. Thank you for your contribution.

Not trying to troll.

What good will have the Dems made up for with the public ever since the whole deplorables comment?

[Themius]

Why did Manafort give polling data to a Russian oligarch?
There are a host of questions we need answered.

To prove there was no conclusion of course!

[Somewhatconcerned]

Post something other than amateur fanfiction porn cooked up on stormfront

You think that's the outcome I want?

Have we learned nothing from 2016?

Dems keep putting off voters.

[Gaidax]

Seems like this whole noise came up empty. SAD.

[Bullettime]

Honestly, I see no reason for Barr to "spin" the report. He and Mueller are apparently good friends, and I can't imagine Barr would misrepresent Mueller's findings publicly.

Hoping we'll see more info regardless though. I'm amazed at all the "coincidences" that don't amount to collusion, but if that's Mueller's conclusion that's his conclusion and I believe it.

There's something screwy going on it seems though, which is why we need to see the report. Barr not consulting with Mueller over the letter and Nadler's comments calling out inconsistencies are a bit troubling.

We just need the full report to clear it all up. It's just a matter of how and when we get it.

[Ooid]

I noticed you missed the important statistic: The number of people who voted for both.

They posted the right numbers.

On topic: This outcome doesn’t surprise me. It’ll be interesting to see how the democrats try to get Trump on obstruction since the report intimated what seemed to be a case for it.

[Themius]

But but mah collusion

Said the conspiracy theorist, who votes for democrats and watches CNN.

Manafort handing over polling data to Russians though that's totally normal and not worth investigating at all.

[Belize]

Dems keep putting off voters.

They do?

2018 didn't have a historically high turnout of Dem voters?

Oh. Ok. That's some cool revisionist history you got there.

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

No collusion. Don’t even wait for the report.

It really doesn't matter what the report says anymore camps are solidly formed on either side, it will come down to who can shape the narrative better for the middle of the country. We know Trump supporters will stand by him no matter what happens.

The Mueller investigation revealed substantial collusion. The Trump Campaign was up to it's eyeballs in Russian collaboration.

The question is, did it go to the top?

I’m not a Trump Supporter but I told you guys and I’m so happy it’s no collusion. Maybe you can actually now go into danger mode and get a real candidate to fight him if you want to succeed.

[Edge-]

There's something screwy going on it seems though, which is why we need to see the report. Barr not consulting with Mueller over the letter and Nadler's comments calling out inconsistencies are a bit troubling.

We just need the full report to clear it all up. It's just a matter of how and when we get it.

Did Barr need to consult with Mueller? He's providing a summary of the report, I'm unaware of any rules that would require him to do so.

As for Nadler, the House/Senate investigations are going forward separately, and as much as we'd like everyone to be honest and non-partisan we can't deny that there's a distinctly partisan angle to the House investigations. It's nowhere near say, the Benghazi nonsense, but House Democrats are definitely politically posturing with their investigations.

[Bullettime]

Did Barr need to consult with Mueller? He's providing a summary of the report, I'm unaware of any rules that would require him to do so.

As for Nadler, the House/Senate investigations are going forward separately, and as much as we'd like everyone to be honest and non-partisan we can't deny that there's a distinctly partisan angle to the House investigations. It's nowhere near say, the Benghazi nonsense, but House Democrats are definitely politically posturing with their investigations.

He doesn't need to consult with Mueller, no. However, Barr is already surrounded by controversy for his actions, both with Iran Contra on behalf of Republicans, recent comments about the Mueller probe in general, and being put in his seat recently by Trump himself. So to file the letter without consulting Mueller doesn't help any of his credibility as we're left with a summary letter from a guy with no credibility and no sourcing documents available to see how he got to that conclusion.

Basically he doesn't need to but not doing so doesn't lend him any credibility when he needs it. Without the report, we don't know if it's bullshit, small spin, or accurate.

[akris15]

He doesn't need to consult with Mueller, no. However, Barr is already surrounded by controversy for his actions, both with Iran Contra on behalf of Republicans, recent comments about the Mueller probe in general, and being put in his seat recently by Trump himself. So to file the letter without consulting Mueller doesn't help any of his credibility as we're left with a summary letter from a guy with no credibility and no sourcing documents available to see how he got to that conclusion.

Basically he doesn't need to but not doing so doesn't lend him any credibility when he needs it.

Basically we need a debrief in congress between congress, Barr and even Mueller to basically cross the "t" and dot the "i".

[Themius]

I’m not a Trump Supporter but I told you guys and I’m so happy it’s no collusion. Maybe you can actually now go into danger mode and get a real candidate to fight him if you want to succeed.

Are you not at all worried about all the oddities concerning the campaign the meeting with Russian oligarchs the giving of polling data to Russians the hacking by Russians after trump says it and then the use of those hacked emails?

They can't "prove" everything and that's essentially what this is coming down to.

[MSDNC]

I noticed you missed the important statistic: The number of people who voted for both.

Your ststistic is completely irrelevant.

Regardless, 67 million vs 64 million is basically 50%, so HRC got barely more than 50%. If she had gotten 60 or 70% your statistic may have had some relevance. Since that is not the case your point is...pointless.

[Thepersona]

He doesn't need to consult with Mueller, no. However, Barr is already surrounded by controversy for his actions, both with Iran Contra on behalf of Republicans, recent comments about the Mueller probe in general, and being put in his seat recently by Trump himself. So to file the letter without consulting Mueller doesn't help any of his credibility as we're left with a summary letter from a guy with no credibility and no sourcing documents available to see how he got to that conclusion.

Basically he doesn't need to but not doing so doesn't lend him any credibility when he needs it. Without the report, we don't know if it's bullshit, small spin, or accurate.

So umm... This letter could be a lie? I really hope it is not though

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Are you not at all worried about all the oddities concerning the campaign the meeting with Russian oligarchs the giving of polling data to Russians the hacking by Russians after trump says it and then the use of those hacked emails?

They can't "prove" everything and that's essentially what this is coming down to.

Release the full report. Period.